Gas saving device

[mazdamazda]

here's a funny excerpt on their website:

BEWARE OF IMITATION, IT MAY DAMAGE YOUR ENGINE!

or is it beware of the real thing? :bwahaha:

[php4us]

Do car racers need these gadgets? I mean, isn't this created to suit the need of a regular, fuel-expense-burried folks?

[zero]

i got this from my email today,
share ko lang po sa inyong mga nagbabalak....


To: OldskulMitsu*yahoogroups.com
From: "sakne" <mpareja*fcpp.fujitsu.com> Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:39:21 +0800
Subject: [OldskulMitsu] Fwd: Re: KHAOS Super Turbo Charger



this is a forwarded message from one of the members of other group

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:46:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: (MAC) KHAOS Super Turbo Charger
Reply-To: mitsu_adventure*yahoogroups.com

All, I had this installed in my friend's car and
here's our finding.

1. In the demo, they can show that with the device
installed, consumption is indeed lesser by 40%. They
are using this using two bottles of coke, and you can
actually observe the depletion of gas.

2. However, they have to alter some settings on engine
timing.

3. In City driving, this could be effective.

4. We tried using it in long distance driving, that's
when we found the difference, the engine is a little
bit choked, thus it's very hard to gain speed and
power, consequently, we end up consumming more gas,
because you have press down the pedal to accelerate
more. Instead of 600, we spent 800 in gas.

5. I think they just make "sakal" of the engine, so
gas consumption is little, but power and acceleration
was not considered.

6. Eventually, we return the device, good for us we
did not paid yet.


Lesson, when thing is good to be true, it may not be
true at all..

ps..if in your case, it work, then I rest my case..

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[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by php4us
Do car racers need these gadgets? I mean, isn't this created to suit the need of a regular, fuel-expense-burried folks?

so that you can see the real effects of the said device in an extreme condition.

as you know, car racers are already using other power enhancing devices in their cars like air filters, mufflers, turbos, etc.

and like what was posted in the mitsu website - it is just choking the engine. heck, almost any car enthusiast with a bit of mechanical knowledge knows how to tweak his engine to run leaner. why spend 6K when you can tweak your engine to do the same in less than an hour?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by php4us
Do car racers need these gadgets? I mean, isn't this created to suit the need of a regular, fuel-expense-burried folks?

quoted from khaos website:
====================
KHAOS Super Turbo Charger is the 4th generation PLANAS Super Turbo Charger that has been proven effective for 30 years now. It is designed to give your Engine the "ULTIMATE POWER", Fuel Consumption Efficiency and Pollution-Free Performance.

Does KSTC affect the engine power?
Definitely. increased in engine power will be easily felt
right after the installation because it reach the correct
mixture ratio of 15 parts of air and 1 part of gasoline and
so complete combustion was made.

Is Khaos Super Turbo Charger (KSTC) proven
already?
Yes, it has been used by motorist for 30 years already
and it gone thorough testing conducted by leading car
manufacturers and government agencies. Results showed
a saving on gas consumption, increased in engine power
and brough carbon monoxide level down to zero. (as
evident by an award winning- Tuklas Award and
Presidential Most Outstanding Invention award)
=================================


I think the website DOES mention engine power increase.

[php4us]

if that email does experience less engine power, and the website mentioned otherwise, this is a clear case of deceptive advertising.

[luckytruck]

naku, 30 years na pala ito ginagamit ng mga motorist. mas matanda pa sa akin

andy

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Sorry Double post

[niky]

Originally posted by ghosthunter

quoted from khaos website:
====================
KHAOS Super Turbo Charger is the 4th generation PLANAS Super Turbo Charger that has been proven effective for 30 years now. It is designed to give your Engine the "ULTIMATE POWER", Fuel Consumption Efficiency and Pollution-Free Performance.

Does KSTC affect the engine power?
Definitely. increased in engine power will be easily felt
right after the installation because it reach the correct
mixture ratio of 15 parts of air and 1 part of gasoline and
so complete combustion was made.

Is Khaos Super Turbo Charger (KSTC) proven
already?
Yes, it has been used by motorist for 30 years already
and it gone thorough testing conducted by leading car
manufacturers and government agencies. Results showed
a saving on gas consumption, increased in engine power
and brough carbon monoxide level down to zero. (as
evident by an award winning- Tuklas Award and
Presidential Most Outstanding Invention award)
=================================


I think the website DOES mention engine power increase.

Interesting... also note it promises reduced emissions... I wonder how bad they would get, though, if the leaning out causes the engine to bog?

