"HELP improve Anfra 2007"

[EMDFrancisco]

Buhay pa ang Anfra? Buti naman!
Kasi ang dating sikat na Sarao eh Sarao-do na! hehe

Dapat sinusuportahan din ng government ang anfra. And dapat magkaron din ng innovation and anfra.

Kung ang China nakagawa ng kanilang car brands, di lang isa kundi napakarami, kaya din ng pinoy yan.

Hello!

There is only one reason kung bakit mabilis napalaki ng China ang automotive industry nila. It is because of the drive of their own government. Just like what South Korea did in the late 1980's when they produced Hyundai. FMC also started distributing Hyundai here in the Philippines pero naapektohan din ng problem with Mazda and Ford.

Pres. Marcos did that in the 1970's yung Progressive Truck Manufacturing Program (PTMP) kaya nabuhay yung 'Pinoy AUV' ng FMC na nagkaroon ng 'Pinoy II' na color orange na ginagamit sa Cultural Center of the Philippines dati. They Pinoy II evolved into Anfra na ginagamit ng PLDT, Governmnet Agencies, etc. Pres. Ramos supported this program but after that, wala nang support. Though Pres. Erap promoted the Jeep ni Erap which didn't really take off because he was ousted. (Please note that my opinions are only from the point of view of the automotive industry and not fro the political point of view.)

We are doing our part from our end, the consumers are doing their parts also, the government should do theirs.

[eggman]

Wow ang State Investments pala ang bagong partner ng FMC!!

Sana maging maganda ang next gen Anfra!!

[hein]

Hello!
We are doing our part from our end, the consumers are doing their parts also, the government should do theirs.

Please see also the FMC Passenger Jeepney display at the North Court of Power Plant Mall from August 31 to September 6. It was painted by Team Manila and part of the program of Rockwell.

Ya the Consumers are doing their part by not buying JUNK.

If you keep on producing Jeepneys then you are going to die a 2nd Death.

Enough of that 1940's DINOSAUR, let the Jeepney die.


Its already the 21st Century. Look at how advanced the world has moved. For example, these electric people carriers will be deployed in London starting 4Q 2009.

Ikaw binubuhay mo pa yung JIPNEY. Hoy Mr. Francisco, panahon pa ni McArthur yan. TSK TSK.

[jpdm]

Hi!

You are somewhat correct in some of the aspects regarding FMC but FMC is just one corporation of the group of companies. The legacy and the spirit of Filipino ingenuity will always prevail.

FMC really stopped operations more than a decade ago because of the unfair practices and collaboration of Ford, Mazda and some of our very own government agencies. But the other corporation members, subsidiaries and affiliates of the Francisco Group of Companies still operates until now.

The old and rusted car manufacturing equipment worth Billions of Pesos back in the mid 1990's that we bought from Mazda to enhance the production of Mazda in the Philippines were really sold recently to the junk dealers at junk prices because that's what they really are ...JUNK. As we were never able to use them even once because after they sold us the equipments, they immediately breached our contracts and stopped supplying us with components. Can you imagine billions worth of equipment that were unused and unmaintained for a decade...? We can't even use them for other brands other than Mazda because that would breach intellectual property agreements. If we do that, we would be no different with Ford and Mazda, ...frauds.

Agree!

Allied Bank had never been the enemy. In fact, as their name state, they had always been an ally. Dr. Lucio Tan (owner of Allied Bank) is a patriot and a philanthropist. He will never let down a Filipino giant who competes and defeats multinationals. There are just other ways to do things only if you think out of the box and set aside your pride for the greater good.

Now, in cooperation with another patriot and philanthropist in the name of Mr. Allen Roxas of State Investment Trust Inc., State Properties, State Electronics, State Power and State Motor Corporation, Francisco will continue to produce All Brand New FMC Passenger Jeepneys and later on, a new generation Anfra and many more Filipino brands to compete globally. Along side with these are Chinese powerhouses Great Wall Motor vehicles, Zhong Tong Buses, Wuiling vehicles and Yuchai Trucks and land and marine powertrains, XCMG Heavy Equipment and many more. All of these would be based in the FMC/SMC Manufacturing Plant in Talon Las Pinas.

