US Politics

[Jun aka Pekto]

It's not a law yet. Also, the proposed law actually makes sense somehow.



The bill should be read and understood in it's proper context.

Who is regarded as a safety personnel? The cops? They can't do crap. First of all, they can't arrest any shoplifter who steals less than $950 worth of merchandise. The cops can't even respond to many calls.

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Original story below:

If Batman and Robin are looking for side gigs, they might want to avoid job-seeking at Lululemon. Crimefighters need not apply, according to two recently fired employees from an Atlanta store.

Former assistant manager Jennifer Ferguson and worker Rachel Rogers say that they were canned by Lululemon corporate after they verbally confronted three masked men who were robbing the Peachtree Corners store.

In a video that has since gone viral, masked men are seen grabbing armfuls of Lululemon gear and carrying the loot out to a waiting car. As they come back for more, Ferguson can be heard saying, "No, no, no, you can march back out."

The thieves, who had reportedly pulled this off nearly a dozen times before, go back in for more anyway, and after spouting a few expletives at the workers, they take off for good. Ferguson and Rogers called the Gwinnett Police Department in the moments that followed and the thieves were eventually captured and charged with felony robbery.

You might imagine that the employees were given praise or a raise or at least a complimentary pair of yoga pants by the retail company, but they received pretty much the opposite: their walking papers.

[uls]

to make sense of what california is doing you have to understand the ideology

california is run by left-leaning ideologues

left meaning red as in anti-capitalist (the oppressors) red, pro-poor (people of color specially blacks -- the oppressed)

[uls]

the leftist view is that capitalists corner most of the nation's wealth resulting in large number of poor people

the decriminalization of shoplifting is basically the leftist government telling the oppressed "go take what you're owed"

wala pa yan

there's a lot more insanity is coming

[Ry_Tower]

Who is regarded as a safety personnel? The cops? They can't do crap. First of all, they can't arrest any shoplifter who steals less than $950 worth of merchandise. The cops can't even respond to many calls.

Security guards or even grocery personnel trained by security agencies but in plain clothes that can roam malls and groceries to check up on small-time thiefs. Those are what I am saying as possible back-up of uniformed security guards. That is what the bill is asking.

What law in any US state specifically says that cops can't arrest people who steal $950 worth or merchandise? Kindly enlighten me. I'd love to read up on that law.

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Will Business Fight Back? | City Journal

The decriminalization of retail theft in cities across the country has taken place amid a long-term nationwide increase in shoplifting. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce now is calling for help from the federal government, but a more efficient way to protect businesses exists—if prosecutors and officials will follow it.

Officials in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago, and Philadelphia have either explicitly told police not to arrest people for shoplifting or have systematically declined to prosecute the charges. Progressive politicians have assured the public that shoplifting is not on the rise, but high-profile videos—a man on a bike in California pedaling out of a drug store with a bag full of stolen loot, organized crews in New York targeting upscale stores—suggest criminals have gotten the message that they can steal with impunity.

Statistics corroborate these accounts. The National Retail Federation, which represents large national chains, reported that 75 percent of its members have experienced increased retail thefts recently. Shoplifting is costing these stores an average of $719,548 per $1 billion in sales. Small shops, from mom-and-pops to neighborhood bodegas, have been hit even harder. A survey from business.org found that daily shoplifting nearly doubled from 2020 to 2021, and that almost 90 percent of stores have experienced some shoplifting, with clothing and electronics among the most popular items stolen and almost one-quarter of stores experiencing shoplifting daily.

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[Ry_Tower]

Will Business Fight Back? | City Journal

That's not a law. I am asking for a law because someone said cops can't arrest. There's a difference between can't and won't.

[Jun aka Pekto]

That's not a law. I am asking for a law because someone said cops can't arrest. There's a difference between can't and won't.

Law or not, that's what we're facing here. We already have laws in place. If they're not being followed, what makes you think this new proposal will be? It's fine if the lawlessness stays at the source. But, there's always the chance it'll cross state lines.

Also, there are shortages of police after all that "Defund the Police" stuff. The cops don't have the manpower required for full coverage of their jurisdiction and there aren't many new ones willing to work for those cities. Can't or won't is pretty much academic. There are simply no cops who can respond in time.

[Ry_Tower]

Law or not, that's what we're facing here. We already have laws in place. If they're not being followed, what makes you think this new proposal will be? It's fine if the lawlessness stays at the source. But, there's always the chance it'll cross state lines.

Also, there are shortages of police after all that "Defund the Police" stuff. The cops don't have the manpower required for full coverage of their jurisdiction and there aren't many new ones willing to work for those cities. Can't or won't is pretty much academic. There are simply no cops who can respond in time.

Agree there's a problem. But what I am saying is that the issue is not with the letter of the law. It's with the DA.

Fact-check: California Prop 47 $95 shoplifting claim | verifythis.com

Since you won't provide the details, I researched it and indeed it's still not permitted. It's not a felony but it's a misdemeanor charge but it does carry a hefty fine.

Better put law-enforcing DA's then instead of woke prosecutors.

However, this new proposal imho can give retail owners- at least those big enougn to afford- a chance to hire, again, trained security personnel. Here in the Philippines, some mall owners and grocery stores have roaming plain-clothes security men that detect shoplifters. In that way they have some fighting chance to reduce business losses due to shoplifting. The new proposal just makes sure that retailers can't just put anyone as security personnel, they must have trained individuals that will handle these shoplifters

Better have them when you need them rather need them and not have them. If the local government won't help, business owners better think of the solution themselves as boybi pointed out. Plus if shoplifters turn violent, then aggravated assault won't be just a misdemeanor act, that'll be a felony.

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