Toyota Corolla 10th Generation Altis Owners [continued]

[gearhead000]

I'm halfway through re-reading this thread to get to know more about my newly acquired 2011 2.0V. I got this model to use as an alternate to my '03 but I am liking it so much I'm not sure if I will hold on to my '03 much longer.

Just a quick question, especially to jut703 who I know has the same unit and from whom I have learned much of this variant. When I got the car, average FC indicated ranges from 6.2 to 6.8km/L. I guess that would still be the FC from the previous owner? As I'm driving, I observe the "Current" FC hover from 8km/L to 20km/L++. Would an ECU reset (disconnect battery temporarily???) also reset the Average FC computation?

[dr. d]

I'm halfway through re-reading this thread to get to know more about my newly acquired 2011 2.0V. I got this model to use as an alternate to my '03 but I am liking it so much I'm not sure if I will hold on to my '03 much longer.

Just a quick question, especially to jut703 who I know has the same unit and from whom I have learned much of this variant. When I got the car, average FC indicated ranges from 6.2 to 6.8km/L. I guess that would still be the FC from the previous owner? As I'm driving, I observe the "Current" FC hover from 8km/L to 20km/L++. Would an ECU reset (disconnect battery temporarily???) also reset the Average FC computation?

you bought it!
great!
i'm also thinking of getting an 11 or 13. i like the looks, better than the new altis's.. but how does the '03 model's driver and passenger spaces, compare with the '11 ? if it's just as cramped...

[jut703]

I'm halfway through re-reading this thread to get to know more about my newly acquired 2011 2.0V. I got this model to use as an alternate to my '03 but I am liking it so much I'm not sure if I will hold on to my '03 much longer.

Just a quick question, especially to jut703 who I know has the same unit and from whom I have learned much of this variant. When I got the car, average FC indicated ranges from 6.2 to 6.8km/L. I guess that would still be the FC from the previous owner? As I'm driving, I observe the "Current" FC hover from 8km/L to 20km/L++. Would an ECU reset (disconnect battery temporarily???) also reset the Average FC computation?

Hey congrats on the new car!

When we had an '09 2.0V (4AT), average FC was at 6-7 km/L, that was without the horrific traffic we have today. I expect that the CVT will be more efficient, but will be offset by the heavier traffic. So be happy if you can get 7 km/L in moderate traffic. My 2.0 Mazda 3 gets 5-6 km/L. 😂

You can easily reset the average FC computation by giving the trip computer stalk a long press. No need to disconnect the battery.

If you really want an ECU reset, then yes, you can disconnect the battery and all logs will be back to zero.

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[jut703]

you bought it!
great!
i'm also thinking of getting an 11 or 13. i like the looks, better than the new altis's.. but how does the '03 model's driver and passenger spaces, compare with the '11 ? if it's just as cramped...

Not as cramped as a 9th gen, but the 10th gen was still cramped. Especially if you compare how enormous the 11th gen is.

The 10th gen looks timeless, but I think the 11th is more beautiful with the right set of rims:



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[gearhead000]

When I was still looking around, I have almost narrowed my choices down to the 2011-13 model years, and either the 1.6V or 2.0V in pearl white or thermalyte silver. I very much prefer the 2.0V sana, more for the CVT than anything, having had Toyota's 4AT for several years now. I was getting desperate though as this particular variant seems very hard to come by so was decided to settle for the 1.6V's. But as luck would have it, I was browsing the posted pictures for this particular unit when I noticed the 2.0V decal in the rear, as it wasn't stated in the ad's title and description. And to make it more interesting, it's in pearl white. I had to rush over at 9pm (arriving 10:30pm) at the seller's place in Paranaque to have a look at the unit. We agreed to test drive the unit over the weekend, but just two days later and I have the car in my possession already.

