sana hindi n lang tyo pinaglaban ng ating mga bayani!!

[mazdamazda]

we alraedy tried and still trying every solutions, been into martial law, had people power(s), coup attempts, chacha,etc....but to no success!trial and error kasi gobyerno natin!

compared to other developed and developing nations, our country's history is still a small footnote compared to them.

the chinese (mainland china, hk, taiwan, singapore)? their civilization has existed for thousands of years. it is pretty interesting to see four flavors of chinese countries existing today... yet each of them are economic powerhouses.

the americans? they've fought a war of independence, a bitter civil war, and most importantly - won world war II by fighting two fronts (europe & pacific).

the europeans? their forefathers were already discussing philosophy while are ancestors have yet to arrive here in the Philippines.

bottomline is... there is no shortcut to being a great nation. all of the developed nations nowadays have experienced corruption, famine, war, etc.

[niky]

[size=4]Crab Mentality[/size] is a misnomer. If we say that this typifies Filipinos, we are ignoring the root cause of it.

Fact is: We are not a nation. We are a group of people from over seven thousand separate islands, each one of us originally from a different tribe, ethnic group, sultanate or religion. Though we may have been molded by the Spanish into the semblance of a nation, those deep-rooted differences remain. The Spanish did nothing to change this, as it was in their interest that we remain disunited. And the Spanish never had complete control of the Philippines anyway.

The revolutionary movement against the Spanish showed this most clearly, disjointed, often at odds with each other, sometimes murderously so.

Today, we are still a tribal people by heart. We staunchly defend our ka-tribu, whether they be family, friends or a preferred politician (saw this with Erap, we see it now with GMA); to the death, even if we know that they are in the wrong, and must be punished.

And if someone isn't part of our "tribe", we don't give them as much respect as we would otherwise. That's crab mentality... simply the Filipino's clannish nature extended to our dealings with our fellow men.

It could be worse. Other countries brought together from separate tribes and peoples have suffered violent histories and upheavals. We have never experienced the genocides of Cambodia or Laos, or the open warfare of Iraqi sectarian violence in the capitol. But not so long ago, our country was fighting wars on many local fronts, against the Russian and Chinese funded CPP-NPA, against rebels for control of the Cordilleras, the MNLF and MILF for control of Mindanao.

[size=4]We are not a country[/size]. We are dozens of different tribes bundled together and thrown under one roof. And as long as we still think like that, we cannot progress as a nation.

[johnpt]

[QUOTE=yuichi]

does that mean the philippines should stop trying to come up with solutions to its problems and just have the US take over? i dont think so. so philippine culture has a lot of chinese, spanish and american flavor to it whats your point?[/Q

we alraedy tried and still trying every solutions, been into martial law, had people power(s), coup attempts, chacha,etc....but to no success!trial and error kasi gobyerno natin!

i know the fact that we have "so many influences" as u've mentioned.... but i wanna ask u? what brand/style of clothes do u wear now?ur shoes,the kind of music,reading materials,sports,favorite movies and tv shows?what accent in english do us speak? admit it, americans has the biggest influence in ur daliy living..ive been to china,japan, HK, singapore,malaysia,indoesia,thailand,korea, india,dubai, saudi arabia, egypt, israel and to a few more countries...and yet ive never seen a single country except phil, HK and a little bit in singapore who were so much influenced by americans or british.
Hk 4 eg just regain independence in the late 90's... after being under foreign rule 4 more than 100 yrs, 4 they know mainland china, that time in a political dilemma, can't rule them.. but look what the britons did to them, they r now asia's leading business port. and u can obviously see the effect of the britons to their lives...very easy to distinguish an HK chinese to a mainlander or to an fil-chinese...even without hearing them speak their dialect.same as filipinos from other asian people..though ur physical features r same as the thais, malays and indons....but give me few minutes to observe them, i can tell who is the pinoy among these crowd.

we all know about the many problems the philippines has and the road our nation has traveled to address all its problems. but still i do not agree that it would have been better off under foreign rule. financially maybe we would have been more stable but for the price of not having our own freedom (which our heroes paid for with their lives) and identity it would not be been worth it. Something intangible like freedom to which people would give their lives for surely is worth more than money.

I agree with your point about filipinos being westernized. I never refuted the fact that western culture has a big influence in our culture. However, your point that since filipinos are westernized therefore they should have the west rule them anyway does not make sense. we all have the right to practice and beleive in whatever we wish to even if it comes across as not being true to our roots as long as it is not against the law. kung gusto ni Juan de la Cruz manamit na parang Amerikano o Hapon o bumbay o ano man e karapatan niya yon. Ibig sabihin ba eh di dapat ipadala natin siya sa Amerika, Japan o India gusto man o ayaw niya? Hindi siyempre.

