Toyota Hilux 4x4 vs. Mitsubishi Strada 4x4

**hinDMaxsiado** · March 27th, 2011 06:30 PM

For the thread starter:

If only between the two (2) and the scenario involves a lot of hauling, towing and climbing, stock trim-for-stock trim, i would definitely get the 3-litre Toyota Hilux D4-D even when you are comparing it against the new 2.5-litre Mitsubishi Strada "GTV" Di-D. The GTV emblem connotes that a variable-geometry turbo (VGT) is incorporated into the engine.

The 3-litre Hilux D4-D has long been equipped with a VGT, which Toyota refers to as variable nozzle turbo or VNT. Besides, it shares the same 1KD-FTV engine with the 3-litre Landcruiser Prado. The engine on the Hilux, however, is a detuned version of the 1KD-FTV of the Prado.

While almost all competitors are now just adapting the VGT onto their diesels, Toyota has long been using it since year 2000 when it came up with the 1KD-FTV engine for the Prado.

Factory (stock-trim) specs on the two are as follows:

Hilux - 163 metric-hp DIN at 3400 rpm, 343 Nm peak torque distributed from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm

Strada GTV - 178 metric-hp DIN at 4000 rpm, 350 Nm peak torque distributed from 2000 rpm to < 2500 rpm

"TORQUE" is the one that gets you up the hill and NOT horsepower.... so if you see something where the peak torque is delivered at such a low rpm like 1400 rpm, and widely distributed all the way to the top, then that's the utility pickup you want.... Besides, anyone wants to wring-out the neck of their high-compression diesel engines up to 4000 rpm just to squeeze out the maximum horsepower from their pickup? The diesel's natural compression ratio of plus 17 : 1 is similar to a Formula One car's comp. ratio.

"FUEL-EFFICIENCY" also reckons itself where the peak torque is located BECAUSE this is the region along the rpm where the engine is running at most efficient.

Good day and goodluck on your choice....

**angbatangobong** · March 28th, 2011 11:56 PM

Actually,

Strada GTV - 178 metric-hp DIN at 4000 rpm, 350 Nm peak torque distributed from 1800 rpm to 3500 rpm

Their tourque distribution have roughly the same "width", although the hilux's comes in sooner.

Sa Ranger T6 ako.

**hinDMaxsiado** · March 29th, 2011 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by angbatangobong

Actually,

Strada GTV - 178 metric-hp DIN at 4000 rpm, 350 Nm peak torque distributed from 1800 rpm to 3500 rpm

Their tourque distribution have roughly the same "width", although the hilux's comes in sooner.

Sa Ranger T6 ako.

Ahihi

Narrow naman pala peak torque ng Strada GTV chief, it is NOT broad ---- nagtaka nga mga nag-test nito claim ng Mitsubishi at 2000 rpm daw 350 Nm na samantala ang peak lang niya is at a high 3500 rpm.... ang ingay na ng makina nito haha!!!!

Looking at those dynographs above, lahat ng pickup variants ng Strada in stock-trim (not modified-trim) from the standard 2.5-litre na CRDi to the 3.2-litre and up to the 2.5-litre CRDi with VGT puros single peak point lang mga torque nila along the rpm hehehehe.... tsk tsk tsk.... The Strada GTV only makes 250 Nm at 1800 rpm NOT 350 Nm as publicised haha!!!! .... Besides it only makes 300 Nm pala at 2500 rpm na tsk tsk tsk (whereas the Hilux is already making 343 Nm 1100 rpm WAY EARLIER at 1400 rpm).... Parang kagaya din lang ng Nissan Navara pala ang Strada chief na single peak lang ang torque nito along the rpm (at 2000 rpm), sabay baba na kagad JUST RIGHT AFTER the sweet spot ahihi.... Kung may manual-transmission lang ito gaya ng Navara, downshift-ng-downshift para shootup lang ang rpm palagi ahihi....

A typical powerband from a diesel pickup should be broad when one intends to use it for hauling, towing and going up a hill, especially hills that are technical/ slippery and where traction and torque at low-end rpm takes precedence over sheer horspower....
....Quite of an example apart from the 3-litre Hilux's torque curve where it peaks up at 1400 rpm at 343 Nm and broadly delivers it all the way to 3200 rpm, is that of the 3-litre iTEQ VGS engine of the Isuzu DMax sold in Europe, Australia and Thailand (wala pa itong makina sa atin sa Pinas chief)

Pag ganyan ang powerband ng isang pickup where the torque's "sweet spot" is broad-or-wide, mas matipid yan sa consumo ng diesel kaysa sa higher-revving diesel engine dahil at low-rev range palang chief andiyan na ang ideal torque that you need to haul, tow, pull and go up that hill....