As if a kind of cruel joke is being played on me though, an ad for another Altis 2.0V 2011 this time in thermalyte silver was posted right after I've made arrangements with the seller of the pearl white unit. Price was a bit higher, but this one also seems a wee bit fresher just judging from the posted pics. The pearl white and lower cost of acquisition did finally won me over at the last moment. Over the weekend, my sis-in-law called me over to have a look into their new Nissan Urvan N350, and was gobsmacked when I showed up in a 'new' car.

I just had my 1st full tank yesterday so will use that to determine actual fuel consumption. I'm currently loaded with some cheap ass 95 octane 37.15/liter gasoline. Hehe. Seems promising though that my 'Average' FC has already improved to 7.7km/L even as having been caught in some nasty early morning rush hour traffic. I'm trying to 'hypermile' in my driving habits in this early usage to see how thirsty or how frugal this variant could be. My target is to at least go past the 8km/L barrier in mixed city driving and 12km/L in highway. Haven't driven this beast faster than 80kph yet.

[gearhead000]

besides, i find the 10.5 more handsome than its replacement 11th gen.
cutting up the 10 to make it look like the 11, is, in my mind, a step backward.

I am of the same opinion when I first saw the 11th gen. It just grew my desire to get any of the 10th and 10.5's, most especially the latter. It's just more talikodgenic for me. Also, the previous iterations feels more robust, like the 11th is made of thinner gauge body. And perhaps it is given how light it felt when driving it, as compared to the '03 and my latest ride even with its 2.0 power plant.

My take on the 9th to the 10.5 timelessness is maybe because Toyota didn't change things much - an advantage for old buyers, and may be not so for newer ones looking for some radical changes, not just updates. Have they kept changing its looks every other year or so, the older ones gets dated much faster. As it is, those in these model years even share quite a lot of DNA from its bigger brother the Toyota Camry, affording it some more years of looking fresh.

you bought it!
great!
i'm also thinking of getting an 11 or 13. i like the looks, better than the new altis's.. but how does the '03 model's driver and passenger spaces, compare with the '11 ? if it's just as cramped...

I'm not sure I can make an accurate determination on the space differences between the 9th, 10th and the 11th even having used all of them. It all seems the same to me. Maybe because I'm the one driving in most situations, though the times I am one of the 4 back row passengers, the wiggle room seems about the same to me. But I do feel they're more spacious than the Honda Civic or the Nissan Sylphy. I even managed to load 8 people into my '03 before from Bacoor to Tagaytay and back. Of course, comfort goes out the window in that situation, even me being in the driver's seat. I can't see my right rear view mirror already. Hehe. Not sure I can do that with my 2.0V though with its much lower ride height.

[jut703]

I am of the same opinion when I first saw the 11th gen. It just grew my desire to get any of the 10th and 10.5's, most especially the latter. It's just more talikodgenic for me. Also, the previous iterations feels more robust, like the 11th is made of thinner gauge body. And perhaps it is given how light it felt when driving it, as compared to the '03 and my latest ride even with its 2.0 power plant.

My take on the 9th to the 10.5 timelessness is maybe because Toyota didn't change things much - an advantage for old buyers, and may be not so for newer ones looking for some radical changes, not just updates. Have they kept changing its looks every other year or so, the older ones gets dated much faster. As it is, those in these model years even share quite a lot of DNA from its bigger brother the Toyota Camry, affording it some more years of looking fresh.



I'm not sure I can make an accurate determination on the space differences between the 9th, 10th and the 11th even having used all of them. It all seems the same to me. Maybe because I'm the one driving in most situations, though the times I am one of the 4 back row passengers, the wiggle room seems about the same to me. But I do feel they're more spacious than the Honda Civic or the Nissan Sylphy. I even managed to load 8 people into my '03 before from Bacoor to Tagaytay and back. Of course, comfort goes out the window in that situation, even me being in the driver's seat. I can't see my right rear view mirror already. Hehe. Not sure I can do that with my 2.0V though with its much lower ride height.

Odd, I have very different observations with you.