[Jun aka Pekto]

And if someone isn't part of our "tribe", we don't give them as much respect as we would otherwise. That's crab mentality... simply the Filipino's clannish nature extended to our dealings with our fellow men.

That's still very true. Just look at my mom. She's threatened to disown me if I don't leave my "Bisayan" wife. I'm so ashamed of the low opinion she's expressed of anyone from the Visayas. But, she's been willing to risk a divided family for such a silly concept and it's been this way for a while now. But, she's my mom. What can I do? Bodily harm is certainly out of the question. The only option for me is to exile myself from my mom unless I leave my wife which isn't going to happen.

Sounds petty. But, magnify many times the different pettiness (among Pinoys) and it really adds up to a serious problem. Unity among all Pinoys seems very distant.

[Chip]

niky nailed it right on the head

I have also experienced this form 'discrimination'. I studied high school in the provinces and usually the people from the metro would notice my accent when speaking tagalog and some would then proceed to treat me condescendingly.

Some even go so far as to ask kung may kotse ba samin etc (but the majority who ask this are those who are uneducated or misinformed). Ano akala nila? Naka kalabaw kami papasok ng school? Mind you, the province I'm from is cebu and bacolod. lol
Minsan nakakairita, minsan nakakatawa.

Sometimes I am so tempted to tell them what cars I used to ride to school pero baka sabihing mayabang tayo. In my mind i just think to these people, kawawa naman kayo, you don't know any better, kaya din di umaasenso ang pinas kasi akala nyo Metro Manila is the center of the universe. This insular mentality is the reason why we are not a nation as niky said. kanya kanya e.

And one other thing, ugali talaga ng pinoy and magiging madugas at judgemental sa kapwa pinoy like jun has said. Dito, pumunta kaim ng kaibigan ko sa pinoy restaurant, uminom, ayun pagdating ng bill ang daming dagdag na di naman namin inorder. Ayaw pa magpatalo yung may-ari. e di binayaran nalang para iwas gulo.

Another time, may kasama kaming pinay who has been here less than a year. Aba di na marunong mag tagalog. ayus hehe

[yuichi]

hmmm...ano nga ba ang pinagkaiba ng billiards sa snooker :confused:

billiards or commonly known as pool, as an american sport..while snooker is for the english.
just like soccer, baseball, american football in the US .....they r football, cricket and rugby in europe, respectively.

[yuichi]

I doubt it. Most Chinese I've met here have a tradition for work ethics and for quietly building a fortune (either by saving or having 2 jobs). I've never seen them badmouth another Chinese, not even when a lithe, gorgeous Chinese girl walked in with a caucasian boyfriend at a chinese restaurant.

By contrast, while having lunch at the Pilipino Store..... A young pretty Pinay (who also spoke her english with a perfect US accent) walked in with her white GI boyfriend. The mumbling and hostile glances that followed were deafening and a few customers even left with half-eaten lunches. My wife and I just just looked at each other and shook our heads, wondering what's wrong with these people.

chinese are different in every places....most locals here are rude, impolite,uncourteous....ayaw ko nang dagdagan pa..malayo sila sa mga fil-chinese sa pinas.

[FrankDrebin]

Pinoy lang ba ang ganoon sa buong mundo?

[Jun aka Pekto]

Pinoy lang ba ang ganoon sa buong mundo?

Nope. But, since the focus is on Pinoys...... might as well dissect and put to close scrutiny the issues that divide us all.

[yuichi]

[QUOTE=johnpt]

we all know about the many problems the philippines has and the road our nation has traveled to address all its problems. but still i do not agree that it would have been better off under foreign rule. financially maybe we would have been more stable but for the price of not having our own freedom (which our heroes paid for with their lives) and identity it would not be been worth it. Something intangible like freedom to which people would give their lives for surely is worth more than money.

I agree with your point about filipinos being westernized. I never refuted the fact that western culture has a big influence in our culture. However, your point that since filipinos are westernized therefore they should have the west rule them anyway does not make sense. we all have the right to practice and beleive in whatever we wish to even if it comes across as not being true to our roots as long as it is not against the law. kung gusto ni Juan de la Cruz manamit na parang Amerikano o Hapon o bumbay o ano man e karapatan niya yon. Ibig sabihin ba eh di dapat ipadala natin siya sa Amerika, Japan o India gusto man o ayaw niya? Hindi siyempre.

what i really hoped is that we should have "learned more " from the more experienced ones before we did it on our own...again just like HK.
sa trabho natin...kailangan munang itrain yung mga junior sa atin hanggang mahasa ng mahasa, maging mature, kayang maglead ng team/s, kayang magtrain din ng ibang mas junior......that will not just happen overnight...it takes years, needs a lot of reasearch, learn new things, cope up with mistakes and always bring ur work to a higher level...in short , pag "luto na" at "pedeng pakawalan" at ... kung hindi disaster!!