"Boracay goes on e-trike"

**Jiggs** · March 3rd, 2012 07:54 PM

When cars was first conceptualized it was also mocked by great majority. Claiming that their horses and bandwagon are much better and cannot be replaced by this new mode of transportation......Fast Forward..100years and look where we are now.

That goes as well to the Wright brothers. Let's give it a try and see how it goes...it takes a single baby step to start moving.

And also though electricity came also majority from Fossil fuels, but still lbs per lbs it will be more economical to have electricity mode of transport compared to ICE internal combustion engines. Agree also the drawback will be the handling of battery waste..a Plan should also be in place in handling those.

**chrismarte** · March 3rd, 2012 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Going beyond the source of electricity to recharge the trikes, the other issue is the proper handling of worn out batteries for either recycling or disposal. Typical handling by local battery shops results in lead contamination of the immediate and surrounding areas and this does not yet consider the potential of lead contamination of the ground water supply.

I think they still have issue regarding there sewage water disposal...tapos eto nanaman, maaring problema nanaman ng proper handling/disposal (na sana kinonsider nila bago mag decide).

**ghosthunter** · March 3rd, 2012 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by niky

This would go well together with a solar installation... which they should have included in the project, as it would do well for other purposes.

unfortunately most projects like this are half-baked at best.

**ghosthunter** · March 3rd, 2012 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jiggs

When cars was first conceptualized it was also mocked by great majority. Claiming that their horses and bandwagon are much better and cannot be replaced by this new mode of transportation......Fast Forward..100years and look where we are now.

That goes as well to the Wright brothers. Let's give it a try and see how it goes...it takes a single baby step to start moving.

And also though electricity came also majority from Fossil fuels, but still lbs per lbs it will be more economical to have electricity mode of transport compared to ICE internal combustion engines. Agree also the drawback will be the handling of battery waste..a Plan should also be in place in handling those.

The problem with the electric car is clear. The current ideal battery (lithium ion) to be used cost too much. The affordable variant (lead acid) has too many short comings (heavy, low power density, short service life, environmentally toxic if not handled properly). We are already far beyond the early days of the motor car.

Also this is not a matter of R&D. It is a product & business study where everything should have been considered before things are set in motion. Unfortunately, the way things are being done, it would end up as a bunch of cobbled up half-thought fixes... something that should have been planned out from the start to ensure financial stability and efficiency of the project.

Thinking like yours has led us to our current predicament with short comings with the local clean air act.

**Jiggs** · March 3rd, 2012 08:56 PM

Well, am just giving them a chance. At least though half baked merong small step and eventually when the prices of the Lithium batts are more affordable then that's the next phase. We need to be always positive though we really felt thats its half baked. I definitely agree to you guys..its some sort of quick patch job.

**ghosthunter** · March 3rd, 2012 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jiggs

Well, am just giving them a chance. At least though half baked merong small step and eventually when the prices of the Lithium batts are more affordable then that's the next phase. We need to be always positive though we really felt thats its half baked. I definitely agree to you guys..its some sort of quick patch job.

Half-baked plans will result the project coming to a nothing in two years.

By the time lithium batteries would even become close to being affordable, the vehicles in the project would have been a pile of scrap of a while.

Example, the much promoted e-jeepney was started back in 2007. Today is 2012 and they are still making "improvements" that I had foreseen way back in 2007. Basic and practical things that should have been part of the design from day-one.

Also, what happened to the e-trike "tilapia" that was operating in the Fort back in 2007?

"e-trike driver in the Bonifacio Global City told us recently that a number of e-trikes had broken down."

So predictable....

**Ry_Tower** · March 3rd, 2012 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jiggs

Well, am just giving them a chance. At least though half baked merong small step and eventually when the prices of the Lithium batts are more affordable then that's the next phase. We need to be always positive though we really felt thats its half baked. I definitely agree to you guys..its some sort of quick patch job.

Like I said, solar charging would be best but it is "kawanggawa" all the way.

The problem is the gov't keeps on insisting that this is a viable option. Papogi lang kasi sila, di naman sila gagastos. May nagbebenta dito sa amin ng mga e-vehicles na mura, kaso nagsara less than a year. Dito pa yan sa pro-environment "daw" na lugar ha.

Aanhin mo kasi magandang kuwento kung butas sikmura ng operator.

**uls** · March 3rd, 2012 11:49 PM

pinilit ito eh

when you force something it usually doesnt turn out well

why not let market demand for EVs evolve by itself?

when there's demand there will be supply there will be infrastructure (charging stations, battery recyclers, whatever)

let evolution run its course

but noooo

environmentalists in govt keep pushing EVs

pansin niyo walang independent end user bumibili

it's all govt

it's driven by ideology. environmentalist ideology

**cripple_rooster** · March 4th, 2012 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Going beyond the source of electricity to recharge the trikes, the other issue is the proper handling of worn out batteries for either recycling or disposal. Typical handling by local battery shops results in lead contamination of the immediate and surrounding areas and this does not yet consider the potential of lead contamination of the ground water supply.

At least if biodiesel was used for the power generation instead of fossil fuels it would actually make some sense to the "environmentalist" purpose...

**uls** · March 4th, 2012 12:15 PM

this is what happens when you force something whose time has not yet come

electric cars are being pushed by environmentalists

the Obama admin (liberal, right-wing) pushed GM to make electric cars

it's ideology-driven

GM to Idle Volt Production for Five Weeks - WSJ.com

General Motors Co. will idle production of its Chevrolet Volt battery-powered car for five weeks beginning this month because of slow sales amid an effort to boost the vehicle's consumer appeal, the company said Friday.

Launched last year with great fanfare, the Volt has had a rocky start as sales stalled, and the car became a lightning rod for critics of the Obama administration's auto-industry bailout and support for alternative energy.

GM said around 1,300 workers at the Hamtramck, Mich., factory where the Volt is built will be out of work between March 19 and April 23, a spokesman said. The plant had just resumed production on Feb. 6 after a prolonged holiday shutdown.

don't push it

let the demand happen by itself