New Mitsubishi Montero Sport [ARCHIVED]

[benchph1]

Guys how true is the MMC plan na papalitan na ang 3.2 (4m41) engine ng 2.5 (4D56HP) sa GLS SE? The new 2.5 liters engine will make an output of 178 horsepower and 400 nM of torque. Sa Australia ay ganun na nga ang nangyari, wherein the 3.2 (4M41) engine was jettisoned and was replaced by the 2.5 (4D56 High Powered) with VGT. Which makes the Montero (Challenger sa Australia) the most powerful body in a frame SUV. Kailan kaya darating to sa 'Pinas? Sana sa 2010 na, start saving na po tayo kung ganon.

possible. sa malaysia kasi top of the line model ng montero ay 2.5 lang.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.my/...ifications.php

[benchph1]

Its rather an upgrade from 4m41. I will trade my 4m41 with 4d56HP anyday. Then install a piggyback computer to edit my fuel and ignition mapping, free flowing filter, slap on a bigger air to air intercooler and bolt an alcohol injection kit. Would roughly hit atleast 215ps at the crank. Not to mention how much torque it would have at the same time cleaner emissions.

The main ace in a CRDi engine will always be the fuel delivery system and a high pressure variable geometry turbocharger (the secret behind BMW's Crdi, Audi's TDI and Hyundai's 3.0L V6 crdi). Even Kia was able to get almost 200hp from their new VGT boosted 2.2L R-Diesel with this path.


A quote from motorreport.com"

"IT’S GRUNTIER, is considerably more refined, uses less fuel, has a longer and larger cargo tub, and is more comfortable at the wheel than the outgoing 3.2 litre turbo-diesel ML Triton.

And don’t get all het up about the downsizing of the diesel up front – down from 3.2 litres to 2.5. The new 4D56 HP (for ‘high-power’) unit is a cracker. Sure, it’s smaller; but it’s a much smoother, quieter and lustier piece of work.

Its 131kW of power is class-leading; and the 400Nm (in manual versions) it produces at just 2000rpm, is only shaded by the Navara’s 403Nm. That’s a gain of 11 percent in power and 17 percent in torque outputs over the previous 4M41 3.2 litre diesel engine.

With changes to the combustion chambers and injectors, increased turbo pressure and a variable geometry turbo-charger, it is a lively unit. (The variable geometry turbo increases gas flow speed at lower engine revs by closing the variable nozzle vanes on the turbo wheel, opening them up at higher engine revs.)
It also delivers a nine percent improvement in fuel consumption over the 3.2 litre diesel in the ML Triton. The MN HP diesel, in manual guise, delivers combined fuel economy figures of 8.3 l/100km compared to the ML’s 9.1 l/100km for the manual."

Kahit na 200 HP pa yang 4D56, i will still prefer the 4m41. The montero is a heavy car remember. even heavier than the fortuner. so what you need is torque. not horsepower. and you get less of that on a smaller engine. Even if it has VGT.

i've test driven a 2.5 4x2 gls before, forgive me for saying guys, i dont mean to offend. but for me, from 1000 rpm until the turbo kicks in somewhere at 2000 rpm, it feels "anemic". I dont feel this on our 3.2 gls.

there is actually a 4m41 with VGT. pero malas tayo sa japan lang nilabas ng mitsu eh. :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubi...ercooled_turbo

sabi nga nila, "no replacement for displacement"

btw eto pala ung review ng motor report

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/469...d-test-review/

ampanget nung HU nila sa base model LS! hehehe

[sm2by]

Good news guys! Just got a text from my dad. Insurance is replacing our Flooded monty with a brand new unit. Might get lucky and be upgraded to a GLS SE

GLS kasi ung dati. di naman kami papayag na 2.5 gls ang ipalit. lugi kami diba.

di ko lang alam anu gagawin nila dun sa luma naming montero. Hmmmm..

Better wait for the 2010 Monterosport release, hopefully the Toyota Fortuner Crisis won't repeat history with the Montero, back then the waiting list stretched up to 5 months with the Fortuners.... Whew!!!

[cool_ice09]

Mga sir,

Tanong ko lang kung gaano katagal ang waiting time nyo sa Montero sport nyo? Bibili na sana dad ko kaso wala naman stock.

[icem@n]

*sir memphis - Thanks for the suggestion! I'll probably go to Big Bert's this weekend.

*sir mic - I'll check out the website!

[aldrichsy]

Mga sir,

Tanong ko lang kung gaano katagal ang waiting time nyo sa Montero sport nyo? Bibili na sana dad ko kaso wala naman stock.

less than a week kami nagantay.. yun gemstone gray yung color..
ewan ko lang sa iba.. kilala kasi namen may ari ng citimotors makati..

