Smartphone and Cellphone Wars

[pop3corn]

Hi, this question isn't meant to troll or anything, but what exactly does getting a more expensive Android give over some other phone that's a third of its price?

I kinda find the larger screen, better camera, and faster hardware to be too marginal given the huge price difference between, say, a Galaxy Ace and a Galaxy S3.

I'm pretty new to this whole droid ecosystem since I've been a Nokia Symbian user since I was a teenager. Unfortunately my E71 got stolen a few months ago, so I had no choice but to change my phone.

Originally I was gonna get a BB Curve 9220, but for a little less money I was able to get an HTC Chacha. Sure it only runs on Gingerbread (though I tried an ICS rom but didn't quite like it) and has crappy battery life, but at least it's got the QWERTY form factor that I prize most. Comparing it to more expensive droids, what difference is there in functionality? What exactly can't I do in my cheap phone that I can do with an S3 or One X?

U know what really don't make sense at all is they buy an expensive samsung android phone, where most people can afford even a cherry android phone at 2,999 each., thinking that it's an apple equal.

The hardware is just half the investment, the software is what is truly deal breaker here. Why pay a premium over something that can be had with less than 3k. The android is FREE! It doesnt cost anything, coz even a lowly brand cherry can have it installed in their hardware.

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[beni23]

A mobile phone is foremost a phone. Any phone can call and text. It depends how you use it. Unless you take advantage of the other features such as websurfing, gaming, video playback, etc...or just want to show off, there is no need for a high end phone.

It's like why buy a Toyota Camry when a cheap China car can get me from point A to point B...

Agree with the high end phone di naman talaga kelangan, pero kung may business ka at kelangan mo ng mga loyalist you have to get the high end of the high ends para mapaniwala mo silang you are in power. Lalo na sa ballpens, kelangan naka-cross ka na pipirma ng mga contracts. Hehe

Sa camry naman vs a china car, iba naman yun. Lalo na sa safety features.


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[LiempoBoi]

i don't use any battery saver app. there's a very good chance your wifi is the main culprit of your short battery life. have you tried turning the wifi off and see how long the battery lasts?

aside from wifi, be sure that 3G is disabled if you're not browsing thru cellular

Salamat ulit sa info mga sir. Hindi ko na kinuha yung battery saver app. Try ko yung suggestion niyo tapos update ko kayo kung ano yung result. Pero sa ngayon, tiningnan ko yung battery use dun sa settings. isa rin siguro yung screen kaya malakas sa battery. Minsan ko nalang siguro iwake kapag nakasleep. Napansin ko, kahit hindi nagrurun yung app, kumukuha pa rin ng ram.

Ito yung screenshots (resized):
RAM consumption. Yung 200Mb+ kinukuha daw ng Android OS kaya daw lumalabas na 700Mb+


Battery (Hindi ko alam kung accurate ito)


Screen Brightness (tiningnan ko yung batter consumption nasa lowest na yung brightness)

[ghosthunter]

Agree with the high end phone di naman talaga kelangan, pero kung may business ka at kelangan mo ng mga loyalist you have to get the high end of the high ends para mapaniwala mo silang you are in power. Lalo na sa ballpens, kelangan naka-cross ka na pipirma ng mga contracts. Hehe

Sa camry naman vs a china car, iba naman yun. Lalo na sa safety features.


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I think the analogy of high end phones vs high end pens is wrong.

High end pens still only do one thing, help you write. Its a mark of prestige and luxury.

But a high end smartphone does more things than just call and txt. It is a convergence device where you can do much more with it than the sum of it's parts. So aside from the obvious call/txt functions, you can browse the internet, chat with people using several software like Skype, etc, read a book, watch a video, listen to music, take pictures, send picture to a friend via internet, bluetooth, NFC, etc, provide internet wifi service to other devices, scan barcodes for other data, record voice/audio, take down notes, daily scheduler, photo/video editor, photo album, weather portal, calculator, currency converter, gaming device, and more.

It just needs that the user/owner is aware and knowledgable to maximize the use of his device.

But if the owner/user is just limiting his use to call, txt and to the pre-installed apps, then any basic smartphone would be fine.

[Monseratto]

When it's not broken why change it...Perils of Window 8, a tablet OS turned into a desktop OS.

It ain't consumer friendly for one thing... Windows 9 anyone?

Early look at Windows 8 baffles consumers

10:06AM EDT October 20. 2012 -

NEW YORK (AP) — The release of Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system is a week away, and consumers are in for a shock. Windows, used in one form or another for a generation, is getting a completely different look that will force users to learn new ways to get things done.

Microsoft is making a radical break with the past to stay relevant in a world where smartphones and tablets have eroded the three-decade dominance of the personal computer. Windows 8 is supposed to tie together Microsoft's PC, tablet and phone software with one look. But judging by the reactions of some people who have tried the PC version, it's a move that risks confusing and alienating customers.

Tony Roos, an American missionary in Paris, installed a free preview version of Windows 8 on his aging laptop to see if Microsoft's new operating system would make the PC faster and more responsive. It didn't, he said, and he quickly learned that working with the new software requires tossing out a lot of what he knows about Windows.

