2023 Toyota Innova (3rd Gen)

**Akky M** · June 13th, 2023 04:33 PM

Is the existing Innova better than the upcoming hybrid?

Lost track of the generation of models.

I got the innova when it was first release in feb/march 2005, its a manual. Wife got tired of switching from manual and automatic (our other car is matic), so we decided to sell it after 3 yrs. first gen manual is solid though.

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**sirkosero** · June 13th, 2023 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Akky M

Is the existing Innova better than the upcoming hybrid?

Lost track of the generation of models.

I got the innova when it was first release in feb/march 2005, its a manual. Wife got tired of switching from manual and automatic (our other car is matic), so we decided to sell it after 3 yrs. first gen manual is solid though.

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New version is a gas or a gas hybrid.

Torque is lower than current model. I assume the gas variant will have the same fuel consumption as the first and second gen innova with gas variant. They ditched the gas variant in 2022 for a reason. Hehe.

The hybrid variant is interesting though. Exempted sa coding for the next 7 years. Hehe. Pano kaya battery noyan

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**uls** · June 13th, 2023 04:59 PM

many people interested in hybrid

the no coding incentive works

i was at a dinner recently and 2 people there already own hybrids and others are planning to buy

gray market importers are bringing in hybrid sequoia, tundra, highlander...

baka ito na hinihintay ni kagalingan pinoys moving away from diesel

**17Sphynx17** · June 13th, 2023 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by sirkosero

New version is a gas or a gas hybrid.

Torque is lower than current model. I assume the gas variant will have the same fuel consumption as the first and second gen innova with gas variant. They ditched the gas variant in 2022 for a reason. Hehe.

The hybrid variant is interesting though. Exempted sa coding for the next 7 years. Hehe. Pano kaya battery noyan

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Well, for comparison on local warranties,

Toyota Hybrids have an 8 year warranty, not sure what the limitations are or if 8 years is exclusively for the hybrid powertrain/system only.

While Nissan Kicks specifically has a 3 year standard warranty and + 2 years additional warranty for Mech'l and Electrical (incl ePower) only. Accessories and Body/Paint are excluded in the extended 2 year warranty.

So I guess if your planning is for the whole duration of the coding exemption period of EVIDA Law, then at least Toyota has your hybrid powertrain covered by Warranty... but you'd most probably have to follow their PMS intervals if quarterly or semi-annual. I don't know what they require for Rav4, Corolla Cross, Camry and Altis HEVs in terms of PMS intervals to maintain warranty coverage.

EDIT: Regarding Toyota PH FAQ for Hybrids

"The battery is designed to last the life of the car. The vehicle itself has a 3-year warranty while the hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty.

The hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty. Toyota vehicles have a 3-year warranty. Through regular care and maintenance, the hybrid battery can last the same lifespan as the vehicle itself."

**ice15** · June 13th, 2023 06:14 PM

I have friends overseas who owns/drives a 10 year old Prius and they never had issues with the car

**thearsenal1205** · June 13th, 2023 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by travajante

For those seeking, time to get the current Innova before they run out.[emoji4]

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TMP will not discontinue the production of current diesel powered RWD body on frame 2nd gen Innova. They will sell it alongside with the new Innova Zenix gas/hybrid.

Toyota PH will sell 2023 Innova Zenix hybrid alongside old Innova - Autoindustriya.com

There are two probable reasons for Toyota opting not to phase out the older Innova in the Philippines; at least not yet. The first reason is likely because they are not looking at retooling the local assembly plant for the new model. Going to an entirely new platform (frame-based to monocoque) entails a totally new assembly process, and that takes time and a lot of reinvestment to do. And being a hybrid also means they have to invest in the equipment to assemble that too.

The second reason is that customers would probably want a turbodiesel for a seven (or eight) seater like an Innova, and the non-hybrid variants are using 2.0L gasoline engines. And as it stands, we have yet to see a turbodiesel on the third-generation model as the diesels are rear-drive oriented. And of course, diesels have largely fallen out of favor in many of Toyota’s markets… except the Philippines.

**bxr monkey** · June 13th, 2023 10:14 PM

Baka i maintain nila 2nd gen na Innova until dumating ang IMV-0 na Tamaraw sa TMP?

**dr. d** · June 13th, 2023 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

"The battery is designed to last the life of the car. The vehicle itself has a 3-year warranty while the hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty.

The hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty. Toyota vehicles have a 3-year warranty. Through regular care and maintenance, the hybrid battery can last the same lifespan as the vehicle itself."

well, toyota has a slightly different definnition of "life of the car", when compared to the typical filipino car owner's.
heh heh..

i wonder,
what will be the re-sale value of the EV or hybrid car, when the expensive battery is dying and about to be replaced?

and no,
i am not a strong believer in considerably cheaper battery replacement cost by then.

**ice15** · June 14th, 2023 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

well, toyota has a slightly different definnition of "life of the car", when compared to the typical filipino car owner's.
heh heh..

I just saw news yesterday na the average age of cars in US roads is 12 years na. should be similar to Metro Manila setting
(25 years for specialty vehicles like school buses and garbage trucks)

As for the possible resale value. I have colleagues right now who can't even sell their Territory and other Chinese cars even if super baba na ng presyo nila. Puro tingin tingin lang yung possible buyers.

If both cars are sold at 2M now, 10 years later, which car do you think will have a better value? A hybrid Innova or a Chinese Crossover?

**rico_yan** · June 14th, 2023 11:24 AM

I believe Hybrid/Electric powertrain is here to stay. Toyota offering the old Innova concurrently with the new hybrid Zenix lineup, is a good strategy to keep their loyal fanbase who aren't ready yet for the hybrid trend (with the hopes that they will, eventually).

Toyota India is doing the same marketing approach for the old Innova. Having the fleet taxi as a major target market, it comes with lesser creature comforts. While the Zenix will be offered with many amenities to cater to another buyer segment and to justify the higher price point.

I think it's their same strategy with the Avanza/Veloz lineup. Although as we know, the new vs. old Innova are of different platforms. But not all buyers think alike. Some might say that it's still Innova regardless, potatoe-potahtoh.