Please see also the FMC Passenger Jeepney display at the North Court of Power Plant Mall from August 31 to September 6. It was painted by Team Manila and part of the program of Rockwell. See http://elmerfrancisco.com for more details.

Many thanks and best regrads!

Good news!

[arneldv66]

FOR FRANCISCO MOTORS AND OTHER LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS......(Tsikot PHUV Core Group?..)

Make world-class products, firms told
Manila Bulletin
November 23, 2007
Charissa M. Luci

SUBIC — John Gokongwei Jr., chair emeritus of JG Summit Holdings Inc, has challenged Filipino companies to create world-class products, as he cited the significant role of entrepreneurs in country’s development and stability.

Gokongwei called on Filipino businessmen to "excel" in the international business arena and to create more jobs for Filipinos as their contribution to country’s economic takeoff.

"I have always wondered, like many of us, why we Filipinos have not lived up to our potential...But to be truly great nation, we must also excel as entrepreneurs before the world. We must create Filipino brands for the global market place.

"If we want to be philosophical, we can say that, with a world-class brand, we create pride for our nation. If we want to be practical, we can say that, with brands that succeed in the world, we create more jobs for our people, right here," he said as he lamented that Filipino companies do not have a truly global brand.

"Our country is wellknown for its labor, as we continue to export people around the world...But by and large, the Philippines has no big industrial base," the 81-year old Gokongwei said. "WE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO TRY--EVEN IF WE ARE LAUGHED AT," the business tycoon stressed.

Create world-class brands," Gokongwei said, noting that most of their food and beverage products, including Jack and Jill potato chips and C2 have reached foreign markets.

tama nga sya kailangan gumawa ang mga pinoy na de kalidad na produkto kya lng ang gobyerno ntin mismo ang ayaw magbigay ng suporta lalo na sa mga local auto maker imbes na sila ang magpanukala ng buy filipino made pero mas gusto pa nila ang mag imports kc nga milyon ang kurakot nila doon at pti na rin sa mga kaababyan ntin na ayaw tangkilikin ang sariling atin mas gusto pa nila ang mga 2nd hand na imported cars ayun c juan nagsisimula pa lng umatrs na agad

[uls]

arneldv66:

tama nga sya kailangan gumawa ang mga pinoy na de kalidad na produkto kya lng ang gobyerno ntin mismo ang ayaw magbigay ng suporta lalo na sa mga local auto maker imbes na sila ang magpanukala ng buy filipino made pero mas gusto pa nila ang mag imports kc nga milyon ang kurakot nila doon at pti na rin sa mga kaababyan ntin na ayaw tangkilikin ang sariling atin mas gusto pa nila ang mga 2nd hand na imported cars ayun c juan nagsisimula pa lng umatrs na agad

don't worry

magkakaroon din ng Pinoy Brand na sasakyan na world class

may plano daw ang MVPMAP gumawa ng Pinoy Brand Vehicle (PBV)

hintay ka lang

hintay

be patient

be very patient

[ehnriko]

Hi!

You are somewhat correct in some of the aspects regarding FMC but FMC is just one corporation of the group of companies. The legacy and the spirit of Filipino ingenuity will always prevail.

FMC really stopped operations more than a decade ago because of the unfair practices and collaboration of Ford, Mazda and some of our very own government agencies. But the other corporation members, subsidiaries and affiliates of the Francisco Group of Companies still operates until now.

The old and rusted car manufacturing equipment worth Billions of Pesos back in the mid 1990's that we bought from Mazda to enhance the production of Mazda in the Philippines were really sold recently to the junk dealers at junk prices because that's what they really are ...JUNK. As we were never able to use them even once because after they sold us the equipments, they immediately breached our contracts and stopped supplying us with components. Can you imagine billions worth of equipment that were unused and unmaintained for a decade...? We can't even use them for other brands other than Mazda because that would breach intellectual property agreements. If we do that, we would be no different with Ford and Mazda, ...frauds.