Just my 2 centavos chief.

**blue_gambit** · March 29th, 2011 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by hinDMaxsiado

Ahihi

Narrow naman pala peak torque ng Strada GTV chief, it is NOT broad ---- nagtaka nga mga nag-test nito claim ng Mitsubishi at 2000 rpm daw 350 Nm na samantala ang peak lang niya is at a high 3500 rpm.... ang ingay na ng makina nito haha!!!!

Looking at those dynographs above, lahat ng pickup variants ng Strada in stock-trim (not modified-trim) from the standard 2.5-litre na CRDi to the 3.2-litre and up to the 2.5-litre CRDi with VGT puros single peak point lang mga torque nila along the rpm hehehehe.... tsk tsk tsk.... The Strada GTV only makes 250 Nm at 1800 rpm NOT 350 Nm as publicised haha!!!! .... Besides it only makes 300 Nm pala at 2500 rpm na tsk tsk tsk (whereas the Hilux is already making 343 Nm 1100 rpm WAY EARLIER at 1400 rpm).... Parang kagaya din lang ng Nissan Navara pala ang Strada chief na single peak lang ang torque nito along the rpm (at 2000 rpm), sabay baba na kagad JUST RIGHT AFTER the sweet spot ahihi.... Kung may manual-transmission lang ito gaya ng Navara, downshift-ng-downshift para shootup lang ang rpm palagi ahihi....

A typical powerband from a diesel pickup should be broad when one intends to use it for hauling, towing and going up a hill, especially hills that are technical/ slippery and where traction and torque at low-end rpm takes precedence over sheer horspower....
....Quite of an example apart from the 3-litre Hilux's torque curve where it peaks up at 1400 rpm at 343 Nm and broadly delivers it all the way to 3200 rpm, is that of the 3-litre iTEQ VGS engine of the Isuzu DMax sold in Europe, Australia and Thailand (wala pa itong makina sa atin sa Pinas chief)

Pag ganyan ang powerband ng isang pickup where the torque's "sweet spot" is broad-or-wide, mas matipid yan sa consumo ng diesel kaysa sa higher-revving diesel engine dahil at low-rev range palang chief andiyan na ang ideal torque that you need to haul, tow, pull and go up that hill....

Just my 2 centavos chief.

Pwede request? pati yung graph ng navarra at yung 2012 ranger? para mas maliwanagan ang TS....

**hinDMaxsiado** · March 29th, 2011 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by blue_gambit

Pwede request? pati yung graph ng navarra at yung 2012 ranger? para mas maliwanagan ang TS....

Chief, the dynograph for the current Philippine-issue Nissan Navara is already provided in the 2nd-graph ---- it's the smallest-size picture file.

Kind regards.

**arsen** · March 29th, 2011 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by hinDMaxsiado

Ahihi

Narrow naman pala peak torque ng Strada GTV chief, it is NOT broad ---- nagtaka nga mga nag-test nito claim ng Mitsubishi at 2000 rpm daw 350 Nm na samantala ang peak lang niya is at a high 3500 rpm.... ang ingay na ng makina nito haha!!!!

Just my 2 centavos chief.

Hmmm yung nagtest po ba nagtaka?

Una kasi alamin muna kung anong type ng dynamometer ginamit sa test.

Brake dynamometer (engine test stand) ba?
or
Inertia Dynamometer (chassis dynamometer) ?

Pangalawa huwag paghaluin ang results ng dalawang types ng test.

Sa Brake dynamometer kasi sinusukat kung hanggang saan talaga kaya ng engine magpaikot.

Whereas sa Inertia kung gaano lang nya kabilis eh accelerate ang drum.

So kung may mabasa kayo ng 250N-m hindi ibig sabihin nun hanggang doon lang kaya ng powers hehehe

Yung ascending na graph isang patunay na may ibubuga pa talaga kahit sakalin pa.

Besides yung kick ng piston na nagpoproduce ng torque ay dependent din sa amount ng fuel injected. So no wonder why parang pusit parin mag accelerate yung mga vehicle na diesel engine kahit new tech na makina nila.

**Ry_Tower** · March 29th, 2011 06:27 PM

^^^kaso di type ni TS yung Ranger at Dmax. Yung top choice niya ay hilux or strada.

**hinDMaxsiado** · March 29th, 2011 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by arsen

Hmmm yung nagtest po ba nagtaka?

Una kasi alamin muna kung anong type ng dynamometer ginamit sa test.

Brake dynamometer (engine test stand) ba?
or
Inertia Dynamometer (chassis dynamometer) ?

Pangalawa huwag paghaluin ang results ng dalawang types ng test.

Sa Brake dynamometer kasi sinusukat kung hanggang saan talaga kaya ng engine magpaikot.

