4AGE Black Top Engine! Your thoughts....

[toyotacorona92]

oo nga po ano po fuel consumption ng BT? gusto ko pa yun mas matipid sa makina ng corona ko

pwede kaya kabitan BT engine sa toyota corona92?
may napag try naba?

[ghosthunter]

oo nga po ano po fuel consumption ng BT? gusto ko pa yun mas matipid sa makina ng corona ko

pwede kaya kabitan BT engine sa toyota corona92?
may napag try naba?

The 4AGE BT will not have enough torque to properly power the Corona. In the end you will use even more fuel to move the heavy chassis.

If you want to reduce your Corona's fuel bill, best to find ways to lighten the car's total weight. Example you can remove the full size spare and have a donut spare, heavy metal hazard warning triangles replaced by lightweight plastic collapsing orange traffic cones.

Or you can convert your car to LPG.

[toyotacorona92]

The 4AGE BT will not have enough torque to properly power the Corona. In the end you will use even more fuel to move the heavy chassis.

If you want to reduce your Corona's fuel bill, best to find ways to lighten the car's total weight. Example you can remove the full size spare and have a donut spare, heavy metal hazard warning triangles replaced by lightweight plastic collapsing orange traffic cones.

Or you can convert your car to LPG.

tnx kuya ghosthunter sa reply
pero bat yun iba naman po nakalagay sa corolla Gli kayang kaya naman po sa laki halos pareho lang ng corona 92 sa bigat halos di ganun nag kakalayu corola Gli 97 kasi sasakyan ng tatay ko kaya medyo natatansya ko sya. saka fuel consumption ok pa naman corona92 halos same din sa tatay ko pagpumupunta sya dito samin sa dasma cavite from makati haws namin 500Php lang w/aircon sama trapik same din ng Fuel consumption corona92 ko 500 lang din . yun lang po naghahahanap pa ako mas matipid saka lakas hatak gaya ng nabasa ko thread about Bt mukhang enjoy na enjoy sila sa power and fuel consumption
meron na kaya nakapag try ?

pwede din po yun Lpg kaso mawawalan ako space sa likod impt pa naman po skin mga gamit ng baata dun ko nilalagay parang 2nd haws nanamin ito hehehehe saka dami ko nakwe2han na taxi driver ayaw nila LPG marami daw kasamahan nila nag kakasakit ..di raw ganun katibay katagalan nag kakaamoy na pumapasok na loob ng sasakyan nakakatipid ka nga pero yari naman kalusugan mo out muna LPG sa list

binigyan ako ng kuya ko ng gas saver galing sa accord nya pero wala pa din effect maingay pa sa makina yun ayoko ng ganun parang sasabog hehehehe
pasensya na kuya sa noob question po as in wala talaga ako alam gamit lang ngyon pa lang nag aaral sa makina

salamat po advice kuya
tinangal ko na pabigat sa saksakyan

[ellerboy]

Mga sir, i'm thinking of getting a BT for my ae101. ano po ang fuel consumption ng BT and what are the things that i have to change sa stock car ko (rear disc brakes, etc) para worry free. and madali lang ba ang parts nito if ever may mga kelangan ayusin?

[RC-V]

tanong ko lang kung pwede yan sa vios (although i dont own one)? ask ko din ano Fuel Consumption nito.

[niky]

Anything is possible if you ahve patience and money. There's one guy who even swapped a Blacktop into a Mazda3.

But should you do it? No. You'll have a hell of a time matching incompatible generations of electronics (the instrument gauges may be a problem) and you're swapping out a more modern engine for an older one. It makes more sense to just turbocharge the stock engine of the Vios.

[RC-V]

thanks for the reply niky.

[lhance evo]

I was told that this engine is great, power in less fuel consumption. Please post a reply about your experience with the engine and please clarify if this engine really do have vvti. thanks

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sir bago lang po ako d2 any advise nman sir regarding sa engine swap..my car is also xl bigbody but silvertop lng po yun gusto ko ipalit kc medyo mabigat yata yun blacktop according to you when it comes spending money...more or less magkano yun ilalabas kong pera not included yun modification cguro after n lng yun basta tumakbo lng muna ng maayos yun oto..w/o modification...saka nga pala sir advise din po between blocktop and silvertop when it comes po sa horse power nya and fuel consumption..thnks po sir!