Many euro-compliant engines and economy-tuned engines sometimes bog down during acceleration due to incorrect mixture conditions, IMHO, if these conditions are exacerbated by the presence of unmetered air, poor emissions performance could occur.

zero... what vehicle was this tested on? I'd be interested to know if it is carburated or EFI... I'm interested in knowing if you can actually fool an EFI system into leaning out this way...

If it's possible, then you don't really need the KSTC to do it, you can make one yourself, since the principle is quite simple.

Or even better, just choke your air filter and muffler... less air entering/exiting the engine means less gas consumed... but it also means very poor performance.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by niky

zero... what vehicle was this tested on? I'd be interested to know if it is carburated or EFI... I'm interested in knowing if you can actually fool an EFI system into leaning out this way...

If it's possible, then you don't really need the KSTC to do it, you can make one yourself, since the principle is quite simple.

Or even better, just choke your air filter and muffler... less air entering/exiting the engine means less gas consumed... but it also means very poor performance.

actually you can fool a typical EFI engine by creating an air intake somewhere after the air sensor. Same results as the KSTC.

[niky]

So, all I would need for my own Khaos Super Tubo ChargerTM would be an air breather (Simota, P500-P1000), a spring-loaded valve (P150?) to close the Breather under vacuum pressure at higher engine speeds (to prevent power-loss / bogging) and a plastic fitment pipe and rubber seal to fit it all... (under P100)...

So... what are we waiting for... want to go into partnership and sell?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by niky
So, all I would need for my own Khaos Super Tubo ChargerTM would be an air breather (Simota, P500-P1000), a spring-loaded valve (P150?) to close the Breather under vacuum pressure at higher engine speeds (to prevent power-loss / bogging) and a plastic fitment pipe and rubber seal to fit it all... (under P100)...

So... what are we waiting for... want to go into partnership and sell?

...and we'll name the device "NIKY SUPER-DUPER TURBO CHARGER"

:exclaim:

[pissword]

sir ghosthunter, kahapon pala nasulat sa isang TABLOID ang KHAOS na dinemo in front of Sir Defensor.... then nagpakabit ang iilang officials pati na ang LTO makati head ata. kasi daw effective ito at sabi rin na tinest din daw ito sa automotive testing center sa taiwan.. sensya na coz nabasa ko lang siya sa pilipinas tonight ba yun hehe nakibasa lang po ako kaya d ko masyado maclear ang details... wala nga lang din sinabi kung panu gumagana

[niky]

:car:

Php 3,500 lang for the first 15 customers. Pag kumagat kayo, I promise to spend the money on further research and development, as well as more beer. :D

sir ghosthunter, kahapon pala nasulat sa isang TABLOID ang KHAOS na dinemo in front of Sir Defensor.... then nagpakabit ang iilang officials pati na ang LTO makati head ata. kasi daw effective ito at sabi rin na tinest din daw ito sa automotive testing center sa taiwan.. sensya na coz nabasa ko lang siya sa pilipinas tonight ba yun hehe nakibasa lang po ako kaya d ko masyado maclear ang details... wala nga lang din sinabi kung panu gumagana

Tested in Taiwan? The home of the OTHER intake-based fuel saver? The home of the Turbo-Zet computer fan supercharger? The home of the "Fuel Magic" Magnetic intake gas ek-ek? I believe that.

[pissword]

hahahhaa... basta yun yung nakasulat kasi doon eh haha ok ok, akala ko UK based ang turbo zet hehe ewan ko ba, basta para sakin tama na ang stock lahat

[niky]

:D

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by pissword
sir ghosthunter, kahapon pala nasulat sa isang TABLOID ang KHAOS na dinemo in front of Sir Defensor.... then nagpakabit ang iilang officials pati na ang LTO makati head ata. kasi daw effective ito at sabi rin na tinest din daw ito sa automotive testing center sa taiwan.. sensya na coz nabasa ko lang siya sa pilipinas tonight ba yun hehe nakibasa lang po ako kaya d ko masyado maclear ang details... wala nga lang din sinabi kung panu gumagana

The point is its still in a tabloid and not any reputable automotive magazine.

How was the testing done? What equiptment? Was a control used? (example: before & after) Who was looking over to see and check if it was being done correctly (preferably someone with competent knowledge of cars).

[luckytruck]

drove to davao and back, i am estimating a 12% savings in diesel consumption by having a simple device

mental rev limiter to 3000 rpm

libre pa

andy

[goodsamaritan]

yan ang the best ang gamit ni andy. i'm also using that sa slex or nlex not more than 2k rpm

but what's funny is i bought the Planas thing for my other car. it's 2.0 kasi, curious lang. and i would like to believe na it saves gas para hindi sayang pera ko. hehe...OT yata ako...