E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

**OldSchoolHack** · July 29th, 2009 02:50 PM

Naduling ako ng ipinagmalaki pa ni GMA ang Bio-fuel law.

Sana binigyan din tayo ng tax relief (yung sa fees na binabayaran natin pag rehistro. lagyan ng relief or something) sa registration kasi bio-fuel damages our cars.

Ok lang sa mga bagong oto. Pero sa '90s and older model mararandaman ninyo ang effect after a while.

*CVT. Sabi sa RA pag na apektohan yung local demand dahil sa increased ethanol demand for gasoline e pwede naman mag import. Masyadong open ended din ang batas dito. Plus me review din ang DOST sa effect ng ethanol (also in the RA Biofuel Law). Actually di na kailangan ang DOST. Apektado na agad lumang oto after a while.

Pati ata aviation fuel gagawing me ethanol!!!! omg

**1D4LV** · July 29th, 2009 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolHack

Naduling ako ng ipinagmalaki pa ni GMA ang Bio-fuel law.

Sana binigyan din tayo ng tax relief (yung sa fees na binabayaran natin pag rehistro. lagyan ng relief or something) sa registration kasi bio-fuel damages our cars.

Ok lang sa mga bagong oto. Pero sa '90s and older model mararandaman ninyo ang effect after a while.

*CVT. Sabi sa RA pag na apektohan yung local demand dahil sa increased ethanol demand for gasoline e pwede naman mag import. Masyadong open ended din ang batas dito. Plus me review din ang DOST sa effect ng ethanol (also in the RA Biofuel Law). Actually di na kailangan ang DOST. Apektado na agad lumang oto after a while.

Pati ata aviation fuel gagawing me ethanol!!!! omg

aviation fuel is exempted from the clean air act so it is exempted dun sa implementation ng ethanol or biofuels.

**OldSchoolHack** · July 29th, 2009 04:12 PM

^^^ The law states otherwise. Please read the RA 9367. There is no exemption stated there.

In fact ---
Section 9:On the powers of the NBB (National Biofuel Board) and Item e) -

"Recommend to DOE the use of bio-fuel blends in AIR TRANSPORT taking into account safety and technical viablity."

While it is not an absolute implementation on aviation fuel, it is open ended where the NBB may recommend the use. This does not mean aviation fuel will be regulated to have bio-fuel but rather if the NBB issues an IRR on the implementation, then aviation fuel will have ethanol depending on the IRR they issue.

Unless repealed na ang Biofuel law.

**highway_stud** · July 29th, 2009 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Taurus

I guess there are two SeaOil branches in Marikina, one is along JP Rizal in Greenheights, Nangka and the other is in the boundary of Concepcion and Parang (Paraluman St). So does both stations sell the same price?

Usually if same area, hindi nagkakapalayo ng price 'yan.

Value for money talaga ang E97, while other gasoline brands lessen their RON, Seoil makes it 97 for an affordable price. And these other brands don't come cheap. I think good worth for money ang ginagawa ng Seaoil.

**ntend2b** · August 3rd, 2009 01:30 PM

Even me, I'm wondering kung meron nga dn in some other places eh, ganda nya humatak, it would really drives your car to its full performance.

**skipper** · August 4th, 2009 12:35 PM

Seaoil's E10 blended-fuel works well for me, kasi high rated naman ang octane nya which is 97. It actually feels better with blaze and v-power in terms of hatak. And with E10 you don't have to worry about additive residues on your car parts since it burns clean. E10 is also a good engine booster.

For those who were asking where seaoil stations are located, here's the link to the list of stations: http://www.extreme97.com.ph/index.ph...reme97Stations.

Thanks!

**p_borj** · August 4th, 2009 02:44 PM

ang nakakatakot dito guys eh yung lifespan ng engines natin. as of now hindi natin mararamdaman ang epekto nito dahil bago pa lang ito, pero paano 5 years from now?

at ito ang pinakamahalaga, 100% sure ba tayo na ang ethanol na halo sa gasolina natin eh 10% lang? paano kung nasa 20% pala diba, hindi naman natin nalalaman?

nagpakarga ako ng Caltex Silver, ethanol blended na rin pala ito, proud pa ako sa Caltex Silver dati dahil hiwalay ang E10 nila "dati" eh ngayon Flying V muna ako (nakahiwalay pa rin "as of now" ang unleaded nila (san juan branch)).

ayun, parang nag evaporize lang hehe, haay naku ethanol..

**highway_stud** · August 26th, 2009 01:16 PM

Marami na 'yatang ok with e10 now. Syempre naman, biodiesel na tayo in 2010. Dapat ng sanayin ang sasakyan.

**Haruto** · August 26th, 2009 01:38 PM

isn't E10 = Ethanol mixture?

I don't believe engines could become "sanay" in E10 if they are older models. E10 or Ethanol mixed gas could end up destroying older engine's seals etc. I've asked Nissan Casa about this too and they told me that all engine types 2002 below are not suitable for the said ethanol mixed gas.

what do you mean po ng engine booster yung e10? just curious...

Seaoil's gases are okay naman. i've been using it for a while and i think its okay naman.

**highway_stud** · September 1st, 2009 03:20 PM

^Yup, e10 is 10% ethanol.

Provided that all parts are genuine, 1990 models can still run on Extreme 97, imo. 'Sanay' is just something people use for the lack of a better term since e10 is mandated for utilization come 2010.

With regards to booster, ethanol acts as booster to replace harmful additives usually found in ordinary gasoline.

Thanks!