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    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by carxynogen View Post
    Higher ground clearance than SUVs but hindi kaya ang baha (Ex: Fortuner - 180-190mm+ lang daw ground clearance nito? vs this 200mm ground clearance KIA Sonet).
    That's where the SUV is for, the wading depth to overcome flooded streets.
    While CUVs higher ground clearance purpose is for our lubak-lubak and uneven streets and cannot overcome heavy flooded streets
    I think the pickup's differential (pumpkin) on the rear axle makes the ground clearance "low" but they actually sit higher than CUVs. Better water wading depth.

    By the way, the Hilux with a ground clearance of less than 200mm is probably the fleet/base model with small diameter tires.
    Last edited by AG4; June 22nd, 2024 at 07:41 AM.

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    #22
    in my opinion only,

    i think ground clearance is for rocks and stuff, where half an inch (13 mm) can mean the difference between scrape and trapped.

    fording-the-flood-wise,
    i'd probably be more interested in how significantly higher the engine sits, than how low the banjo (rear differential) is.
    between 200 mm and 180 mm ground clearance, that's only about 3/4 inch difference or a thumb's width; hardly something to crow about in real-life flood-fording.

    i wonder,
    why don't manufacturers advertise their engine oil sump ground clearance more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    in my opinion only,

    i think ground clearance is for rocks and stuff, where half an inch (13 mm) can mean the difference between scrape and trapped.

    fording-the-flood-wise
    between 200 mm and 180 mm ground clearance, that's only about 3/4 inch difference or a thumb's width; hardly something to crow about in real-life flood-fording.
    First, the Hilux with around 180mm or 174mm ground clearance appears to be the base 4x2 fleet/work version. The differential is about as low as the Innova's.
    640px-toyota_hilux_2.4j_4x2_20221019.jpg
    The Hi-rider or 4x4 models have a 216mm ground clearance, another number (279mm is floating around the internet, this measurement seems to disregard the rear differential).

    The floor and engine of even the base (non-Hi Rider) 4x2 Hilux pickup is probably still a bit higher than that of the Sonet.
    kia-sonet-18-1024x683.jpg
    The front-wheel drive Sonet doesn't sit that high up but it doesn't have big protruding things underneath. Think of it as a modern front-drive car lifted with an extra 50-60mm of ground clearance. It's not really meant for wading through floods or streams, on the bright side, CUVs like this are good for clearing tall humps, steep driveways etc where modern cars would scrape their under or front bumpers.

    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    i wonder,
    why don't manufacturers advertise their engine oil sump ground clearance more?
    Probably because it's not the lowest part of a vehicle. Chances are the under-engine cover, subframe, exhaust system or differential (on pickups/SUVs) are lower.
    Last edited by AG4; June 22nd, 2024 at 03:13 PM.

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    #24
    got to check one out at sm san fernando today. rear visibility is very poor and as typical w/ short(er) wheel base cars such as this one (and other short cars like Jazz etc) the 2nd row door opening is smaller, so foot may snag while getting in/out

    as for water wading rating it really comes down to air intake and breathers. despite all its faults (and ford's bean-counting) the ecosport surprisingly has a factory installed transmission breather for the m/t at least, thus is rated 550mm water wading. this is higher than the water wading on a stock jimny jb74. the jimny's engine and intake are much higher than on the ecosport but doesn't have breathers pre-installed

    but at the end of the day those water wading numbers are just numbers. the important thing is you don't dunk the a/c compressor and alternator in water, so ultimately the car w/ the higher mounted engine/compressor/alternater wins (you just have to install breathers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka View Post
    got to check one out at sm san fernando today. rear visibility is very poor and as typical w/ short(er) wheel base cars such as this one (and other short cars like Jazz etc) the 2nd row door opening is smaller, so foot may snag while getting in/out
    On the bright side, you know the back window is the rear end of the car. Lol

    By the way, i think all variants have a rear camera.

    About the rear door opening size, i'm assuming its similar to the Raize or maybe an EcoSport?

    Its interesting that the wheelbase of these entry-level subcompacts are longer than the first 2 generations of the 5-door Rav4.
    Last edited by AG4; June 23rd, 2024 at 06:36 AM.

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    2024 Kia Sonet SX 1.5L CVT Review - Better than the Raize?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ice15 View Post

    2024 Kia Sonet SX 1.5L CVT Review - Better than the Raize?
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    well,
    a new car (model) is always an exciting proposition, to compare it against co-called reigning champion...
    Last edited by dr. d; August 5th, 2024 at 07:02 PM.

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    Kia PH implements post-introductory pricing for Sonet | Visor

    LX MT – P758,000 (no change)
    LX AT – P888,000 (from P868,000)
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    SX AT – P1,158,000 (from P1,138,000)

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    #29
    my close relative jumped into the non-japanese car ownership program.
    his trips to the shop (warranty pa kasi) are not bettered by my trips to banawe in my ancient toyota.

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    Hello po!

    Ask oko lng dito yung meron ng unit ng kia sonet, kamusta naman po yung fuel consumption sa city and highway?


    Nagawa nyo din po ba yung break in? After po ba nag improve na yung fuel consumtion?

    Planning to buy po kasi nung ex variant.. thank you po!

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