"It was very difficult to get used to," he said. "I have an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old, and they never got used to it. They were like, 'We're just going to use Mom's computer.'"

Windows 8 is the biggest revision of Microsoft Corp.'s operating system since it introduced Windows 95 amid great fanfare 17 years ago. Ultimately, Windows grew into a $14 billion a year business and helped make former Chief Executive Bill Gates the richest man in the world for a time. Now, due to smartphones and tablets, the personal computer industry is slumping. Computer companies are desperate for something that will get sales growing again. PC sales are expected to shrink this year for the first time since 2001, according to IHS iSuppli, a market research firm.

The question is whether the new version, which can be run on tablets and smartphones, along with the traditional PC, can satisfy the needs of both types of users.

"I am very worried that Microsoft may be about to shoot itself in the foot spectacularly," said. Michael Mace, the CEO of Silicon Valley software startup Cera Technology and a former Apple employee. Windows 8 is so different, he said, that many Windows users who aren't technophiles will feel lost, he said.

Microsoft is releasing Windows 8 on Oct. 26, and it doesn't plan to cushion the impact. Computer companies will make Windows 8 standard on practically all PCs that are sold to consumers.

Speaking to Wall Street analysts on Thursday, Microsoft's chief financial officer Peter Klein said he isn't very concerned that user confusion could slow the adoption of Windows 8. When Microsoft introduces new features, he said, people eventually realize that "those innovations have delivered way more value, way more productivity and way better usability." That's going to be true of Windows 8 too, he said.

Instead of the familiar Start menu and icons, Windows 8 displays applications as a colorful array of tiles, which can feature updated information from the applications. For instance, the "Photos" tile shows an image from the user's collection, and the "People" tile shows images from the user's social-media contacts. (Microsoft is licensed to use AP content in the Windows 8 news applications.)

The tiles are big and easy to hit with a finger — convenient for a touch screen. Applications fill the whole screen by default — convenient for a tablet screen, which is usually smaller than a PC's. The little buttons that surround Windows 7 applications, for functions like controlling the speaker volume, are hidden, giving a clean, uncluttered view. When you need those little buttons, you can bring them out, but users have to figure out on their own how to do it.

"In the quest for simplicity, they sacrificed obviousness," said Sebastiaan de With, an interface designer and the chief creative officer at app developer DoubleTwist in San Francisco.

Technology blogger Chris Pirillo posted a YouTube video of his father using a preview version of Windows 8 for the first time. As the elder Pirillo tours the operating system with no help from his son, he blunders into the old "Desktop" environment and can't figure out how to get back to the Start tiles. (Hint: Move the mouse cursor into the top right corner of the screen, then swipe down to the "Start" button that appears, and click it. On a touch screen, swipe a finger in from the right edge of the screen to reveal the Start button.) The four-minute video has been viewed more than 1.1 million times since it was posted in March.

"There are many things that are hidden," said Raluca Budiu, a user experience specialist with Nielsen Norman Group. "Once users discover them, they have to remember where they are. People will have to work hard and use this system on a regular basis."

Mace, the software CEO, has used every version of Windows since version 2.0, which came out in 1987. Each one, he said, built upon the previous one. Users didn't need to toss out their old ways of doing things when new software came along. Windows 8 ditches that tradition of continuity, he said.

"Most Windows users don't view their PCs as being broken to begin with. If you tell them 'Oh, here's a new version of Windows, and you have to relearn everything to use it,' how many normal users are going to want to do that?" he asked.

The familiar Windows Desktop is still available through one of the tiles, and most programs will open up in that environment. But since the Start button is gone, users will have to flip back and forth between the desktop and the tile screen.

There's additional potential for confusion because there's one version of Windows 8, called "Windows RT," that looks like the PC version but doesn't run regular Windows programs. It's intended for tablets and lightweight tablet-laptop hybrids.

Budiu believes the transition to Windows 8 will be most difficult for PC users, because Microsoft's design choices favor touch screens rather than mice and keyboards. Alex Wukovich, a Londoner who tried Windows 8 on a friend's laptop, agrees.

"On a desktop, it just felt really weird," he said. "It feels like it's a tablet operating system that Microsoft managed to twist and shoehorn onto a desktop."

Not everyone who has tried Windows 8 agrees with the critics.

Sheldon Skaggs, a Web developer in Charlotte, N.C., thought he was going to hate Windows 8, but he needed to do something to speed up his 5-year-old laptop. So he installed the new software.

"After a bit of a learning curve and playing around with it a bit more, you get used to it, surprisingly," he said.

The computer now boots up faster than it did with Windows Vista, he said.

Vista was Microsoft's most recent operating-system flop. It was seen as so clunky and buggy when released in 2007 that many PC users sat out the upgrade cycle and waited for Windows 7, which arrived two and a half years later. Companies and other institutions wait much longer than consumers to upgrade their software, and many will keep paying for Windows 7. Many companies are still using Windows XP, released in 2001.

Colin Gillis, an analyst at BGC Financial, is optimistic about Windows 8, pointing out that it's snappy and runs well on PCs with limited processing power, making it suited for compact, tablet-style machines. But he also notes that through Microsoft's history, roughly every other operating-system release has been a letdown.

