BLAZE: The First PINOY Motorcycle Brand?

**dongramos** · September 3rd, 2009 11:10 AM

What exactly is your definition of a pinoy Bike? For me it is a bike that is designed from the ground up. Component per component, bolt per bolt and even down to the metallurgy. What we claim as pinoy bikes are actually copies of of another copy. We get chinese components from chinese bikes and assemble them here, add local content (tires, battery, upholstery, graphics and cheap labor) and presto, you have a completely different looking bike but is a copy just the same. I would be prouder if the bike were designed by pinoys from scratch which would mean the components are all new and not "interchangeable" with other brands. We have the talent to do this, It is just not being harnessed correctly.
Your pinoy bikes are actually chinese bikes fitted with a newly designed plastic component or just even graphics ( stickers ) but the frame and engine are still copies.
Let us build our own pinoy bike, but let it be one we can truly call our own.

**ghosthunter** · September 3rd, 2009 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by dongramos

What exactly is your definition of a pinoy Bike? For me it is a bike that is designed from the ground up. Component per component, bolt per bolt and even down to the metallurgy. What we claim as pinoy bikes are actually copies of of another copy. We get chinese components from chinese bikes and assemble them here, add local content (tires, battery, upholstery, graphics and cheap labor) and presto, you have a completely different looking bike but is a copy just the same. I would be prouder if the bike were designed by pinoys from scratch which would mean the components are all new and not "interchangeable" with other brands. We have the talent to do this, It is just not being harnessed correctly.
Your pinoy bikes are actually chinese bikes fitted with a newly designed plastic component or just even graphics ( stickers ) but the frame and engine are still copies.
Let us build our own pinoy bike, but let it be one we can truly call our own.

Instead of reposting what I have said... maybe I should just post a link to the PHUV thread since the problems of design/production is the same.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61858

But for a summary, the problem is getting the technology to manufacture/produce the critical components like the engine and control electronics.

The next problem is to do that at a price that will be competitive in the market.

This is not a simple matter of: "if you build it, they will come".

**jpdm** · September 9th, 2009 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by dongramos

What exactly is your definition of a pinoy Bike? For me it is a bike that is designed from the ground up. Component per component, bolt per bolt and even down to the metallurgy. What we claim as pinoy bikes are actually copies of of another copy. We get chinese components from chinese bikes and assemble them here, add local content (tires, battery, upholstery, graphics and cheap labor) and presto, you have a completely different looking bike but is a copy just the same. I would be prouder if the bike were designed by pinoys from scratch which would mean the components are all new and not "interchangeable" with other brands. We have the talent to do this, It is just not being harnessed correctly.
Your pinoy bikes are actually chinese bikes fitted with a newly designed plastic component or just even graphics ( stickers ) but the frame and engine are still copies.
Let us build our own pinoy bike, but let it be one we can truly call our own.

Perhaps that time will surely come. Maybe with with Blaze and MCX bikes..

**TambayBlues** · October 10th, 2009 09:14 AM

Technically, even motorcycle engines can be made locally since they are basically made out of aluminum and/or magnesium diecast parts for which there are several plants in the Philippines. Some of them even utilize robots to remove the parts from the diecasting machine to increase productivity. The main factor that probably makes a locally made engine more prohibitive if it were Pinoy made is that we still have to buy the aluminum ingots from abroad which jacks up the price of the end product in the form of shipping costs and import duties as opposed to China and our other Asian neighbors who have their own Aluminum Smelters. And another factor of course is the economies of scale which heavily favors countries with much bigger domestic markets. But the latter factor can still be overcome by exporting to other countries to artificially attain better economies of scale. Something that our Asian neighbors have figured out a long time ago hence their export-led development strategy that started since the 50's.

**ghosthunter** · October 10th, 2009 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by TambayBlues

Technically, even motorcycle engines can be made locally since they are basically made out of aluminum and/or magnesium diecast parts for which there are several plants in the Philippines. Some of them even utilize robots to remove the parts from the diecasting machine to increase productivity. The main factor that probably makes a locally made engine more prohibitive if it were Pinoy made is that we still have to buy the aluminum ingots from abroad
which jacks up the price of the end product in the form of shipping costs and import duties as opposed to China and our other Asian neighbors who have their own Aluminum Smelters. And another factor of course is the economies of scale which heavily favors countries with much bigger domestic markets.

Actually, the main problem is simply the last reason you mentioned. The Philippines is simply too small a market and then add the existing other brands which have already been established as the preferred brand(s) by the motoring public.

**OyiL** · October 10th, 2009 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by dongramos

What exactly is your definition of a pinoy Bike? For me it is a bike that is designed from the ground up. Component per component, bolt per bolt and even down to the metallurgy. What we claim as pinoy bikes are actually copies of of another copy. We get chinese components from chinese bikes and assemble them here, add local content (tires, battery, upholstery, graphics and cheap labor) and presto, you have a completely different looking bike but is a copy just the same. I would be prouder if the bike were designed by pinoys from scratch which would mean the components are all new and not "interchangeable" with other brands. We have the talent to do this, It is just not being harnessed correctly.
Your pinoy bikes are actually chinese bikes fitted with a newly designed plastic component or just even graphics ( stickers ) but the frame and engine are still copies.
Let us build our own pinoy bike, but let it be one we can truly call our own.

sorry, wrong concept.

**cktlcmd** · October 11th, 2009 02:59 PM

Do they also make big bikes or just those moped types that I often see cluttering the streets of Manila?

**ehnriko** · October 12th, 2009 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by cktlcmd

Do they also make big bikes or just those moped types that I often see cluttering the streets of Manila?

They will make (if thats what you want to call it) only bikes limited to what China is making. If a big bike above 800cc will be available in alibaba.com - rest assure - they will also have it; eventually.

**jpdm** · October 30th, 2009 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by ehnriko

They will make (if thats what you want to call it) only bikes limited to what China is making. If a big bike above 800cc will be available in alibaba.com - rest assure - they will also have it; eventually.

I hope Blaze and MCX, these local bikes are doing well.

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