[alwayz_yummy]

tanong ko lang kung pwede yan sa vios (although i dont own one)? ask ko din ano Fuel Consumption nito.

luma na ang black top....2zz-ge na palit mo dyan...6MT or 5AT... kung sswertihan ka--supercharged 2zz-ge

[4agze]

Note: All dyno test was done on AE86 chassis

Generations of 4AG motors, 4age silvertop and blacktop has NO 1st and 2nd gen
http://www.club4ag.com/technical_main.htm


Lets do this as a scientific method instead of he says vs she says, Ive been playing with 4ag's for 6 yrs now and I'll say I'm still fascinated on this motor vs every other motor I've own. Dyno sheets are best way to tell the truth note that all measurements are done by WHP (wheel horse power)

The blacktop 20V is a very good motor, has a very good mid to high trq range, but on the lower end trq not much. For personal experience what I like about it is you can maintain or stay on a high rev band, blacktop is more tune able than the silvertop due to its MAF. Not bad for 134whp open ITB's
a club4ag member's dyno sheet


4yrs ago I had a stock 4agze from an AE101 w/ a MAP ECU is good, it has a lower to mid range trq. I remember a friend drove my car saying instant trq, I say its not as responsive as i like it to be but Ill fix that. 160whp is not much but I wanted more than 157 lbs trq

[4agze]

3 years ago my brother talked to me wanted to have a every competitive motor more than what his 4ag red top high comp motor. at that same year a topic appeared on club4ag about most N2 AE86 are running 16V 4ag's, that makes very good amount of hp and trq. so we researched from internet to buying all volumes of the levin trueno magazines. we came across i think on vol#8 or 9 a shop from japan made a hybrid 4age, basically took all the good parts from all 4ag's 16v and 20V and combined them all to make a 16V hybrid. so we looked at each other and set to copy that, on the article i says he used a 20V silvertop bottom block (knowing this we found out that the silvertop block is stronger than the blacktop), a blacktop crank (due to its lightness) & blacktop Connecting Rod (lighter than the silvertop) by using the club4ag forum as our market place we got all what we needed after 6 months. what we end up is this "a weird looking 16V"


so to see how competitive this motor is we took it to 4ag challenge on willow springs track, best of the best 4ag's are tested










We didn't finish first but 5th will do w/ all oem internals put together, the information we got made up from all long moths and hard work.

[tanatej]

Man, to actually get the chance to own a LHD Trueno and a PROPER racetrack... bakit napakahirap pumunta ng isteyts? huhuhuhu

[babkalakal]

luma na ang black top....2zz-ge na palit mo dyan...6MT or 5AT... kung sswertihan ka--supercharged 2zz-ge

ok. ilang naman kayang 2zz-ge meron sa surplus ngayon let alone yun supercharged? at assuming mkahanap nga baka naman napaka mamahal pa nyan dahil kabago bago pa nun makina.

[babkalakal]

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sir bago lang po ako d2 any advise nman sir regarding sa engine swap..my car is also xl bigbody but silvertop lng po yun gusto ko ipalit kc medyo mabigat yata yun blacktop according to you when it comes spending money...more or less magkano yun ilalabas kong pera not included yun modification cguro after n lng yun basta tumakbo lng muna ng maayos yun oto..w/o modification...saka nga pala sir advise din po between blocktop and silvertop when it comes po sa horse power nya and fuel consumption..thnks po sir!

sir medyo parehong bangka tayo. noon kino-consider ko pa nga din 3sge para swap kaso mahal na masyado. ang laki kasi ng price difference ng black at silvertop for a few HP gained. wala naman ako balak mag modify masyado siguro bolt-on lang at the most kaya silvertop nalang. may nabasa ako dito sa tsikot noon na for a big body or sa case ko nga corona macho pa (tipid sa tranny dahil 3AU na hehe) get a sliver or black top for that matter then keep it stock it is already a powerful engine. it will serve you well reliably just be sure to do regular maintenance.

[4agze]

Man, to actually get the chance to own a LHD Trueno and a PROPER racetrack... bakit napakahirap pumunta ng isteyts? huhuhuhu

Me and my brother are blessed to own 2, just like any other Filipino we love our old school Toyota...but one thing we don't do is car shows

[Eller]

*babkalakal: di po ba mahirap patinuin ang silver top? dami ko kasi nakikita sa mga thread na palaging may problema ang silvertop nila...

[SlackeR]

if your not going to race and stay stock BT will do but if you plan to change some internals go ST..

as for ST problems get it rewired and use a BT Box

[babkalakal]

naku i can't speak with any finality about kung mahirap ba paganahin ang silvertop but i can relate yung experience namin ng pamangkin ko who owns the car.

Maswerte siguro kami at relatively straight forward yung nakuha namin silvertop just make sure complete lahat ng sensors ecu and the wiring harness and they all work correctly. compression and leakdown test syempre at also as a rule kahit gaano pa kalinis tingnan yung makina basta amoy sunog ang langis walk away immediately. mas ok pa yung madumi makina basta walang amoy sunog. also its well worth to have a professional with the skill and expertise to install or at least help installing at tuning the damn thing. Worth every peso.

if i would care to venture a guess installing and tuning a silvertop is only as hard as transplanting most of the other engine candidates of the same era out there commonly involved in swaps.

[ellerboy]

if your not going to race and stay stock BT will do but if you plan to change some internals go ST..

as for ST problems get it rewired and use a BT Box

Slacker: If i get an ST and have it properly rewired during installation and get a BT box, will it still be cheaper than getting a BT altogether?

Or is it better to just get the BT?

[renzo_d10]

Up ko lang ....

Tanong ko lang, how much is the black top engine kung magpapaconvert all in all ?

And, anyone knows a shop that offers a BT engine at a reasonable price ?

tia !