Intel Corp. makes the processors that go into 80 percent of PCs, and has a strong interest in the success of Windows. CEO Paul Otellini said Tuesday that when the company has let consumers try Windows 8 on expensive "ultrabook" laptops with touch screens, "the feedback is universally positive." But he told analysts that he doesn't really know if people will embrace Windows 8 for mainstream PCs.

"We'll know a lot more about this 90 days from now," he said.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

[LiempoBoi]

yup screen and wifi yung culprit kaya medyo magastos sa battery yung phone. nasa 70% ngayon yung level mula full charge. minsan lang ginamit yung screen at wifi tapos walang background application na tumatakbo. hindi ko din ginamit yung gps. salamat ulit sa mga nagreply.

[Monseratto]

yup screen and wifi yung culprit kaya medyo magastos sa battery yung phone. nasa 70% ngayon yung level mula full charge. minsan lang ginamit yung screen at wifi tapos walang background application na tumatakbo. hindi ko din ginamit yung gps. salamat ulit sa mga nagreply.

Sakit ng HTC talaga iyan, di tumatagal yung battery...

[stavros]

U know what really don't make sense at all is they buy an expensive samsung android phone, where most people can afford even a cherry android phone at 2,999 each., thinking that it's an apple equal.

The hardware is just half the investment, the software is what is truly deal breaker here. Why pay a premium over something that can be had with less than 3k. The android is FREE! It doesnt cost anything, coz even a lowly brand cherry can have it installed in their hardware.

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Wag mo kase generalized na pag android lahat ng cp pwede. Mali yung gamitin lang ang term na android. May version din yan. Hindi mo pwede install ang latest version sa mga low end units, just like ang ios version,hindi pwede sa low end iphone ang latest release. pag hindi kase alam ang sinasabi wag na magmarunong. Kaya ka lagi inaaway dito eh.:D

[pop3corn]

Wag mo kase generalized na pag android lahat ng cp pwede. Mali yung gamitin lang ang term na android. May version din yan. Hindi mo pwede install ang latest version sa mga low end units, just like ang ios version,hindi pwede sa low end iphone ang latest release. pag hindi kase alam ang sinasabi wag na magmarunong. Kaya ka lagi inaaway dito eh.:D

Lam ko naman yun eh kung anung dessert pa nakalagay sa iba't ibang phone brands ng android.

But the big picture is it's android vs. windows 8 vs. ios, most have it's core phone operations present in all system versions, so same banana lang, in the most basic sense, the devices will differentiated by os, not the versions.

Android just implies cheap coz it's free, it's installed on china-made tablets, it's installed on some car HU, in fact, it's even given for free ata sa pLDT touchpad/telpad.

So what's really happening with all your investments sa phone, sobrang dami naman android phones sa market, ace, galaxy, note, tapos meron pa LG, HTC. so many brands, so many iterations, if you're gonna sell your android a year from now, chances are 2nd hand buyers wouldn't be familiar with its specific model and capabilities.



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[Monseratto]

So what's really happening with all your investments sa phone, sobrang dami naman android phones sa market, ace, galaxy, note, tapos meron pa LG, HTC. so many brands, so many iterations, if you're gonna sell your android a year from now, chances are 2nd hand buyers wouldn't be familiar with its specific model and capabilities.



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OB, it's the same thing with laptops and desktop computers, so many iterations and specs...what's the big deal?

[Retz]

^

may pagka "exclusive" image kasi pag apple ios ang gamit kumpara sa android. yan ata puntos ni ob. pag mac naman, ung mac os.

[LiempoBoi]

^

may pagka "exclusive" image kasi pag apple ios ang gamit kumpara sa android. yan ata puntos ni ob. pag mac naman, ung mac os.

para sa akin parang magkalevel lang lahat ng mga operating system. hindi ko rin gets kung bakit bawal magtransfer ng file via bluetooth sa iOS? hindi po ako apple hater...iclaro ko lang po.

[shadow]

Pwede ba conference sa iMessage?


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[pop3corn]

Pwede ba conference sa iMessage?

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Yep shadow but text pa lng


You'll know if the txt is free Kung blue ang background Ng imessages, if it's green then the iPhone shifted to SMS, so charge ka. Usually this happens pag NASA isolated ka na Luger with weak 3G

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[shadow]

Ano ka ba OB, I know that, what I'm asking pwede ba conference like multiple users sa single thread sa iMessage?


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[ghosthunter]

Ano ka ba OB, I know that, what I'm asking pwede ba conference like multiple users sa single thread sa iMessage?

OB is having a conference call with myself.

[pop3corn]

Ano ka ba OB, I know that, what I'm asking pwede ba conference like multiple users sa single thread sa iMessage?

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You mean more than 3 people txting, di ko ma-gets

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[CoDer]

Ano ka ba OB, I know that, what I'm asking pwede ba conference like multiple users sa single thread sa iMessage?


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Olats to si OB, masyadong hibang sa fruit.

[LiempoBoi]

OB, kamusta experience mo sa IOS6?

[asb75]

Clone PC with Mac IOS