Documentation on "OWNER TYPE JEEP"

[hominid]

mini owner-type jeep by WADI AUTO SUPPLY in pampanga.
source:http://www.flickr.com/photos/likauke...25841/sizes/o/

Ayus ito. Magkano kaya? Better than MC in negotiating tight areas in the city. Mukang no need to register pa.

[kitsons]

I had a "horner-type" myself. Used it when I was still in college.

Bought second-hand. It was standard sized - original MB size. with 14" banana type alloy mags (sumisingaw yun, pag di ko nailabas ng two days, tatawag na ako ng tricycle para dalhin ko yung gulong sa nearest gas station at bobombahan ko). Toyota 5R ang engine. Pero pang 4K yung carb. original tires nun e 70 ang aspect ratio, mukhang pang biyaheng sucat - baclaran.

Daming mali sa pagka-assemble nun. lalo na dun sa front axle. nung naka 70 aspect ratio, the tires hit the leaf springs when doing a max turn. so i switched to a 60. dANG! na-lowered. there was a time when my uncle drove it, nalubak and you know what happened? nabasag yung fan....huh! bakit? upon investigation we found out that the engine swayed too much to the side and the fan hit the battery platform. so we relocated the battery, replaced the engine mounts and changed the fan to the asbestos type.

na-topak si oyil, bumili ng lowering blocks, 2"......had to relocate the leaf springs further ahead because it will hit the engine oil pan. Nalubak! then i had to buy a brand new radiator and relocate it higher. when i drive it around the subdivision, i had to do the "slice" manuever on speed bumps. because the transmission oil pan will scrape it.

the leaf spring are hard, kaya matag-tag pag mag-isa ako. kasya 10 tao.

it developed an internal leak where the engine oil wets one of the park plugs. this caused a rough idle, as one of the cylinders doesnt give consistent combustion. Ang solution, used platinum tip spark plugs. since then i didnt change spark plugs. nililinis lang and inaayos ulit yung spacing nung friend kong mechanic for free (classmate ko nung high-school).

I had the body replaced kasi maraki nang butas yung flooring sa kalawang. I drove the horner to cavite, umabot ako ng dasmarinas, sa tabi ng sabungan. pinasukatan at nagpagawa ng bagong body. lowered 3 - yung flooring tinaas ng 3 inches para magmukhang lowered pa. had the body delivered to san miguel, bulacan at dun namin pinatira - kapatid ng barkada ng kuya ko. ayan mukhang bago na. drive ko pauwi, walang tail lights kaya di ako dumaan ng highway. from san miguel, bulacan to paranaque. nangatog yung mga hita ko kakatapak ng clutch at brakes. maryosep.

then me and my friend had the piston rings replaced.

ngayon wala na. nabenta na sa magtutubig. kawawang horner, naghahatak na ng tangke ng tubig. tumatakbo pa kaya? i dont know.

Sa reliability OK, di pa ako tinirik that i had to leave it.

[SIZE=3]Good morning Oyil,

Thanks for giving the start of the day some humor with the comedy of errors on your OTJ.

Sorry pero medyo nakakatawa talaga though I emphatize with your woes. Taong talyer din ako noon with the used cars I used to drive.

Kaya pala naisipan mong magdesign ng sarili mong sasakyan.


A pleasant and blessed day to you.[/SIZE]

[totoy06]

greetings to everyone! :cheer2: i'm new here and i can't help but register after reading this particular thread. mtgal na ko nagbabasa-basa dito, actually mga 2 months ago, since nacarnap un FX namen sa harap ng bahay mismo . i was awake that time, heard the engine start, and just had enough time to get up from bed while watching a movie, peek through the window of my room, see it getting driven away and say: "see ya round buddy. not.". at first, looking me for security stuff n pwde lagay sa sasakyan pra d n maulet then mga review ng sasakyan if ever we decide to buy a new car.

anyway, meron kaming otj, circa 1991. inassemble sha d2 sa garahe namen and my father would say it's "katas ng sabong". it ran on an isuzu diesel engine, the name of which i forgot, and thanks to the magic of wikipedia i learned that it is pulled by 53 horses but the torque stayed elusive. indeed his brothers and buddies use it every weekend to "go to school" and our personal school service on weekdays. gamit din namen sha pg uuwi kme to quezon from pasig and i remember ako lan an di natatakot pg humahataw na ito to 80kph and overtaking provincial buses on a 2 lane/2way hi-way (since bata lang me then) since mjo mkalampag sha, while fully loaded with 9 people inside and any combination of boxes of fighting cocks, coconuts, rice, buwigs of banana etc. on the top rack. i started to learn driving in it at age 11 (1996) since abot ko na un mga pedals nya then a few months later bnili namen un fx. at first alternating sila ng takbo but we eventually favored the fx since it's more fashionable, we loved a/c and we don't get soaked pg umuulan. nun mjo regular na ko nagd-drive (i.e. going to school, going out w/ my girl), gnagamit ni erpat un otj pg sabay kme my lakad, and i drive him around in the fx pg libre ako.

