What about articulated buses?

[cripple_rooster]

These ones are usually 18-metre long, power goes from 210HP to 370HP, and the transmission is always automatic. Originally intended to be used in segregated tracks, but have been popular in bigger Brazilian cities due to the high passenger demand in some routes and the maneuverability is not so bad at all. Would this be a good option to Manila?

[ghosthunter]

It would just eat up more road space without much gains.

A double decker bus would actually be a better solution. It would half the road space (used by two buses). BUT the problem with double decker buses in Manila is the vertical clearance between the road and overpasses.

[baludoy]

meron na iyan dati sa manila. kung di ako nagkakamali megabus pa ata tawag dyan dati. edsa lang ata ang biyahe nung mga bus na iyan before

[ghosthunter]

meron na iyan dati sa manila. kung di ako nagkakamali megabus pa ata tawag dyan dati. edsa lang ata ang biyahe nung mga bus na iyan before

Yup. I think the problem was maintenance of these specialized buses.

[niky]

Maintenance itself isn't the issue. The issue is the huge discrepancy in passenger volume from peak to off-peak hours. Such a bus would be tremendously inefficient during off-peak hours, which means that there's no incentive for private companies to run them. If the bus lines were government run, or if line franchises were exclusive or limited to prevent over-competition, you could run buses like these on high-volume routes like EDSA.

[uls]

ngek

articulated buses?

as if there arent enough half-filled buses sa EDSA

lalo traffic

the problem isnt that there arent enough buses or buses arent big enough

the problem is there are too many buses

nag aagawan ng pasahero

they clog up parts of EDSA coz they're waiting for passengers

they can't reach full capacity coz they're too many of them

[cripple_rooster]

Articulated buses were originally intended to replace a variable amount of smaller vehicles with a larger one, cutting operational costs.






But I also prefer the double-deckers.

There were a few double-deckers performing urban transit duties in Brazil from the 80's to early 90's, mainly in São Paulo and Goiânia, but nowadays in South America they're more restricted to city-tours or long distance road trips.

They're still perceived by many users as "high-feature".

[uls]

but will the bus operators here replace their standard buses with those?

i don't think so

[cripple_rooster]

but will the bus operators here replace their standard buses with those?

i don't think so

Okay, but it wouldn't be actually a bad deal for them.

[robot.sonic]

pag dumadaan ako sa edsa ang karamihan sa mga bus half-full (yup, optimist ako) lang. Nagsisiksikan na lang sa MRT ang mga pumapasok sa trabaho.

Sa palagay ko dapat na bawasan ang mga bus dyan at gawing mas convenient ang MRT.

Pag maganda ang MRT, yung mga bus companies na mismo ang magbabawas ng kusa.

[KIANTOT]

Pag double decker kailangan pag sakay bayad agad, mahirapan maningil ang conductor niyan

[niky]

Okay, but it wouldn't be actually a bad deal for them.

A half-empty single bus is losing you money every minute it's on the road and burning diesel to run the airconditioner.

But a half-empty single bus will be losing less money than a three-quarters empty articulated bus. Two half-empty single buses would be losing more, but when you have two, you can garage one and just run the other. Makes for more flexible operation.

I like double-deckers... upper deck is fun... but they're not going to fit on our roads.

[Monseratto]

[niky]

Now let's see that fit underneath a pedestrian overpass.

[ghosthunter]

Now let's see that fit underneath a pedestrian overpass.

That's the current problem with re-introducing double-deck buses again in the metro, many (if not most) pedestrian overpasses were constructed with limited clearance for tall vehicles.

[cripple_rooster]

Usual height of a double-decker is between 4,2m and 4,5m. But the ground clearance is not so high as you can see in that old picture, comparing the Leyland DD with the Hino Blue Ribbon and that yellow bus I didn't know the bodybuilder.

[uls]

there are reasons why bus operators here do not use double deckers and extended buses

if double deckers and extended buses are applicable here (and profitable) they would have used them already

it's not as if buses operators here don't know double deckers and extended buses exist and that somebody has to introduce those kinds of buses to them

[niky]

Usual height of a double-decker is between 4,2m and 4,5m. But the ground clearance is not so high as you can see in that old picture, comparing the Leyland DD with the Hino Blue Ribbon and that yellow bus I didn't know the bodybuilder.

I would wager 4.2 is the one without a roof? Roofless won't work here in the Philippines.

4.5 meters is too high. Minimum clearance to overpasses on major highways is around 4.2 meters (EDIT: internet check... 4.27 meters, actually). On minor roads, you're lucky to even get close to 4 meters of height clearance.

[cripple_rooster]

I would wager 4.2 is the one without a roof? Roofless won't work here in the Philippines.

4.5 meters is too high. Minimum clearance to overpasses on major highways is around 4.2 meters (EDIT: internet check... 4.27 meters, actually). On minor roads, you're lucky to even get close to 4 meters of height clearance.

Roofless ones are around 4 meters high, intended only for city tours. Some actually have a retractile canvas roof, altough this wouldn't be the most suitable for urban transit since it wouldn't be easy to fit the aircon.

[Syuryuken]

meron na iyan dati sa manila. kung di ako nagkakamali megabus pa ata tawag dyan dati. edsa lang ata ang biyahe nung mga bus na iyan before

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