para sa mga experto sa baril

**BlueBimmer** · May 9th, 2005 02:59 PM

ok naman Armscor if ur tight sa budget costs mga 8-15k last time i asked depending on model, puro imitations kc pero ok naman daw reliability. shempre not on par sa mga orig.

**smooth** · May 9th, 2005 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by mikaztro

The best way to find and acquire a sidearms that fits your budget and needs is to go to a Gun shop. There are lots of Gun shops in the malls. You can even ask them what's the new model, type of ammo, accessories, etc.

THINGS TO CONSIDER BEFORE BUYING:
1. quality
2. cost
3. accuracy
4. quantity(hi-cap mag)
5. weight(compact or not)
6. availibility of atermarket accessories.
7. re-sale value
8. durability
9. looks
10. safety
11. maintenance

For me, I'd go with sub-compact polymer handguns. They're durable, hi-cap, light and easy to conseal. My personal choice;

1. Glock 26(9mm), Glock 27(40sw), Glock 30(45 cal)
2. Springfield SA-XD
3. HK usp compact series
4. Smith & Wesson sigma series
5. Taurus PT111(9mm), PT140(40sw), PT145(45) - cheapest of the five.

just a question: what do you think of the polymer guns from bernardelli? i think they have 9-mm, .40 and .45-cal models

**1D4LV** · May 9th, 2005 04:25 PM

teka...teka...

authorized bang mabigyan ang civvies ng PTC for calibers .45, .357 and .38? ang alam ko, pwede lang ibigay sa civilians eh pang 9mm lang.

**amboy** · May 9th, 2005 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by badkuk

ok ba ung armscor, or just a waste of money?

for pistol IMHO its just a waste of money.... better get a gun with a good/reliable brand. however if you're getting an armscor .22LR rifle ok lang for plinking or small bird hunting.

**bilog** · May 9th, 2005 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by badkuk

ok ba ung armscor, or just a waste of money?

DOn't get it specially those caliber 40's. Mauutas ka dito. My friend tried using t during competition, masw madalas pa nagjam kesa naiputok. Very pcky when it comes to reloaded ammo.

**mhelskie** · May 9th, 2005 07:37 PM

pa member ka sa gun club, mas madaling mag acquire ng license pag may gun club ka

**Psylocke** · May 9th, 2005 08:14 PM

Hard to beat revolver and shotgun combo

**Wouie** · May 9th, 2005 08:49 PM

salamat sa mga advice nyo. Gusto ko kasi isang mahaba na pambahay like shotgun at isang 9mm or 45. Pero parang ang hirap yatang itama don sa aim mo yong 45 dahil sobrang lakas sumipa di gaya ng 9mm. Anyway it's for self protection, di naman ito for showing off. Naniniwala ako na pag papatayin ka, kahit pa may baril ka ay minsan wala ka ring magagawa, pero sa case ko wala naman akong kaaway. Naiikuha ba ng license ang mga shotgun. Also kung may baril ka na may lisensya at ipagbawal ng govt. ang pagiissue ng license sa mga following years, kailangan mo bang ihand-over sa govt ang baril mo?

May karanasan na kasi kami, yong uncle ko laging may dala syang baril pag lumalabas pero one time naiwan nya to sa bahay. On his way home nasiraan yong sasakyan nya at habang tinitingnan nya yong makina, pinagtripan sya ng isang lasing na may dalang balisong. Nag-attempt syang umiwas dahil wala syang kalaban-laban pero sa kasawiang palad inabot sya at pinagsasaksak, so napatay sya. Kung may baril sana sya ng panahong yon, malamang na baka di nya sinapit ang ganon. Mas mabuti ang ikaw ang makadisgrasya kaysa sa madisgrasya. Sa mga ganitong pagkakataon ang ibig kong sabihin ng self protection, kung nalalagay sa alanganin ang yong buhay o buhay ng yong pamilya.

