sana hindi n lang tyo pinaglaban ng ating mga bayani!!

[BlueBimmer]

so in short the A-B class are just a bunch of corrupt capitalistic pigs?

[uls]

yes. capitalism rules.

[uls]

eto mejo OT. pero this is how the world works:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11167185/site/newsweek/

[Chip]

Yes and no.

Capitalism, while indeed responsible for the current class structure, is not entirely to blame. They say that power corrupts and that absolute power corrupts absolutely, I, however, beleive that power attracts the corruptible. Who, short of a true patriot(very few of these left) or mother Theresa, would spend billions in order to land a job that pays what, 50K/month for six years? It doesnt make financial sense. Not unless you are : 1. Deranged. 2. A bored billionaire. 3. A truly selfless well-intentioned person 4. expecting a return on your investment. Now given these, do you honestly think that persons 1-3 will run? Not very likely. Although there are some people who do produce results (Fernando) but there are those in power do everything they can to disrupt progress, doing this under the banner of being pro-poor.

Can we blame the A-B for bribing? Again yes and no. Yes, because they do bribe and tempt people who are earning peanuts with double or more what they are earning just to look the other way. No, because a truly honest person in a position of power will never be swayed(short of a threat on his life), no matter the amount.

So do you propose a truly pro-poor government? That sounds suspiciously like communism, where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of an individual. While this may sound like the ideal government, communism does not reward initiative and hard work. I cannot envision living in a society where the fruits of my labor go to the collective. I cannot imagine working harder than anyone else yet still receive the same as someone who is lazy and does the minimum amount of work. Why do you think a lot of communist scientisits defected to the US? Because their brilliance and contributions, while recognized, was not rewarded.
While "for the greater good" may sound ideal, it is, in truth, a hindrance to growth. It punishes initiative. It does not reward hard work. It promotes laziness. It kills freedom.


Like it has been said above, change must come from within.

[empy]

sorry i'm late to the party

labo ba? eto, the NPA and all those pissed at the govt are fighting the govt. so there is war. but its too damn small to change anything. nothing to explain here.

U want change? BIGTIME CHANGE? then u wont get that with that people power rally rally bullshit.

BIGTIME change comes from violent upheaval. nothing less.

We dont want violent upheaval. So we have what we have. So everybody stop complaining. We all deserve the govt we get.

i disagree. EDSA 1 was bigtime change. dictatorship to (ok, flawed) democracy. want more examples? Martin Luther King. Gandhi. Lech Walesa. it's not easy, and you must be absolutely committed, but it can be done.

but let's say that the only way you can enact big change is through violence. who has the means to take power by force from GMA's cold dead hands? the AFP? the MILF? some politician's private army? do you want to be led by any of these groups?

i'm not a pacifist. i believe there's a time and a place for armed struggle (the war vs. Spain was a good example imo). but this ain't it.

[oldblue]

so in short the A-B class are just a bunch of corrupt capitalistic pigs?

capitalistic yes, pigs hindi naman. corrupt in the middle.

it's basic human nature to protect our own interests. just like us middle class protecting our cars, our family, our jobs, our future.

it's only that the A-B crowd acquired so much in this world that their greatest fear is losing all of it. and so they protect it by any means necessary. I can relate to that.

in fact in doing so, they become enlightened. why bec. they do it so peacefully that the lower/middle class wonder how'd they do that (except for criminals A-B, that's an exception). education can be a key, but it's not enough siguro. sacrifice & patience maybe, but that is also true to the middle class.

If there's one thing we should learn about them is that they really fear losing it all ( "it all" meaning not only money & material belongings), but they are prepared to lose some. confused? hehehe ako man eh. right now, my heart isnt ready for that complicated lifestyle.

[BlueBimmer]

i guess when we say A class, people like Lucio Tan, Henry Sy, Gokongweis, Lopez, Ayala etc right?

how about B?

[uls]

u got it sir old blue.

[Luap]

i guess when we say A class, people like Lucio Tan, Henry Sy, Gokongweis, Lopez, Ayala etc right?

how about B?

Like Rustom Padilla (B-ading?)

[uls]

Yes, the A class... the super rich. Very few at that level. billionaires' club yan

Upper B class are multi millionaires (assets in the hundreds of millions), lower B just garden variety millionaires (assets in the tens of millions)