then na-stroke my dad 6 years ago, paralyzed the right side of his body. the doctor said dun sa scale na 1-15 where, if i remember correctly 13 killed fpj, my dad suffered the 11 (or 13 if fpj's was 15, i forgot). we expected he would recover but parang he wasnt willing anymore kya until now, he can't speak, it takes him 10mins to walk from his room to the dining room, around 8meters. so kme na lan nun half-brother ko (to my mother) driver nun 2 vehicles and i guess understood na na ako my priority dun sa fx if i needed it. by 2006 bhira nman kme sabay my lakad ng kuya ko and since 1 car lan un garage namen, my uncle asked my mother if he could buy the otj for a cheap 10k since relatives naman and it wasnt exactly a beauty. he would use it for his work in construction and we had no idea how exactly it was being used.

now na wala n un fx, knuha namen un otj since we need a vehicle for some errands. the supports of the top rack on the left side was bent, prolly due to heavy cargoes, and the engine roars on the slightest touch of the accelerator on top of the engine sounding four times noisier.

it's always been my mother's dream to steeltop our otj and a/c'ed. indeed, she never even glanced on any vehicle that doesn't resemble an otj when we were considering on buying a new car. mjo mlaki un ggas2sin nun nag-canvass kme and i told her if ggastos din ng ganon kalaki, bihisan n lan un owner kesa doble gastos of buying a new one, not to mention ako na lang ang driver dito sa bahay after my brother died 2.5 years ago. it's been 3 weeks since the work started and in another week, bbalik n sha. i hope mganda un kkalabasan and i'll post pics. sayang lang walang pic nun lumang ichura nya but he looked more or less liked other older otj's posted here.

ano na balita dun sa otj club na10 hehehe? cheers and good day! :bye:

[eyshmechanic]

hi totoy ang ganda ng story mo pwede pang maalaala mo kaya he he. joke.

ang una kong sasakyan ay otj then i owned cars one after the other. wala na sila, yung my loyal otj ko na lang ang naiwan at sya ngayon ang inaalagan ko.

[ehnriko]

then na-stroke my dad 6 years ago, paralyzed the right side of his body. the doctor said dun sa scale na 1-15 where, if i remember correctly 13 killed fpj, my dad suffered the 11 (or 13 if fpj's was 15, i forgot). we expected he would recover but parang he wasnt willing anymore kya until now, he can't speak, it takes him 10mins to walk from his room to the dining room, around 8meters. so kme na lan nun half-brother ko (to my mother) driver nun 2 vehicles and i guess understood na na ako my priority dun sa fx if i needed it. by 2006 bhira nman kme sabay my lakad ng kuya ko and since 1 car lan un garage namen, my uncle asked my mother if he could buy the otj for a cheap 10k since relatives naman and it wasnt exactly a beauty. he would use it for his work in construction and we had no idea how exactly it was being used.

now na wala n un fx, knuha namen un otj since we need a vehicle for some errands. the supports of the top rack on the left side was bent, prolly due to heavy cargoes, and the engine roars on the slightest touch of the accelerator on top of the engine sounding four times noisier.

it's always been my mother's dream to steeltop our otj and a/c'ed. indeed, she never even glanced on any vehicle that doesn't resemble an otj when we were considering on buying a new car. mjo mlaki un ggas2sin nun nag-canvass kme and i told her if ggastos din ng ganon kalaki, bihisan n lan un owner kesa doble gastos of buying a new one, not to mention ako na lang ang driver dito sa bahay after my brother died 2.5 years ago. it's been 3 weeks since the work started and in another week, bbalik n sha. i hope mganda un kkalabasan and i'll post pics. sayang lang walang pic nun lumang ichura nya but he looked more or less liked other older otj's posted here.
:bye:

Hi Totoy,

If someone will be doing a scientific and statistical study on the effects of driving an open OTJ to one's health - we will be able to see the rate in which people with Heart problems in getting or aggravating ones health by driving OTJ's for many years.

Have you noticed how much stressful it is to drive an OTJ than a normal car that has been intensely engineered to conform with proper ergonomics?

Every factor affecting the driver in the OTJ cockpit environment like: Heat, Kalampag, Tagtag, Noise, Exposure to the Open space for outside Noise, Dust, Heat Radiation... all of these can cause blood pressure levels to rise up - specially when you are driving in urban densed areas like Manila.

I meant no criticism to the OTJ builders, I would consider the OTJ a recreational vehicle... an RV. In the same category as a Dune Buggy or an Off Road Bug. They are ideal for Resorts, Mountainous regions, Provinces - anywhere where the air is fresh and the scenery is greener and there are less blowing of horns and less traffic.