**mikaztro** · May 9th, 2005 08:55 PM

Recoil of revolvers are fantastic as it dissipates the pressure off the slits of the ball. However, there are pistols that do have conpensators or port holes just like the Glock Nato series etal. Other ploymer handguns like Jericho 941FBL(patterned after CZ75) and Bernardelli are good compact sidearms as well.

**mikaztro** · May 9th, 2005 09:03 PM

Just for info:

Light Pistols

Note: In the United States, gun control laws have severely restricted the ammunition capacity of small arms in civilian use. All magazines manufactured in or imported to the U.S. can hold no more than ten rounds. The clips sold before this ban are legal, but getting them is very costly. In other countries the magazines are still full-capacity. That is why many U.S. gun catalogs do not match the capacity for rounds listed here. However, with a little skill (a.k.a. Gunsmithing) the current clips could (in theory) be modified to hold their full allotment. This would be highly illegal. Law enforcement officials are still allowed to purchase the full capacity magazines.

* AMT Automag II: This is a large target pistol chambering the .22 Winchester Magnum round. There is a smaller version which has a 7-round capacity.

* Baikal IJ-70 HC: This is a Russian firearm chambering the Makarov round. It is a very small double-action pistol. It also has safety and decocker mechanisms.

* Beretta M84 Cheetah: This is a double-action pistol introduced in 1977. It is made in Italy. It is known for its quick takedown feature.

* Beretta 92F: This is the new official sidearm of the United States Army. It replaced the M1911. It is known as the M9 to the Armed Forces.

* Beretta 950BS Jetfire: A very small and concealable firearm chambered in .25 ACP. It is single-action only and has a tip-up barrel.

* Beretta Centurian: A shortened version of the 92F that can also be found in the .40S&W caliber round.

* Bernardelli P-018: A double-action automatic pistol from Italy. It has a manual safety catch. There is a "compact" version with a shorter barrel and a 14 round clip.

* Browning BDA9: This is a smaller caliber version of the Browning Hi-Power. It is double-action, with decocking levers on each side.

* Browning BPM-D: A steel frame small arm with an ambidextrous decocking lever. It is double-action and has no safety.

* Calico M-110: This U.S. made gun is close to 18" long. It uses a helical-feed cylinder on top of the gun to hold the rounds. It has a flash suppresser built in.

* Calico M950: A revolutionary U.S. design with a helical-feed cylinder magazine. All the rounds eject from the bottom of the gun and can be collected in a brass bag. It even has sling mounts.

* Caspian Target: A popular competition grade firearm built in the Colt 1911-style. It has a high-capacity magazine and is very accurate.

* Colt Mustang: A scaled-down version of the 1911A. There is a pocketlite version that weighs only 12.5oz.

* COP Derringer: This is a small 4-round pistol that has four barrels. It uses a rotating striker to fire each round in turn. It breaks open like a shotgun to reload.

* CZ75: A very successful Czechoslovakian pistol that has been widely copied in Europe since it was introduced in 1975. It is a basically a Browning double-action made very high-quality materials.

* Daewoo DP51 Fastfire: A Korean firearm with ambidextrous safety and squared trigger guard. It uses the three-dot sighting system.

* Desert Double Deuce: This is a concealable double action handgun. It has an ambidextrous slide-mounted safety.

* GKK-92C: A Hungarian import designed for concealment. It has a decocking mechanism that allows a round to be carried in the chamber safely.

* Glock 17: This Austrian-made pistol gained a notorious reputation before it was widely distributed. There were concerns its plastic polymer frame would prove invisible to metal detectors; these proved groundless (the gun is still 80% metal). Glocks are very well known for their durability, and they are widely used by Special Forces units such as the U.S. Navy SEALs.

* Glock 17L: "L" for long. The barrel in this gun is 6" instead of the 4 1/2" barrel of the standard Glock 17.

* Glock 19: This is a shortened version of the Glock 17. It is more concealable, and is, of course, made of a lot of polymer.

* Hammerli M280 Target: A custom-made pistol, this very expensive gun has a contoured grip made expressly for its user. The difficulties for anyone else who tries to use the gun are increased by one.

