Honda Jazz/City CVT Problems. Anyone?

[mm15744]

Suysuy, for the CVT owners benefit, better if you could ask them kung ano type nung naunang nagpapalit ng CVT tranny, 1.5 vtech di kaya?

Just want to establish kung ano probable cause ng pagkasira ng CVT:
1. Dahil kaya sa design complexity nito?
2. Dahil kaya hindi ito fit sa 1.5 Engine? at fit lang ito sa mga 1.3 idsi?
3. Nasa usage ng may ari, kapag sobrang gamit etc?
4. Factory defect?

[suysuy]

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yung napalitan ng CVT idsi. Kasali pala siya sa CVT recall dati. yung 2004 models and below. 2006 itong akin eh at facelifted na. hindi siya kasali sa 2004 recall. Kaya sabi ng supervisor, ako ata ang unang nagka problema or magpapa warranty ng CVT at VTEC pa. They are now super scrutinizing my unit now. Baka raw hindi sa CVT ang problema kundi engine. Dahil nag flufluctuate ang rpm ko at ang idle ko ang baba. But im definitely sure sa transmission ito. tulad ng sinabi ko sa isang post ko dito, i performed the stall test. and it is 2900-2950rpm. the tranny is slipping. its above service limits.

bottomline. I dont care kung anong mangyari. but ang gusto ko lang talagang maayos is yung jerking and yung severe engine braking niya. I dont care if its only caused by just a loose screw, I just want it fixed. I want it just like it was new. period.

napalitan narin ang CVT fluid at pinarecalibrate ko nung 2 years pa itong sasakyan. and now its turning 3 this coming feb 26.

and btw, the VIN of this vehicle is really different. ive been reading that it must have GD chassis? there is no GD in my chassis. instrad is PADCDxxxxxxxxxx and the engine number is different REFDxxxxx and the transmission is SERAxxxxxxxx. ive read that it must be SWRAxxxxxxxx and thats the CVT tranmision used in the jazz and city

can you please help me about this? hehe. bakit iba yung nababasa kong chassis ng mga ibang naka city? nababasa ko kasi talaga GD GD GD and yung bago is GE. applicable lang ba sa jazz yun?

[xircom]

suysuy, my chassis number is PADCDxxxxxxxxxx (same as yours), but my engine number is different REGDxxxxx (ayun ang GD). kung FD yung sa yo, civic yun di ba. yung latest jazz is GE, while the latest city is GM. i don't know my transmission number.

[suysuy]

*xircom

yay! REFD talaga akin eh. haha. civic engine itong akin? lmao! haha! 2006 model ba sa iyo?

[suysuy]

kukunin ko na unit ko mamaya. hindi pa na palitan. pero eligible na for warranty replacement. buti naman. post ko findings dito mamaya. hindi ata nila kayang ayusin kaya ayun palitan. buti nalang may warranty pa. 200k plus daw ata ang cvt trans eh

[suysuy]

update:

may darating na parts anytime. shift solenoid. if it does not fix the problem, the whole transmission will be replaced.

[jmpet626]

yung friend ko nag plano bumili ng 2nd hand na city na cvt.. Advisable pa kayang bumili ng 2nd hand since dami pala sakit ng CVT tranny?

[suysuy]

ipacheck mo kung kumpleto maintenance. ipatest drive mo din.

[mm15744]

jmpet, tell ur friend not to be afraid on CVT tranny. rare lng ung experience na tulad ni Suysuy, kumbaga eh talagang minalas lang si suysuy sa unit nya.

There are many CVT users here in tsikot na di naman sila nagkaka problem, ako rin my City is CVT and i love it, super smooth at wala me naging problem ever since.

For me, all types of tranny have their own % fall out. Sikat kasi ang CVT tranny dahil sa smoothness and fuel efficiency and yet with power kaya madalas itong napapag usapan at syempre nakukwestion ang reliability.

There are a lot of units roaming around in the road 2003 model CVT (2003 when CVT started by Honda) but still alive and kickin, that means reliable pa rin ito kasi japanese naman.

Bottom line, dapat well maintained para di magkaproblem at ganun naman sa lahat ng sasakyan.


Suy, update mo kame ha....

[suysuy]

hehe oo update ko kayo. kalalabas ko lang ospi. nagkaroon ako ng allergy. anyway, wala pa yung shift solenoid na part kaya wala pa na change. meanwhile, papunta ako ng casa. kukunin na namin yung bagong civic hehehe.

*all

reliable talaga yang CVT. kahit ako makakasabi. kahit may sira ang akin. talagang factory defect ata yun. or ano pa bang dahilan. purely malas lang din ata.

well, lets wait for the lancer users to "reklamo" something about their CVT's. even the old lancer has a CVT. ive read something sa net lancer bago, same symptoms sa city ko. they coined it as the "cvt bug"

iisang manufacturer lang ba ang cvt ng mitsu at honda? jatco ba?

