NLEX, SCTEX, Over-Speeding, Speed-Radar [MERGED Threads]

[boybi]

100kph is the mandated speed limit. But they allow speeds of up to 120kph. Maybe to correct for any inaccuracies in their speed gun reading?

I traverse the whole stretch of NLEX at least once a week and neved had I encountered any of the official vehicles of NLEX going faster than my speed (cruise controlled at 115kph), except for those BMW motorcycles.

[CVT]

So if somebody is speeding, does that mean that these radar vehicles are limited to 100kph and won't be able to catch the offenders? That defeats the purpose of their existence in the first place. You have to be able to get evidence as well, but since we do not have static speed traps unlike other countries do, the best way is to follow them so they can possibly track down the license plate and corresponding speed.

I say that is a good thing, because at least you know somebody will chase you down if you go beyond the limit. There's a fine line between enforcing the law and being unable to enforce it due to the same law.

The reason they do not track at night is the same reason why speed detectors are only used in the daytime - the detected speed becomes inaccurate at night.

Agree here... Sa HW5 nga, ang bibilis magpatakbo ng mga police cars, oovertake-an ka with their lights flashing and their sirens blaring... At magpapa-ese-ese sa harapan mo.... Dapat balik ka na sa tamang speed. Kung hindi, huli ka..... Buti na lang hindi ako hinuli....

6505:Bath:

[roberto_minosa]

So if somebody is speeding, does that mean that these radar vehicles are limited to 100kph and won't be able to catch the offenders? That defeats the purpose of their existence in the first place. You have to be able to get evidence as well, but since we do not have static speed traps unlike other countries do, the best way is to follow them so they can possibly track down the license plate and corresponding speed.

I say that is a good thing, because at least you know somebody will chase you down if you go beyond the limit. There's a fine line between enforcing the law and being unable to enforce it due to the same law.

The reason they do not track at night is the same reason why speed detectors are only used in the daytime - the detected speed becomes inaccurate at night.

To clear things up, I would like to reiterate that as far as I know, the NLEX people catch speeders going southbound at the Bocaue Toll Barrier...this means that they actually do not have a cop car that would chase down vehicles that go beyond 100km/h...

And about empirical evidence...I will post a picture (or upload a video via YouTube) if ever I catch these crews speeding again...

[Dr.Kamiya]

They're the cops, it's their prerogative if they want/need to go beyond the speed limit so long as they're on-duty. Now kung off-duty sila and speeding that's another matter entirely.

Anyways, rather than ranting here, why not take note of the vehicle's plate number (or whatever ID number they have posted on it) and call the NLEX hotline about it?

[mazdamazda]

They're the cops, it's their prerogative if they want/need to go beyond the speed limit so long as they're on-duty. Now kung off-duty sila and speeding that's another matter entirely.

+1

It's their prerogative. Plus the unofficial speed limit there is around 120kph.

You don't know if they are responding to an emergency or something.

this means that they actually do not have a cop car that would chase down vehicles that go beyond 100km/h...

I have seen their patrol bikes in action, giving chase to reckless drivers.

[coiter]

maybe that's how they monitor the other cars' speed. by going over the speed limit and checking who's going faster than them.

[roberto_minosa]

I quote myself...

...the NLEX people catch speeders going southbound at the Bocaue Toll Barrier...they pull over the speeders at the toll gate...

...I will post a picture (or upload a video via YouTube) if ever I catch these crews speeding again...

I have no idea whether they also catch speeders going northbound and how they do it.

This thread is made just to show the decline of discipline among law enforcers regardless of jurisdiction.

[roberto_minosa]

Anyways, rather than ranting here, why not take note of the vehicle's plate number (or whatever ID number they have posted on it) and call the NLEX hotline about it?

Sir, this is the "Goon Squad HQ". I believe it's my right to say here relevant things that are unfair for my part. I just didn't like the term you used. Thanks.

[bluemica]

wala naman tayo magagawa diyan. they can always say to their superiors na nagrerespond sila to something or may emergency. we can't expect them to explain to all of us kung magreklamo man tayo. besides they seem ok to me.. sana taasan lang speed limit to..um... 180? hehehe

[ghosthunter]

wala naman tayo magagawa diyan. they can always say to their superiors na nagrerespond sila to something or may emergency. we can't expect them to explain to all of us kung magreklamo man tayo. besides they seem ok to me.. sana taasan lang speed limit to..um... 180? hehehe

Seriously, even increasing the speed limit to 120 or 130kph would shorten travel times and make the trip less boring while only marginally increasing FC.

[mbeige]

In the interest of safety I would highly recommend that private passenger vehicles (cars, SUV, van, etc) would have a higher speed limit than commercial/utility vehicles (such as trucks, delivery vans, semi trailer, etc). That way the speed limit can be increased for vehicles that can utilize this, while for safety's sake trucks and the like should remain slower, for obvious reasons (physics).

130kph is already equivalent to around 80mph which is quite fast for road conditions over there. Hindi naman ganoon kaganda ang kalsada dyan, mahirap na to increase the speed limit that much. Maybe 110 or 120kph pwede pa. Also note that there are a significant number of commercial vehicles that are not well maintained, some aren't even maintained at all. I would not want to lift the speed limit for these vehicles if the current one works already. We all know the Pinoy mentality na if you give in to their demand there will be some who will exploit that.