* Heckler & Koch P7K3: This is a very small pistol chambered in the .380Auto (also known as 9mm Short). There are also converison kits to make it use the .22LR or .32ACP rounds.

* Heckler & Koch P7M13: This recently developed automatic has become popular among police in the north-eastern United States as well as in its homeland of Germany.

* Heckler & Koch P9S: This is double-action in-line magazine pistol. The cocking mechanism is lever on the side of the gun, and the clip release is on the bottom of the gun.

* Heckler & Koch USP: Similar in build to the Glock 17, this gun features a special rib under the trigger, which allows the user easily to install and use laser targeting devices. The USP is also highly regarded for its durability. It takes a lot to stop this weapon from working, thus it is heavily favored by U.S. SEAL teams.

* Intratec Category 9: A very small and concealable automatic pistol. It is 5.5" in overall length. The frame is black polymer.

* Kahr K9: A very small all-steel 9mm pistol. It has no protrusions to help prevent snagging.

* Kel-tec P-11: A polymer frame pistol using a staggering clip to reduce size. It is high-quality and weighs only 14 ounces.

* Makarov: A Russian designed weapon chamber the shorter, fatter, Soviet 9mm. It is double-action only with a manual safety and decocking lever.

* PA-63: A small Hungarian pistol chambering the Soviet Makarov 9x18mm round. It is of sturdy metal construction and has an external safety.

* Phoenix HP22: Manufactured by Phoenix Arms, U.S.A. This is a small automatic. It has adjustable sights. Total length is 5.5".

* PSM: A modern Soviet pistol chambering the 5.45mm Soviet Pistol round. It has no ridges are protrusions to help aid in concealability. It is rumored to be effective against body armor.

* SIG Sauer P226: This high-capacity pistol came in second during a U.S. Army contest for a new universal sidearm. A quarter of U.S. police 9mms are of this type, and the P226 is used by police in Germany, where it is produced. It can be chambered in 9mm and .357 SIG rounds. The .357 version has a 12 round capacity, 5 damage, and a ROF of 3.

* SIG Sauer P229: Another great pistol from SIGARMS, Inc. It can be purchased in double and single action or double action only models. All models include a safety. Overall length is 7.1" and weighs 27.5 oz. There are also a .357 SIG and .40 S&W versions of the gun with the same weight and dimensions. These guns have 12 round clips, damage of 5, and a ROF of 3.

* SIG Sauer P230: A double-action pistol with in-line clip. It is blow-back operated. The gun measures 6 1/2" overall. It can also be found in .32 ACP caliber.

* Smith & Wesson 3913: Known as the LadySmith, this gun is ergonomically designed for a woman’s hand. It has smooth edges for snag resistance.

* Smith & Wesson Model SW9V: This is one of the new S&W products of the 1997 Sigma Series. The gun is 7.25 inches in overall length (barrel length is 4 inches). It comes in black or grey frames and has a satin grey finish. It is double action only and uses a striker firing system.

* Smith & Wesson SW380: A .380ACP in the Sigma series. It is double-action only with a polymer frame.

* Steyr GB: German firearm with a high-capacity. It is double-action only, giving a long trigger-pull. Its trigger guard is similar to the H&K USP.

* Taurus PT-92: Design that looks very much like the Beretta 92F, being metallic with wooden grips instead of black. It is double action and has an ambidextrous hammer drop.

* Walther P88: A German pistol introduced in 1988. It is designed differently than most Walthers, using a Browning dropping barrel system.

* Walther PPK: Made famous by James Bond and MI6, this gun has since been replaced by the VP-70z, and is now considered antiquated and underpowered. It should be noted that this same style gun, chambered in .22M is a preferred assassination weapon of some U.S. Special Forces.

* Walther TPH: A small stainless steel pistol designed much like the PPK series. It has rear adjustable sights.

* Wilkinson "Sherry": A very small pistol designed for concealed carry. It is a total of 4 and 3/8" in length. It has fixed sights.