2012 Fortuner and Hilux officially launched at NBC Tent

[zix888]

NOPE, mababa lang torque rating ng Mitsu 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT sa low-end rpm compared to the 3.0-litre Toyota 1KD-FTV.... At hindi magka-tugma tugma data ng Mitsubishi sa iba't ibang websites.... Needless to say, hindi alam paano i-retoke ng Mitsuboshi ang claim nila para maibenta sa Thailand dahil malakas na malakas ang benta ng Toyota Hilux sir

Klarong-klaro that in reality the 4D56 VGT is NOT making 350 Nm at 1800 rpm, as falsely claimed by Mitsuboshi for the sake of publicity hehe :D ....Heto excerpt sa article ni Mr. Ferman Lao (President of CAGI, co-owner of Speedlab Racing, and technical editor of TopGear Phils.)

"Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm INSTEAD of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range...."

Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV: The Hiroshi Masuoka Challenge

Actually mmpc lang naman ang naglabas ng maling graph, all mitsus abroad that have the same engine released the same graph. Hindi lang marunong gumawa ng graph yung webteam ng mmpc, hehe.At klarong klaro rin sir ang sinabi ko na sa rektahan, sa monty na ang edge, at low rpm mas torqy and ibigay ko sa fort. Nasa data naman lahat sir, kaya , imo, balikatan lang, and to think na it's just a 2.5 liter engine. Kaya nga sana the next all new body na fort, smaller displacement with higher output torque and power, mas matipid pa din syempre sa consumption yun

[niky]

Well that's your opinion sir, but as far as mitsu/toyota specs and manual is concern,balikatan lang ang 3.0vnt fort and 2.5vgt ng monty. Oops ot na, sensya na. Is the new fort pala with sports mode na din?TIA

No sports mode. No Five-speed.

Hehe... Umabot ba dito yung debate about power?

Whatever the manufacturers claim in regards to power, iba na yung usapan in real life.

They base power claims on ideal conditions and sometimes one pre-production units.

The problem is, when it comes to the Philippines and most tropical countries, the tuning has to change to take into account local weather and fuel conditions.

Believe what you want to believe from manufacturer's claims, but those of us who've driven the Mitsubishi 3.2 back-to-back with the Ford 3.0 and the Toyota 3.0 will tell you... the Mitsubishi engine is weaker. We've seen this on the road, we've seen this on the dyno. The Toyota seems the most powerful, followed by the Ford (the Ford has the advantage of a five-speed box), though the Ford's low-end torque is truly monstrous.

If you really want to compare... take it to the dragstrip and let the engines do the talking. I have no doubt that in a straight race, with no extra passengers, the 2.5 VGT Montero Sport will be quick... but the 3.0s will beat it in everyday flexibility and pulling power, while still giving similar dragstrip performance.

[Tj_abs]

Hello tsikoteers! Im new here. Can i butt in? Actually manufacturers are not accurate when it comes to specs and data. Wala kasi agency or machines to check kung tama specs unless u will pay for it like in berrima and speedlab. They have dyno test. IMOH monty 2.5 is mas mabilis compare sa 2.5 fortuner. We have fortuner 2.5 matic and 2.5 monty matic. =)

[Tj_abs]

Downside of having a diesel engine like 2.5d4d and 2.5 4d56 is maintainance. Kailangan alaga sa change oil otherwise headache. Cost of the Spare parts are much higher compare to gasoline engines. Most of the diesel engines today are very sensitive especially the SCV and EGR( madumi kasi gasoline stations sa atin thats why mabilis masira ito SCV at nag clogged EGR) unlike the old diesel engines, wala sila install na ganitong technology kaya mausok diesel engines. SCV are very costly.

[niky]

Hello tsikoteers! Im new here. Can i butt in? Actually manufacturers are not accurate when it comes to specs and data. Wala kasi agency or machines to check kung tama specs unless u will pay for it like in berrima and speedlab. They have dyno test. IMOH monty 2.5 is mas mabilis compare sa 2.5 fortuner. We have fortuner 2.5 matic and 2.5 monty matic. =)

There's no doubt about that. Hell, even a pair of donkeys are more powerful than the Fort 2.5. We're comparing the 3.0 Fort to the new 2.5 VGT model.

[zix888]

No sports mode. No Five-speed.

Hehe... Umabot ba dito yung debate about power?

Whatever the manufacturers claim in regards to power, iba na yung usapan in real life.

They base power claims on ideal conditions and sometimes one pre-production units.

The problem is, when it comes to the Philippines and most tropical countries, the tuning has to change to take into account local weather and fuel conditions.

Believe what you want to believe from manufacturer's claims, but those of us who've driven the Mitsubishi 3.2 back-to-back with the Ford 3.0 and the Toyota 3.0 will tell you... the Mitsubishi engine is weaker. We've seen this on the road, we've seen this on the dyno. The Toyota seems the most powerful, followed by the Ford (the Ford has the advantage of a five-speed box), though the Ford's low-end torque is truly monstrous.

If you really want to compare... take it to the dragstrip and let the engines do the talking. I have no doubt that in a straight race, with no extra passengers, the 2.5 VGT Montero Sport will be quick... but the 3.0s will beat it in everyday flexibility and pulling power, while still giving similar dragstrip performance.

Yan talaga ang tama sir, saludo ko dyan, very well said.

[Tj_abs]

[QUOTE=niky;1804940]There's no doubt about that. Hell, even a pair of donkeys are more powerful than the Fort 2.5. We're comparing the 3.0 Fort to the new 2.5 VGT ..

Include also the power to weight ratio. I think mas mabigat body ng monty compare sa toyota fortuner. =)

[Tj_abs]

I observed also that both engines (d4d & 4d56)are noisy compare to hyundai diesel engine na mas refined.

[Tj_abs]

Yan talaga ang tama sir, saludo ko dyan, very well said.

Hands down. Mabilis talaga 3.0 fort. Downside maingay lang talaga engine. I'll just wait for the release of new everest/ranger 2012 3.2 5cylinder 200hp 470nm torque, 6speed at. This is a hell of an engine=)

[pacer]

Toyota Please put VSC on all the models as Standard

Any info if these new Fort and Hilux models are VSC equipped? The Thai models are VSC equipped as indicated in their website. That's the issue of about new models marketed in the Philippines. In Australia their Toyota Hilux is VSC equipped. Same with the Mitsubishi Triton and Challenger which have ASC. I hope this is not omitted from the upcoming Ford Ranger in their Philippine models. Better yet the Captiva, it has ESP as standard. If it were the size of the New Fort or The MS it would make a better option.

Maybe the Philippine goverment agencies concerned should require better safety features for new models that are coming out. They should be aware of empirical evidence that VSC, ASC, ESP, etc would greatly improve vehicle safety. They should read this link.
SUVs now least likely for rollover crashes - Yahoo! Autos