Allied Bank had never been the enemy. In fact, as their name state, they had always been an ally. Dr. Lucio Tan (owner of Allied Bank) is a patriot and a philanthropist. He will never let down a Filipino giant who competes and defeats multinationals. There are just other ways to do things only if you think out of the box and set aside your pride for the greater good.

Now, in cooperation with another patriot and philanthropist in the name of Mr. Allen Roxas of State Investment Trust Inc., State Properties, State Electronics, State Power and State Motor Corporation, Francisco will continue to produce All Brand New FMC Passenger Jeepneys and later on, a new generation Anfra and many more Filipino brands to compete globally. Along side with these are Chinese powerhouses Great Wall Motor vehicles, Zhong Tong Buses, Wuiling vehicles and Yuchai Trucks and land and marine powertrains, XCMG Heavy Equipment and many more. All of these would be based in the FMC/SMC Manufacturing Plant in Talon Las Pinas.

Please see also the FMC Passenger Jeepney display at the North Court of Power Plant Mall from August 31 to September 6. It was painted by Team Manila and part of the program of Rockwell. See http://elmerfrancisco.com for more details.

Many thanks and best regrads!

I am glad you joined this forum...

Sorry for the delayed reply - this is the first time I have read your post.

With regards to what you have just stated.... here are some points that entered my mind.

1. FMC's business decision to invest on those Billion Peso worth of Equipments like Stamping Dyes/ Molds for Mazda and Hyundai Elantras', Welding Jig Fixtures, Conveyors, and even the Dipping Painting Tub... were all proprietary designed manufacturing tools or components. They are not designed to empower your company whatsoever. Simply because it is basically catered to build a particular year model vehicle. How often does a vehicle design change? The business decision makers should have considered this in the first place before making such a move. The move to build ANFRA was the right step in the wrong direction. It should have been analyzed and studied more in depth. What FMC should have invested into is - CNC Machines, Developed and Advanced it's own in house design studio... It's a Pity that Raul Manglapuz died too early...he had the passion that could have influenced Rossauro and Family during FILCAR foundation days.

2. Pointing back to the Billions worth of Rusted Equipments .... One thing I learned in my very small entrepreneurial experience... If you don't own or control the source of your products and/ or services... then you definitely don't own or control the business... no matter what size it is. - Food for thought.

3. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with partnering with China Automotive companies... in fact, I would go for this myself. China has no fuss about using their platform or copying their design or technology - they got it in the same manner so there is really no harm in doing so. This is exercising prudence since you are choosing the lesser evil and a more cooperative or generous business partner.

4. Of course we cannot build engines... but we can surely improve the way we build our coaches - exteriorwise or interiorwise. Putting a nice make-up is purely cosmetics. It's like putting more value to a prostitute versus a real refined lady. I'm sorry, but no amount of expensive paint will make the existing jeepney look any better. Are these white and black ZEBRA motif paint jeepneys the one displayed in Rockwell? If there is another link, please post it, I would really be interested to see anything new.

5. After I last spoke with Joseph Bautista - in house designer of FMC way back... I forgot when. He was already about to resign and was mainly focused with outdoor adventures. I recently learned he was working already in Laguna Technopark with a Japanese Car Company. Anyway... I visited his office that time and he told me to redesign the jeepney to something modern looking. I took it I took it lightly since there is nothing serious with that meeting.

The point it... If the business owner lacks the passion to really build something significant - designwise. then it will be difficult to even imagine putting this country in the global map of the automotive world.

Don't get me wrong... FMC is perhaps an engineering centered company, nothing wrong with it... but making engineering as an art as your approach in design can make a difference. But then again, FMC is not a design centric company in the first place.