[iammaki]

[quote=suysuy;1190533]*mm

yung napalitan ng CVT idsi. Kasali pala siya sa CVT recall dati. yung 2004 models and below. 2006 itong akin eh at facelifted na. hindi siya kasali sa 2004 recall. Kaya sabi ng supervisor, ako ata ang unang nagka problema or magpapa warranty ng CVT at VTEC pa. They are now super scrutinizing my unit now. Baka raw hindi sa CVT ang problema kundi engine. Dahil nag flufluctuate ang rpm ko at ang idle ko ang baba. But im definitely sure sa transmission ito. tulad ng sinabi ko sa isang post ko dito, i performed the stall test. and it is 2900-2950rpm. the tranny is slipping. its above service limits.

*suysuy - what do you mean kasali siya sa cvt recall dati. I own a 2004 honda 1.5 city cvt. Does this mean na recall ang CVT ko dapat?

Lately napansin ko na medyo ang gulo ng shifting niya. Nag over rev lagi. Di ko ma maintain yung rpm (for example - try to maintain it at 2000rpm tataas na lang bigla yung rpm niya then back to 2000rpm.) Hirap mag shift yung transmission. Lets say ilagay ko sa manual, i need more power just to shift from say 2nd to 3rd. Pag 7th na nag over rev pa rin.

Minsan para mag shift you need to step on the gas kasi parang stuck in one gear lang ang takbo niya. When you step on the gas harder para lang mag shift (lets say up to 3000rpm in order to shift) mag flash yung D niya. Pag nag flash yung D niya ang ginagawa ko lang is patayin yung makina then start again. Wala na flashing yung D.

Need help here.

[suysuy]

*iam

yun sabi sa akin ng supervisor eh,. tsaka ive read sa net may recall talaga yang batch na yan. try to google for infos. and that flashing D? thats a major problem., may service manual ako ng jazz dito which is also applicable to the city. may problema yang transmission mo if nag flaflash. maybe defective na ang belt mo kasi nag slislip na. or baka yung start stop clutch mo. yung CVT natin may clutch kasi eh. yun ang unang nasisira. kaya nag sli-slip

[istan]

Flashing D means overheated transmission oil on a Lancer. Consult your manual on what it means on a Honda.

[iammaki]

thanks for the info.any idea on how much start stop clutch costs or belt costs?

[suysuy]

the belt is i think unreplaceable. whole tranny nayan if belt and damaged. will cost 200k+

the start stop clutch can be replaced. however i dont know magkano.

vtec ba sa iyo sir or 1.3s? just be reminded na constant talaga ang rpm natin kasi CVT tayo. if you step on the gas harder, the rpm will steadily climb and stay there (peak power)

but you said the D flashes. may problema talaga yan. i'll post the description of the flashing D mamaya. titingnan ko sa service manual

[suysuy]

oops vtec pala sayo sir hehe. ngayon ko lang nabasa hehe. anyway, may wierd feeling ba pag flash ng D?

[iammaki]

my problem is that it cannot stay constant in a certain rev. I can't hold it in 2000rpm. It suddenly goes up to say 2200 then drops down to 2000 then goes up again and again. sometimes it goes up to 3000rpm. Weird talaga behaviour. I can't control the revs.

actually very seldom mag flash ng D. But when it flashes it feels like i'm driving in one gear lang. Maybe its the CVT fluid nga and i hope it is. I check its level using standard procedure and noticed that it is way down the cold level ng indicator niya. I believe dapat nasa hot indicator yung level niya.



*suysuy do you have the link where that is saying na recall nga sya?

[istan]

The cause "MAYBE" a wrong transmission fluid or if COLD pa sya when you were driving for at least 20 mins, then you LACK transmission fluid.
For CVTs, please take care of the transmission like placing a right transmission fluid. Even 1 quart of the wrong transmission fluid placed in there will ruin a perfectly good CVT.
CVTs are non servicable. If its broken, replace yan with a new one.
Did you already change the transmission fluid? By Casa or By someone else?
I heard that some Honda CVTs were ruined by Honda by changing the fluid to a normal tranny fluid.

[istan]

IamMaki: Sounds like your tranny lacks fluid, thats why its sticking. CVT shifts by use of fluids. Lack of fluid = doesn't shift properly. Refill it with CVT tranny fluid, get back to us if its fixed.

[suysuy]

eto pero sa malaysia. but the supervisor said na apektado daw talaga 2004 models below. kaya im sure same lang ito sa atin ang recall na ito

http://paultan.org/archives/2006/02/...rade-exercise/

well anyway, the issue here is that they put the wrong oil. ATf ang nailagay. dapat CVTF. baka start stop clutch lang yan or mali ang fluid.