This has been a very much overlooked aspect concerning Public Health. OTJ's need to be re engineered from inside out. Starting from suspension systems, to engine noise, to driver road feedback and ergonomics... to safety and structural rigidity. I have seen many road accidents at slow speeds involving OTJ's... death could have been prevented if the body exterior could have been built with structural engineering as a priority. Unfortunately, We are a nation that values the outer appearance more than the strong foundation of anything. Unless we revise our value system... what we dont know will continue to kills us systematically... continuously. compromising our quality of lives.

Food for thought...

[totoy06]

hi totoy ang ganda ng story mo pwede pang maalaala mo kaya he he. joke.

ang una kong sasakyan ay otj then i owned cars one after the other. wala na sila, yung my loyal otj ko na lang ang naiwan at sya ngayon ang inaalagan ko.

hahaha mjo! unfortunately, around people umiikot ang stories ng mmk, e hindi s otj. actually, ganun din balak ko sa otj namen. d lang aalagaan, bbihisan pa. better engine, macho wheels etc...

Hi Totoy,

Have you noticed how much stressful it is to drive an OTJ than a normal car that has been intensely engineered to conform with proper ergonomics?

Every factor affecting the driver in the OTJ cockpit environment like: Heat, Kalampag, Tagtag, Noise, Exposure to the Open space for outside Noise, Dust, Heat Radiation... all of these can cause blood pressure levels to rise up - specially when you are driving in urban densed areas like Manila.

Korek idol! Heat, Kalampag, Tagtag, Noise, Exposure to the Open space for outside Noise, Dust, Heat Radiation: PITONG MALALAKING CHECK! kso, i think we should remember na otj's wer cheap alternatives and early attempts of pinoys at utility vehicles. yes, passenger jeeps could do the job kso it was more expensive not to mention it was a wee bit less presentable than otj's. wala ata nagp-assemble ni2 for the pure purpose of ferrying passengers bagkus ang mga nasabing nag-nais mgk-otj ay naglalayong mgkarga ng samu't saring mga bagay bagay kaya passenger comfort was never the priority.

update ky OJ (not as creative as calling our fx tommy): 2 weeks pa daw sha ulet mkk-balik dahil painting on the wet and cold season takes longer kuno. i dunno any better so payag lang hehe...

also, gus2 ko po sana humingi ng suggestion kc mjo nagtatalo kme dun sa rear passenger seat. we opted to place a rear door parang pajero daw pra dun na lang ddaan un passenger instead of entering via the space between driver and passenger seat. since d pwde fixed kc mhharangan un pinto, the shop owner said they'd just place a seat like the driver's seat instead of a full seat na pang-likod. i didnt like it kc isa lan un mkk-upo there, it looks awkward and di kme mkk-tambay ni gf sa likod if we'r parked. i was thinking of a seat ktulad nun middle seat ng fx or anything similar dat would fit PERO it would fold ktulad nman nun seat sa likod nun fx, and it would be attached sa rear door para spacious p rin pg bukas ng pinto for people to get in or put stuff in. gets po b? i described it as best as i can. mron po b my alam n ggawa ng something as customized as this? kc i tried suggesting it dun s gmgawa, he downright refused, not even offering to try even if we wer willing to pay xtra. guess he didn't like modifications to his "style."

the other idea nman is to put the seat sa likod ng driver and passenger seat, facing backwards ala limousine. that would be very roomy for passengers not to mention damn unique! ...or so i think.

[kitsons]

hahaha mjo! unfortunately, around people umiikot ang stories ng mmk, e hindi s otj. actually, ganun din balak ko sa otj namen. d lang aalagaan, bbihisan pa. better engine, macho wheels etc...



Korek idol! Heat, Kalampag, Tagtag, Noise, Exposure to the Open space for outside Noise, Dust, Heat Radiation: PITONG MALALAKING CHECK! kso, i think we should remember na otj's wer cheap alternatives and early attempts of pinoys at utility vehicles. yes, passenger jeeps could do the job kso it was more expensive not to mention it was a wee bit less presentable than otj's. wala ata nagp-assemble ni2 for the pure purpose of ferrying passengers bagkus ang mga nasabing nag-nais mgk-otj ay naglalayong mgkarga ng samu't saring mga bagay bagay kaya passenger comfort was never the priority.

update ky OJ (not as creative as calling our fx tommy): 2 weeks pa daw sha ulet mkk-balik dahil painting on the wet and cold season takes longer kuno. i dunno any better so payag lang hehe...