Again, FMC was not making a self empowering investment with those MAZDA and Hyundai manufacturing equipments... Should it continue building those vehicles... you will be at the mercy of the Marketing Department and or any Subsidiary machinery to keep the business alive.

If you can have Concept, to Prototype to Design Engineering... to Limited Production to Full Scale Production Engineering of your own Body and Interior components... then you can have real empowerment. Engines/ Powertrains can always be supplied by China or India whichever is cheaper.

I am not suggesting to follow any business model being used by other foreign companies... However, most Chinese companies are able to thrive from scratch. Making your own system is definitely difficult to do. It always begins with the first step.

Now how do we improve Anfra?

Best Regards.

[EMDFrancisco]

Thank you for the information ehnriko!

With what my group had been experimenting and trying for many years now and also combined with your insights, insights from other enthusiasts and feedback from the market, it really seems easier to start from scratch with a new utility vehicle project with a new company and a new name combined with the vision, experience, resources and will power. And of course with the help of the market and enthusiasts like you.

Actually, I was able to get one design sent thru this forum, the one with a red and green color, and I am currently having a costing and feasibility study made by my people so as to find out if the project is worth pushing thru. The important points that we are looking at are the ff:
1. Functionality - meaning we can load both people and cargo
2. Design - not too futuristic and not too old but very attractive to the market
3. Cost - the lower the better
4. Availability of components - more generic the better, depende lang naman yan sa pag design
5. Cost, fuel efficiency and availability of parts for the engine.
6. And some other details.

If you have other designs, please do send some.

Many thanks!

[bambino]

^^ i am willing to participate into your PROJECT and although not an engineer but i run and own a shop which is highly recognized in automotive repairs industry.\

and as a hobby i design and improve some latest test equipments in automotive repairs application .

if you had something that started , i am interested to at least see it in person and have an opportunity to give inputs if you dont mind .

more power and wish you the best .

[OyiL]

Thank you for the information ehnriko!

With what my group had been experimenting and trying for many years now and also combined with your insights, insights from other enthusiasts and feedback from the market, it really seems easier to start from scratch with a new utility vehicle project with a new company and a new name combined with the vision, experience, resources and will power. And of course with the help of the market and enthusiasts like you.

Actually, I was able to get one design sent thru this forum, the one with a red and green color, and I am currently having a costing and feasibility study made by my people so as to find out if the project is worth pushing thru. The important points that we are looking at are the ff:
1. Functionality - meaning we can load both people and cargo
2. Design - not too futuristic and not too old but very attractive to the market
3. Cost - the lower the better
4. Availability of components - more generic the better, depende lang naman yan sa pag design
5. Cost, fuel efficiency and availability of parts for the engine.
6. And some other details.

If you have other designs, please do send some.

Many thanks!

wait ka lang. dapat ready ka rin sa mga "constructive" at "encouraging" feedbacks ni uls, gh, hein. at sigurado, magiging successful ito. more power.

[marg]

wait ka lang. dapat ready ka rin sa mga "constructive" at "encouraging" feedbacks ni uls, gh, hein. at sigurado, magiging successful ito. more power.

Yeah, Oyil. check out the success of the Tsikot PHUV Prototype Project. All TALK since 2007. Ano nangyari sa lahat ng drawing mo, drawing pa rin.

Nasaan na yung mga PhUV project leaders na nag-meeting meeting pa. They will show Daw the Filipinos how a PHuV should be made. Architect, dprox, jamesvhong. They all but dissappeared. In the end, all BOLA pala.

Uls and Hein and others are speaking the truth.

[OyiL]

Yeah, Oyil. check out the success of the Tsikot PHUV Prototype Project. All TALK since 2007. Ano nangyari sa lahat ng drawing mo, drawing pa rin.

Nasaan na yung mga PhUV project leaders na nag-meeting meeting pa. They will show Daw the Filipinos how a PHuV should be made. Architect, dprox, jamesvhong. They all but dissappeared. In the end, all BOLA pala.

