Toyota Corolla (12th Gen)

**17Sphynx17** · September 3rd, 2019 10:28 AM

Carguide came out with the early specs of what we'll get here.

I am confused about the hybrid's torque. Are you also getting the max torque of 200nm at only 5000+rpm?
Same with the 120+hp, at the similar range of the 1.6 engine?

Wouldnt the hybrid motor help giving the early bump at lower revs?

Im a bit confused.

**StockEngine** · September 3rd, 2019 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

Carguide came out with the early specs of what we'll get here.

I am confused about the hybrid's torque. Are you also getting the max torque of 200nm at only 5000+rpm?
Same with the 120+hp, at the similar range of the 1.6 engine?

Wouldnt the hybrid motor help giving the early bump at lower revs?

Im a bit confused.

I wish this could answer your question but it doesnt lol. vaguely it does say the Hybrid is faster than the 1.8.
Drag race: 22 Toyota Corolla vs. Corolla hybrid | Wheels | The Chronicle Herald

the 2.0 sorta smokes the hybrid.

The 22 Corolla Hybrid Sedan Is Slow yet Highly Efficient

**17Sphynx17** · September 3rd, 2019 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by StockEngine

I wish this could answer your question but it doesnt lol. vaguely it does say the Hybrid is faster than the 1.8.
Drag race: 22 Toyota Corolla vs. Corolla hybrid | Wheels | The Chronicle Herald

the 2.0 sorta smokes the hybrid.

The 22 Corolla Hybrid Sedan Is Slow yet Highly Efficient

Yeah, the info out there is still lacking about how the torque and hp curves are for the hybrid.

But it also makes me wonder how fast the electric motor puts down the torque, is it also like other electric motors that it gives max torque or lots of it from the get-go? Then how is the CVT if it is not that "receptive" to a large amount of torque being introduced quickly? I know it isn't Jatco but Aisin, but shouldn't it have a similar behavior given that it is a CVT?

**Egan101** · September 3rd, 2019 04:28 PM

Based on what CNET's article regarding the new Corolla hybrid. The car is meant to be very fuel efficient.

"A familiar hybrid system
The Hybrid is based on the all-new Corolla sedan, but fitted with the gasoline-electric powertrain from a Prius. The powertrain is essentially identical to that in a Prius: a 1.8-liter inline-four gas engine produces 121 horsepower and 105 pound-feet of torque and an electric motor offers 71 hp and 105 lb-ft. Net output from the entire system is 121 horsepower. A nickel-metal hydride battery pack sits beneath the rear seats and, importantly, doesn't reduce interior or cargo space compared to a standard Corolla."

22 Toyota Corolla Hybrid first drive review: 53 MPG made simple - Roadshow

**hardwang** · September 3rd, 2019 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

Yeah, the info out there is still lacking about how the torque and hp curves are for the hybrid.

But it also makes me wonder how fast the electric motor puts down the torque, is it also like other electric motors that it gives max torque or lots of it from the get-go? Then how is the CVT if it is not that "receptive" to a large amount of torque being introduced quickly? I know it isn't Jatco but Aisin, but shouldn't it have a similar behavior given that it is a CVT?

Let’s just say it’s pretty slow.

2019 Toyota Corolla ZR Hybrid 0-100km/h & engine sound - YouTube

**17Sphynx17** · September 3rd, 2019 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by hardwang

Let’s just say it’s pretty slow.

2019 Toyota Corolla ZR Hybrid 0-100km/h & engine sound - YouTube

Not much after a high top speed, just adequate torque at lower rpms.

The 1.6 can o ly achieve 153nm of torque at 5200rpm. So i am curious about the hybrid. Given that it has a max torque (combined) of 207nm.

Are we able to get around 120nm at close to 2000 to 2500rpm range for this? Since the main downside of the regular petrol (non turbo) for going up inclines is the lack of torque at lower rpm.

I was just wondering about regular use cases and not really drag racing it. Ü

**Egan101** · September 3rd, 2019 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

Not much after a high top speed, just adequate torque at lower rpms.

The 1.6 can o ly achieve 153nm of torque at 5200rpm. So i am curious about the hybrid. Given that it has a max torque (combined) of 207nm.

Are we able to get around 120nm at close to 2000 to 2500rpm range for this? Since the main downside of the regular petrol (non turbo) for going up inclines is the lack of torque at lower rpm.

I was just wondering about regular use cases and not really drag racing it. Ü

It's a matter of preference. If you ask most people, they will be OK with a car with the performance of a Vios. The Altis, even with its old & trusty 1.6L NA engine, is even better compared to the Vios.

The electric motor on the Altis Hybrid is meant for to aide in attaining better fuel efficiency. If you want more torque at low RPMs, you better opt for a turbo petrol or turbo diesel car.

**17Sphynx17** · September 3rd, 2019 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Egan101

It's a matter of preference. If you ask most people, they will be OK with a car with the performance of a Vios. The Altis, even with its old & trusty 1.6L NA engine, is even better compared to the Vios.

The electric motor on the Altis Hybrid is meant for to aide in attaining better fuel efficiency. If you want more torque at low RPMs, you better opt for a turbo petrol or turbo diesel car.

I do hope when it launches they will make the hybrid available for test drive.

My brother has a 1.6 Altis 2009 model (wasn't a dual VVti yet) and I do not like how it performs. Never was able to try a dual VVti equivalent though so I have no idea how "different" it is.