There's no need to get empirical evidence for these "enforcers" because, as Dr. Kamiya stated, it's their domain of control and it's their prerogative

[OTEP]

AFAIK, official tollway vehicles can go 'as fast as conditions permit' meaning they are not bound by a numerical speed limit. They can run flat out on clear weather days and when traffic density is low. However, due caution is still mandated when driving through construction zones, accident scenes, during inclement weather and when in high density traffic. Unlike regular joe vehicles, NLEX organic vehicles are fitted with high visibility livery (aka body graphics) as well as visual and audible warning systems (light bars, sirens, rear facing road advisors) which allow them to maintain an acceptable level of safety while operating at high speeds.

The company I work for is the official EMS/rescue service provider of the NLEX and SCTEX. On some days you can see the guys running the huge vans flat out because response times are being recorded and too keep the drivers in good condition always.

Personally, I wish speed limits on the NLEX be repealed and the enforcement units should focus more on apprehending left lane blockers [WAKE UP IT'S 2008, the left lane is NO longer the fast lane, its the OVERTAKING ONLY lane] and in enforcing vehicle regulations against vehicles unfit to travel at expressway speeds (bulok, overloaded, equipment violations, etc.)

[ghosthunter]

Personally, I wish speed limits on the NLEX be repealed and the enforcement units should focus more on apprehending left lane blockers [WAKE UP IT'S 2008, the left lane is NO longer the fast lane, its the OVERTAKING ONLY lane] and in enforcing vehicle regulations against vehicles unfit to travel at expressway speeds (bulok, overloaded, equipment violations, etc.)

+1

[promdiboy]

Im confused, anong gamit nila pang huli sa nlex radar or laser? I thought may speed trap na may nagdedetect na radar kung over 100kph ka, anong use nung white innova and hilux? sa pagkakaalam ko kasi speed guns can only be used pag stationary yung namamril.

[boybi]

Naka stationary yung mga patrol cars nila kung nanghuhuli ng overspeeding.

[promdiboy]

kala ko tumatakbo din tapos titirahin ka, meron din pala laser sa nlex kala ko radar lang. I bought a radar detector once ko palang natry sa nlex, wasnt able to detect any radar. dito sa amin mga laser speed guns tunog ng tunog. sipag manghuli mga pulis dito.

[roberto_minosa]

There's no need to get empirical evidence for these "enforcers" because, as Dr. Kamiya stated, it's their domain of control and it's their prerogative

Ok. But actually, Dr. Kamiya obliged me to post the plate number of the speeding NLEX vehicle to make my "ranting" legitimate.
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Hmmmm...

Ok, ok. The way you guys see it, it's probably not our business if we see these vehicles speeding. After all, they are not bound by the rules that they set themselves provided that the conditions permit them to go flat out as long as they want...now, the issue becomes:

Why can't we go flat out if the conditions permit? Hey, the NLEX guys do it. And we are surely not stupid enough to do it in the wrong conditions, right? After all, we passed all those "stringent" LTO tests before we get to hold a driver's license. Please read twice to fully understand the premises.

You know what, I speed A LOT. A little over 100 doesn't seem bad for me but I just hate the feeling of being watched over by some cop who's gonna pull me over when I go 120 but he does it all the time...it's the same feeling whenever I see a regular PNP motorcycle riding cop who never wears a helmet and beats the red light but never gets busted for it. I thought you guys would understand my "rants and raves" on this matter. And after all the explanation, argument, and premises, whew. Nevermind. Let's all speed.

[B2Bomber]

Why can't we go flat out if the conditions permit?

I guess one reason could be, 'coz you're in their "house". You follow their rules. Seriously though, IMHO - it's for control. If every body was allowed to go flat out that includes the "not so stupid enough" people and "stupid enough" people. i.e. I guess, as you say, the "not stupid enough" people will not do it in the wrong conditions...BUT -- what about the really "stupid enough" people? Tendency is they'll hurt themselves and might even include "not stupid enough" people.

Not everybody who use the NLEX may be as good a driver at really high speeds. Most of those really high speed drivers IMO need not be in public roads anyway to quench their NFS coz they could always get their fix in BRC, or other "certified" speedways -- against high speed drivers like themselves.

For the speed, I would have to agree with the guys. That they are allowed a leeway specially in enforcing their duty. BUT with regards to helmets then I'd have to agree with you. But not just because of breaking the (helmet) law. But because of their own safety.

.02 IMHO

[ghosthunter]

Any updated news on the NLEX/SCTEX speed radars/lasers?

[Type 100]

120 is fine on NLEX and SCTEX. You shouldn't have any issues with that speed especially if the stretch of road is clean - meaning no traffic around you.

I run the same speed on both highways and haven't been pulled over yet.

i agree with sir WILDTHING....last saturday nasa 110 to 120 ako sa nlex hindi ako pinara sa exit.

sir wildthing...OT. ask ko lang hindi po ba nagbabago ung accuracy ng speedometer pagpalit ka ng size ng mags and tires mo? di ba calibrated cya sa orig na set up ng mags and tires?

Actually this is a good idea.
There are ways of maintaining this and minimizing speedometer error. It's called the "plus-one" concept.

You might want to hit this link for more information.
http://www.carbibles.com/tire_bible.html

A long read, but worth it. Even has a JavaScript calculator to tell you the potential speedometer error for your planned wheel/tire size change.