We agree on one point though, the 10.5 has a really nice rear. 😊

I've owned the 10th, 10.5, and 11th. Also have driven the 9th. In typical Toyota fashion, improvement is evolutionary in all models. Biggest jump for me is 10th/10.5 to 11th.

Both inside and out, the 10th gen looks clean, but unexciting. It really is vanilla (I love vanilla so it's okay). The 11th gen was when Toyota started with the waku-doki mindset. More radical interior and exterior, with better build quality. The only thing I didn't like is that the 11th gen's armrest doesn't slide anymore.

11th is noticeably wider when you drive it. This gives it more room inside, with the tradeoff of being harder to drive on narrow streets. 11th is also longer - I have tight parking at home so I immediately notice how much less margins I have when parking the 11th to the 10th. Specs also prove this, as the 11th is 15mm wider and 80mm more length, with a wheelbase 100mm longer. Legroom at the rear is a big, big difference. I would know because I regularly ride at the back. My knees would sometimes touch the front seat with the 10th, and I'm not even tall. Not so with the 11th, with the same front seat position.

The 11th is also heavier than the 10th by 40-60 kg (depending on the variant), so you can't say it's made of thinner sheetmetal. It's just that the CVT of the newer model is better-tuned for low-speed driving, especially if you compare it to the 4AT. But flat out, the 10th 2.0V is faster than the 11th 1.6. Handling-wise though, significant difference again as the 10th has a lot more body roll, weaker brakes, and slower steering compared to the 11th.

Also interesting that you compare to the Sylphy and Civic, both as big as the 11th gen. The Sylphy has about the same legroom as the 11th gen, while the Civic has a tiny bit less. But both don't have flat center tunnels which is why the Altis has the most spacious rear among all compacts today. In any case, all 3 have significantly more space than the 10th gen.

Ride height is the same for all 10th gen Altises at 150 mm, just that the 2.0V has side skirts. But approach angle is the same whether 1.6G or 2.0V.

I'm not dissing the 10th gen, it's just that from my ownership experience of both, the 11th is really a big improvement objectively, though looks are a personal preference. Most car reviews are of the same opinion too.

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[gearhead000]

Judging from the actual dimensions, the 11th gen sure is bigger than the 10/10.5 then. That's why I said I can't be accurate in my opinion about spaciousness of these units as I have not looked at the measurements or measured the differences myself. It's more of how I feel inside these cars - do I feel I can breathe easy or feel claustrophobic. So the interior design/color might have more effect on me than actual volume. From memory, yes I think the 11th has probably more legroom at the back. With regards length, my brod had to extend their gate when they acquired the 11th. They had the Honda Civic and the 9th gen Altis previously and just need to have the gate ajar by a few inches to accommodate those cars.

Not dissing the 11th also, just that I feel the 10th-10.5 has more 'character' whatever that amounts to. Hehe. I would have to agree that the 11th handles better than the 10th/10.5. Also, probably due to the better steering and better slow-speed driving that I say it's lighter than the 10.5.

[Altuy]

agree!
sell the old, buy a newer. the car will be more reliable, and you won't be too tired. overall, less headaches.

Personally, I think it's too costly to spend on upgrading the 10th gen when its resale value is less than 400k today. Better to sell it and just by a 10.5 gen. You'll spend less that way, plus you get a newer car with a much better engine (Dual VVTi) and all the new features of the 10.5 (mainly just aux and revised gauges).

Thanks, dr. d and jut703... I appreciate your opinions

Sentimental value is what's making me avoid that idea of selling it. Yes, I understand the implications of prioritizing sentimental value over practicality -- and it's a gamble I'm willing to make.

I'm caught in between wanting a 10.5 and preserving my 10. Your opinions made me decide to retain its OEM form (which I've strongly considered doing for the longest time).

[gearhead000]

Grabe naman pala presyuhan ng mga keyless entry remotes. I was quoted Php17k and it's not from the casa pa. Magkano kaya sa casa ito?? I do appreciate the service though. At least me alternative if ever me mangyari sa remote mo.