Uls and Hein and others are speaking the truth.

ay sorry, ikaw din pala. di kita nabigyan ng credit. pero ewan ko kung saan galing yung quote mo na "They will show Daw the Filipinos how a PHuV should be made."

Just to let you know, i am part of the that team. kung nagmamadali ka... mag-contribute ka nga ng makakatulong. kung wala ka i-cocontribute, maghintay ka na lang. wala ka namang stake sa project e.

[hein]

ay sorr
just to let you know, i am part of the that team. Kung nagmamadali ka... Mag-contribute ka nga ng makakatulong. Kung wala ka i-cocontribute, maghintay ka na lang. Wala ka namang stake sa project e.

Yeah, Team HOT AIR

Pshhhhhhh.........

[OyiL]

Yeah, Team HOT AIR

Pshhhhhhh.........

i expected that...kaya lang natagalan ng konti.....atsaka, ang iksi ng comment. make this thread burn.

[ehnriko]

Thank you for the information ehnriko!

With what my group had been experimenting and trying for many years now and also combined with your insights, insights from other enthusiasts and feedback from the market, it really seems easier to start from scratch with a new utility vehicle project with a new company and a new name combined with the vision, experience, resources and will power. And of course with the help of the market and enthusiasts like you.

Actually, I was able to get one design sent thru this forum, the one with a red and green color, and I am currently having a costing and feasibility study made by my people so as to find out if the project is worth pushing thru. The important points that we are looking at are the ff:
1. Functionality - meaning we can load both people and cargo
2. Design - not too futuristic and not too old but very attractive to the market
3. Cost - the lower the better
4. Availability of components - more generic the better, depende lang naman yan sa pag design
5. Cost, fuel efficiency and availability of parts for the engine.
6. And some other details.

If you have other designs, please do send some.

Many thanks!

The designs posted by the Tsikot PHUV group and I here in the public domains can be used by anyone - even without permission unless stated on the images... which is more often no than yes.

If you really are serious about investing on the design aspect using 'platform adaptation' you can always tap the group by PM.

I am burned out in designing for now... and am just lurking around to find if there really 'ever' is anything new at all - happening in the surroundings.

History repeats itself in a cyclical manner... but in our country... the cycle is not really ascending.... nor does it have a huge orbit line.

I wish you all the best in your project though. In the meantime... I will just throw in bits and snippets of inputs that are probably irrelevant or even insignificant for that matter. But if you find it helpful well in good.

[ehnriko]

Here's an example of a burn-out situation.

One of my drawings sent to Toyota in 2004...( the corolla 2005 Conceptual drawing) and the Europe only Toyota Model launched in 2007. Striking resemblance isn't it?

Oh well...

[EVO-V]

I don't blame local vehicle manufacturers for often overly recycled and broad sales pitches when developing their next generation of products.

I am however, skeptical about how feasible and viable their plans are. After all, we simply can't expect these cars to come into the market in a vacuum devoid of competition.

But the fact is, you need to spend money to make money. This new product has to be significantly cheaper than say an L300 or its Kia equivalent in order for it to make a dent in the market and compellingly feature rich.

Unfortunately the parts required for it to excel would need to be of good quality.

For instance, a utility vehicle relies largely on a good power train. An efficient engine would not only need to offer a good power to weigh ratio, but it also needs to be compliant with updated emissions and safety requirements.

That will cost money.

Our own tool and die industry is significantly lacking the needed technology and expertise. Simply purchasing CNC machines is only one step but it is a tiny requirement when you do not have the necessary expert base to utilize capital equipment.

You will need to pay top peso for these types of workers. Hence that will cost money.

I'm not surprised that given all the preferential treatment these companies have received throughout the decades in form of tax breaks and in some cases outright subsidies, that we're still seeing very little viable business sense.

The failed tool and die corporation project of yesteryears is a very valid case in point. Well intentioned money, paving the road to hell.

Subsidies rarely provide the necessary incentives, it is often too easy for large corporations to simply sap all of those off and just move to the next place to manufacture.

Sink or swim, I say.