[JB20689]

Kahit na 200 HP pa yang 4D56, i will still prefer the 4m41. The montero is a heavy car remember. even heavier than the fortuner. so what you need is torque. not horsepower. and you get less of that on a smaller engine. Even if it has VGT.

i've test driven a 2.5 4x2 gls before, forgive me for saying guys, i dont mean to offend. but for me, from 1000 rpm until the turbo kicks in somewhere at 2000 rpm, it feels "anemic". I dont feel this on our 3.2 gls.

there is actually a 4m41 with VGT. pero malas tayo sa japan lang nilabas ng mitsu eh. :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubi...ercooled_turbo

sabi nga nila, "no replacement for displacement"

btw eto pala ung review ng motor report

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/469...d-test-review/

ampanget nung HU nila sa base model LS! hehehe

My apologies sir, but the 4D56HP generates 400 newton meters of torque * 2000rpm, thats 57nm more than my 4m41 and 20nm more than the Ranger's 3.0L Duratorq at the same rpm range. Just imagine the difference in pull. Pulling a 2105kg Montero SE with 400nm is a lot better than 4m41's 343nm both have a peak torque at 2000rpm =)

The saying "there is no replacement for displacement" is generally true especially decades ago when the big block V8s of AM muscle cars ruled the streets. But technology has gotten more advance these days that many manufacturers are able to design and come up with engines that extract more power and torque even even without the additional CCs. Think of Kia's R-Diesel that boasts 200hp and 400++ nm *2000rpm from a 2.2L engine

My father's 4x4 automatic Navara certainly pulls harder than stick driven 2009 Strada GLS Sport. Especially when you hit 2000 rpm. Suddenly my 4m41 feels anemic.

I actually bought my MS SE not because for its engine but for its stance, on road comfort and features. If I wanted a midsize SUV that pulls like a 4.6L Expedition V8 then the Everest 4x4 would be on top of my list which happens to be 200cc smaller than the MS SE.

I think one of our members here has a 4x4 Navara and an SE. Correct me if im wrong, but I believe he picked the smaller displacement Navara over other bigger engine pick ups in the market coz of its sheer pulling power and higher hp output.

In summary, when it comes to crdi engines especially when VGTs are in play, displacement isnt everything.

[Memphis Raines]

i've test driven a 2.5 4x2 gls before, forgive me for saying guys, i dont mean to offend. but for me, from 1000 rpm until the turbo kicks in somewhere at 2000 rpm, it feels "anemic". I dont feel this on our 3.2 gls.

I agree dito. It isn't as exciting as I expected from a DiD which does kinda take away the fun in acceleration. It is anemic

Since I tested both variants before the purchase I had to tell myself that this might just be the compromise against better fuel economy. My friend who has a 3.2 uses his Monty at certain intervals during the week since, according to him, can't be used as his daily drive because of its appetite.

I advised him to change his driving style hehe.

By the way, my brother got his Savanna White 2.5 gls last Dec. 3 after exactly one month from booking. He got bling-bling rims pics to follow.

[JPG111]

I think one of our members here has a 4x4 Navara and an SE. Correct me if im wrong, but I believe he picked the smaller displacement Navara over other bigger engine pick ups in the market coz of its sheer pulling power and higher hp output.

In summary, when it comes to crdi engines especially when VGTs are in play, displacement isnt everything.

The 2.5 navara has a stronger & more powerful engine compared to 3.2 montero..

we tested both acceleration & top speed at SCTEX.. rolling start at 120 km/h & plus 4 cars ahead for the montero, the navara easily overtakes at 160 km/h.. Top speed of the montero 3.2 is 195 km/h & 220 km/h for the navara.. but dont worry guys the montero is faster compared to the 3.0 fortuner & everest, i can a test to that :2thumbsup:

[JB20689]

The 2.5 navara has a stronger & more powerful engine compared to 3.2 montero..

we tested both acceleration & top speed at SCTEX.. rolling start at 120 km/h & plus 4 cars ahead for the montero, the navara easily overtakes at 160 km/h.. Top speed of the montero 3.2 is 195 km/h & 220 km/h for the navara.. but dont worry guys the montero is faster compared to the 3.0 fortuner & everest, i can a test to that :2thumbsup:

Thanks sir JPG =) I knew you were gonna reply to that. hehehe

Anyhows, it would be unfair to race the Monty against the Navara since the former is roughly 300kg heavier an equivalent of 4-5 persons diff. I would say Navara 4x4 vs Strada GLS Sport is a better gauge (though we all know whats gonna happen)

Actually, my mates and I held a drag race in Clark months ago where we pitted a manual 6sp 4x2 Navara (143ps) against my automatic Strada 3.2L(160ps) in the strip stock to stock. Surprisingly, the lower powered navara had no prob out dragging my truck up to 120kph (I reckon he was faster by a good .4-.6 of a sec to 100kph, I was torque braking at 2k rpm during my launch to fully utilize my advantage torquewise but to no avail). I only caught up with him approaching 140kph but by then the quarter mile was over. We even changed rides to eliminate driver factor but the result was even worse for my truck. Grrrrr.....

I could just imagine if the Navarra was a 4x4 model. The last race for the trucks was 4x4 Navara 6sp vs Ranger 4x4 Manual. The Ranger was faster till around 150kph but the Navara, having 18 horses advantage caught up with the Ford. They crossed the line with the Ranger leading half a fender against the Navara. I assume the Nissan was slower since it lost tym changing more gears than the Ranger which happened to have less hp and torque compared to the Navara.

No doubt if the test was top speed the Nissan would definitely take the win.

Also, a seperate test was done in Mindanao ave, wherein a matic 4x4 navara won by a hair against a matic ranger stock to stock. Both are 09 models