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    Quote Originally Posted by sparc179 View Post
    Very good points Master Jut and I agree with most of them.

    Just as I stated, the U.S right now has a major mental health epidemic that they refuse to or are unable to address effectively.

    My personal argument is fairly basic, and I'm not advocating that all people on this planet own guns, no sir, but just the simple and irrevocable fact that guns are necessary for one's protection.

    Perfect example is our very own beloved country. Where some of the people tasked to protect its own citizens are the very ones committing unspeakable crimes. Can we truly rely on our very own PNP to save us when drug crazed criminals have forcibly entered our homes with the intention of robbing us, harming us, raping our women and eventually killing us?







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    We converge in the idea that promoting a healthy society with low inequality and sufficient mental health awareness is the long-term fix that curbs incidents of mass shootings.

    However, I do not agree that in the interim, the best way to deal with gun-toting homicidal folks is to have everyone else toting guns themselves. Even within the US, there is clear data that shows that shooting incidents are much lower in states with stricter gun laws:

    The Looser a State'''s Gun Laws, the More Mass Shootings It Has | WIRED

    This trend has strengthened even more in the past decade, where more mass shootings occur in states with more relaxed gun laws.

    Letting ordinary folks carry guns as protection is akin to hoping that two wrongs make a right. There are multiple data points (both US and abroad) that show that if you make it more difficult to get a gun, chances of mass shootings decrease.

    Another point to note is that more than just mental illness (which only comprises 1% of gun-related homicides, despite what media sensationalizes), gun violence is more closely correlated to a history of domestic abuse. So if background checks are more stringent and gun ownership is treated as a privilege for upstanding citizens rather than a right for every redneck, gun-related violence decreases. You can read more about scientifically-proven statistics relating to gun violence here:

    Here Are 12 Facts We Know About Gun Violence, According to Science

    I'm interested to see the data that supports your claim that the best way to reduce gun violence is to have people "protect" themselves with their own firearms. Please share.

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    Last edited by jut703; January 4th, 2020 at 04:29 AM.

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