also, gus2 ko po sana humingi ng suggestion kc mjo nagtatalo kme dun sa rear passenger seat. we opted to place a rear door parang pajero daw pra dun na lang ddaan un passenger instead of entering via the space between driver and passenger seat. since d pwde fixed kc mhharangan un pinto, the shop owner said they'd just place a seat like the driver's seat instead of a full seat na pang-likod. i didnt like it kc isa lan un mkk-upo there, it looks awkward and di kme mkk-tambay ni gf sa likod if we'r parked. i was thinking of a seat ktulad nun middle seat ng fx or anything similar dat would fit PERO it would fold ktulad nman nun seat sa likod nun fx, and it would be attached sa rear door para spacious p rin pg bukas ng pinto for people to get in or put stuff in. gets po b? i described it as best as i can. mron po b my alam n ggawa ng something as customized as this? kc i tried suggesting it dun s gmgawa, he downright refused, not even offering to try even if we wer willing to pay xtra. guess he didn't like modifications to his "style."

the other idea nman is to put the seat sa likod ng driver and passenger seat, facing backwards ala limousine. that would be very roomy for passengers not to mention damn unique! ...or so i think.

Ang pinaka nakakaapekto ng comfort sa OTJ ay ang short wheel base.

Di naiiba sa katagtagan and Vitara at RAV as they have the same short wheel base configuration. Ito dahilan kung bakit ang pinaka koportableng sakyan ay ang air con tourist bus na siyang pinaka mahabang wheel base.

May nasakayn oon akong passenger jeep na Isuzu Elf na maliit ata ang chasis. Naitanong ko sa driver kung naka double diagonal shocks ang gamit nya sa likod and I was right as the feel of riding htat vehicle was almost comparable to the smoothe ride in a Benz.

Another factor that is a big diterminant to comfort is the transmission alignment with the propeller shaft. My experienced mechanic friend pointed this out. If the alignment is not perfect, vibration is produced... the greater the misalignment, the greater the vibration. Ito ang dahilan na kapag nag-co-commute ka may mga jeep at mga bus na mas nakakapagod sakyan. Di natin masyadong namamalayan kasi na may constant vibration ang sasakyan na talagang nakaka-stress.

Kitsons

[eyshmechanic]

actually yung otj ko assembled late 70's pa. ilang pasa na rin 'to. it traveled many times between las pinas and baguio by a family of five! its engine is 4k lang.

i wonder which is more comfortable and safer, otj or motor bike? mhmm . .
.

us military has very high standards pagdating sa gamit and they are using jeep, of course designed by americans.

ang magaling sa otj design na pwede kunan ng opinion ay si dprox.

[totoy06]

Ang pinaka nakakaapekto ng comfort sa OTJ ay ang short wheel base.

Di naiiba sa katagtagan and Vitara at RAV as they have the same short wheel base configuration. Ito dahilan kung bakit ang pinaka koportableng sakyan ay ang air con tourist bus na siyang pinaka mahabang wheel base.

May nasakayn oon akong passenger jeep na Isuzu Elf na maliit ata ang chasis. Naitanong ko sa driver kung naka double diagonal shocks ang gamit nya sa likod and I was right as the feel of riding htat vehicle was almost comparable to the smoothe ride in a Benz.

wow my mtagtag din pla sa mga factory made vehicles.

pwde b magkabit sa otj ng ganung double diagonal shocks? lahat na ata ng parts nun otj namen nakalampag. ano-ano pa bo ba dapat i-check pra mbawasan kalampag ng sasakyan lalo na sa otj? namention nung mekaniko namen un coil-over springs. relevant b un?

[kitsons]

wow my mtagtag din pla sa mga factory made vehicles.

pwde b magkabit sa otj ng ganung double diagonal shocks? lahat na ata ng parts nun otj namen nakalampag. ano-ano pa bo ba dapat i-check pra mbawasan kalampag ng sasakyan lalo na sa otj? namention nung mekaniko namen un coil-over springs. relevant b un?

Siguro kung may space pa. Di ko alam effect ng shorter shocks kaya not sure. Ang sabi ng magaling kong mekaniko na pinaka mainam daw ay 45 degrees and alignment ng V ng shocks to produe the maximum shock absorbing effect.

Sa kalampag, puedeng gayahin ang ginawa sa VW Beetle na lahat ng joints may rubber lining. at lagyan mo ng rugby mga nuts and bolts para siguradong d ma-loosen ang mga ito. Nadalas rin di masyadong securely clamped ang mga tanggalin like the batteries at mga tools at iba pang mga bagay-bagay na nasa OTJ. Dahil sa tagtag nga kalampag resulta pag gumalaw ang mga ito.

Isa rin possible source ng kalampag ay ang misalignment ng engine supports. Eventually nagkakpuwang na enough pra gumala ang makina at kumalampag ito.

Nakakatulong rin ang pagbaliktad ng leaf springs para mas magand play at siguraduhin hindi overkill size ng coil spring kung mayroon nito (kung minsan kc puro leaf spring gamit sa pag buo ng OTJ.

Good luck sa iyong kalampag.