Whereas sa Inertia kung gaano lang nya kabilis eh accelerate ang drum.

So kung may mabasa kayo ng 250N-m hindi ibig sabihin nun hanggang doon lang kaya ng powers hehehe

Yung ascending na graph isang patunay na may ibubuga pa talaga kahit sakalin pa.

Besides yung kick ng piston na nagpoproduce ng torque ay dependent din sa amount ng fuel injected. So no wonder why parang pusit parin mag accelerate yung mga vehicle na diesel engine kahit new tech na makina nila.

YUP chief, napakatalino nga (kahit ano pang engineered-excuses ang gawin) na kailangang paiyakin muna ng 3500 rpm ang overrated Strada "GTV" para lang makuha mo at one-spot along the rev range ang 350 Nm haha! ....Parang "anemic" din na Nissan Navara na 2000 rpm lang ang peak torque at lakas lumamon ng crudo ahihi

Yan ang magaling na pagka-design haha!

**arsen** · March 29th, 2011 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by hinDMaxsiado

YUP chief, napakatalino nga (kahit ano pang engineered-excuses ang gawin) na kailangang paiyakin muna ng 3500 rpm ang overrated Strada "GTV" para lang makuha mo at one-spot along the rev range ang 350 Nm haha! ....Parang "anemic" din na Nissan Navara na 2000 rpm lang ang peak torque at lakas lumamon ng crudo ahihi

Yan ang magaling na pagka-design haha!

Sino kaya unang magpapaiyak ng VGT version ng Strada sa pinas. Sana wag naman nakangiti habang may pinapaiyak... hahaha

**arsen** · March 30th, 2011 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by hinDMaxsiado

Ahihi

Narrow naman pala peak torque ng Strada GTV chief, it is NOT broad ---- nagtaka nga mga nag-test nito claim ng Mitsubishi at 2000 rpm daw 350 Nm na samantala ang peak lang niya is at a high 3500 rpm.... ang ingay na ng makina nito haha!!!!

Looking at those dynographs above, lahat ng pickup variants ng Strada in stock-trim (not modified-trim) from the standard 2.5-litre na CRDi to the 3.2-litre and up to the 2.5-litre CRDi with VGT puros single peak point lang mga torque nila along the rpm hehehehe.... tsk tsk tsk.... The Strada GTV only makes 250 Nm at 1800 rpm NOT 350 Nm as publicised haha!!!! .... Besides it only makes 300 Nm pala at 2500 rpm na tsk tsk tsk (whereas the Hilux is already making 343 Nm 1100 rpm WAY EARLIER at 1400 rpm).... Parang kagaya din lang ng Nissan Navara pala ang Strada chief na single peak lang ang torque nito along the rpm (at 2000 rpm), sabay baba na kagad JUST RIGHT AFTER the sweet spot ahihi.... Kung may manual-transmission lang ito gaya ng Navara, downshift-ng-downshift para shootup lang ang rpm palagi ahihi....

A typical powerband from a diesel pickup should be broad when one intends to use it for hauling, towing and going up a hill, especially hills that are technical/ slippery and where traction and torque at low-end rpm takes precedence over sheer horspower....
....Quite of an example apart from the 3-litre Hilux's torque curve where it peaks up at 1400 rpm at 343 Nm and broadly delivers it all the way to 3200 rpm, is that of the 3-litre iTEQ VGS engine of the Isuzu DMax sold in Europe, Australia and Thailand (wala pa itong makina sa atin sa Pinas chief)

Pag ganyan ang powerband ng isang pickup where the torque's "sweet spot" is broad-or-wide, mas matipid yan sa consumo ng diesel kaysa sa higher-revving diesel engine dahil at low-rev range palang chief andiyan na ang ideal torque that you need to haul, tow, pull and go up that hill....

Just my 2 centavos chief.

Tsip, uulitin ko lang ha iba ang results or yung trend ng graph between an engine dyno at chassi dyno.

Lalo na kapag automatic transmission pa ang sasakyan. Kung familiar kayo sa tinatawag na "torque converter" magkaka-idea na dapat kayo kung bakit iba ang trend ng engine dyno at chassi dyno. Kapag may "torque converter" between the engine and tranny, most of the torque at low rpm ay dumudulas lang at nacoconvert into heat.

Tsip hindi magpupublish ang mga manufacturer ng information na hindi tama lalo na kung ang mga info na yun ay verifiable. Kung gusto ninyo makita ang published torque curve ng 4D56-VGT na engine ng Strada, punta kayo sa Thailand site ng Mitsu.

Tsip censya na ha.

Kung sabagay just your 2 cents right? And if you dont put your 2 cents in, how can you get change?