China, Philippines locked in naval standoff

[marg]

Yep, STUPID senadores.

All the oil in the Scarborough and Spratleys could have been ours.

30 Billion Barrels estimated by the USGS, times $102/barrel.

TANGA politicians. Pinoys deserve to be Poor nga.

Now, we have to fight for it pa.

This could have paid all our loans and have enough to propel us to the First World status.

TANGA nga minsan ang Pinoy. Puro YABANG kasi.

[Monseratto]

Yung nagrally sa US embassy, sabi nila hype lang yung Scarborough standoff para maka balik ang base militar ng imperialismong US. Damned commies...

[111prez]

na resolve na ba ito?

the government seems eerily quiet about this

so far, there are still two chinese "maritime patrol" vessels while the philippines has not sent back the brp del pilar

what happened to the fishing vessels and their poached cargo?

[Altis6453]

^ most likely a face-saving gesture for China and the PH by just mutually leaving Scarborough Shoal.

There was this idiot of a columnist in the Inquirer (Walden Bello) who's saying we can't resolve a territorial issue by having war games like Balikatan.

Well, I think he failed to notice that diplomacy hasn't worked either.

[shadow]

Nasa news kanina nag rarally sa NK at US embasy. Bakit kaya di sa Chinese embasy???

NK embassy? Meron ba sila embassy dito?

[Monseratto]

Out of the 8 Chinese fishing vessels, 3 have left the area already due to low provisions. Bringing with them the "likas yaman ng Pilipinas".

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Three of eight Chinese fishing boats at the center of a standoff between China and the Philippines have left a shoal in the disputed South China Sea, officials said Friday.

Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert Del Rosario told reporters that the fishing boats had the "freedom" to move, but he did not elaborate.

Dellosa told reporters that China had sent two additional surveillance ships to the area on Thursday, but that they apparently just replaced the two ships that left.

He said it was not clear whether the ships or the fishing boats that left took away the fishermen's catch.

[andywesteast]

Out of the 8 Chinese fishing vessels, 3 have left the area already due to low provisions. Bringing with them the "likas yaman ng Pilipinas".

Bringing with them "likas yaman ng China", from their point of view.

And there's nothing much the Philippines can do about it.

[Skidrow]

Sa show of force pa lang talong talo na ang Pilipinas. Why don't we just cut the crap and admit na hindi naman talaga natin kakayaning makipagsabayan sa China. It would be useless to use all the rhetorics in the world na di naman natin kayang i back up militarily. Kung sana itong problema na ito idinulog na sa UN at nag assert ang Pinas na sana maresolve na ito once and force all sa UN, hindi na sana hahantong sa ganito. Panay delaying tactics lang ang ginagawa ng gobyerno. Diplomacy? Diplomacy their faces! Ayaw lang talaga nilang harapin ang problema. Let the next administration (and the next, and so on and so forth) handle this problem for Christ's sake.


Sana noon pang panahon ni Ramos pinalakas na ang Military natin pero etong mga useless na panay dakdak na politicians natin eh hindi inasikaso ang military buildup. Mga walang foresight. Panay "pera" sight sila. Ngayon tignan nyo - they left us in the pit. mga gunggong talaga ang mga yan. We look so pathetic militarily in the face of the international community.

I believe kakayanin nating idefend ang territoryo natin but we might not be able to do this right now. In due time. Eto panlaban natin sa mga namumuno sa China : Sana makarma kayo!

[dnomyar]

then...call a friend! big brother---uncle Sam. Saw Sen Gringo Honasan on TV before the press. His unsolicited advice for PNoy is sensible as a plausible option. Abangan

[tomboy]

Kahit mano-mano, majority sa pinoy hindi makakaporma. Hindi naman tayo kagaya ng singapore at iran na nagmimilitary training mga students. Eh ang dami pa bading sa call center paano ka pa naman makakaporma.

Yung sinasabi ilaban daw mga skwater sa china...Alam ko joke yun pero kaya lang naman nakakatakot mga skwater dahil mabaho yung amoy. Parang basketball yan, gaganahan ka ba bantayan pag may tokpu kalaban mo. Pawis na lang nun pag dumikit sa balat mo matinding shower yun.

[andywesteast]

Sana noon pang panahon ni Ramos pinalakas na ang Military natin pero etong mga useless na panay dakdak na politicians natin eh hindi inasikaso ang military buildup. Mga walang foresight. Panay "pera" sight sila. Ngayon tignan nyo - they left us in the pit. mga gunggong talaga ang mga yan. We look so pathetic militarily in the face of the international community.

I believe kakayanin nating idefend ang territoryo natin but we might not be able to do this right now. In due time. Eto panlaban natin sa mga namumuno sa China : Sana makarma kayo!

Since the time of Marcos, the Philippine generals has made the Philippine Treasury as a "Piggy Bank", enriching themselves.

Now is the time that our military capabilitity is being tested, and the grade is F.

Tawag nga sa Pilipinas Sick Man of Asia. Cannot even stand up for ourselves.

then...call a friend! big brother---uncle Sam. Saw Sen Gringo Honasan on TV before the press. His unsolicited advice for PNoy is sensible as a plausible option. Abamgan.

The USA will not fight a war for us. We are not that important, really.

After you got rid of their strategic bases in Clark and Subic.

[donbuggy]

Nasaan na ang mga Leftists dito sa Tsikot forums?

[111prez]

apparently, all the chinese fishing vessels already left the area together with the two chinese maritime patrol vessels

now, only one chinese maritime patrol vessel and one dilapidated philippine navy vessel are left

talo pa rin ang pilipinas

nakatakas na ang lahat ng illegal fishers under escort of their own government

sa susunod, pag mag fishing ulit yan, may escort na yan at wala pa rin tayong magagawa

[Monseratto]

So what is the use of having the BRP Goyo if they can't even enforce so-called Philippine sovereignity over the Scarborough Shoals. Does the Navy of the Philippines have anything to show other than a kicked butt?

MANILA (Reuters) - Chinese fishing boats left a disputed area of the South China Sea with their catches on Saturday, ending a six-day standoff but dealing a blow to Philippine efforts to assert sovereignty over the area and protect marine resources.

The Philippines had wanted the Chinese fishermen to hand over their hauls of giant clams, corals and live sharks harvested near the disputed Scarborough Shoal, in return for safe passage out of the area.

China sent surveillance ships to protect its fishermen while the Philippines dispatched its biggest warship. Negotiations dragged on and all eight boats left without giving anything up.

"The Chinese fishing vessels had left the lagoon, a development which we had been working towards except for our not being able to confiscate their illegal harvest ... which was regrettable," Foreign Affairs Secretary Alberto Del Rosario said in a statement.

[Skidrow]

Ang hina naman ng Philippine Navy. They could have exploited the grave abuse of these chinese fishermen on our marine ecosystem by exposing those pictures they have taken (with the corals, endangered marine species, etc) to the international media for the world to see. At yun sana ang nagbigay pa ng leverage at power sa Pinas para majustify ang pagclaim sa mga islands.

Ni hindi naconfiscate ng Phil navy yung mga marine resources na yon. How can I even trust that we can "re-claim" (yes, sa alam ko, pag ma may ari na ito ng china after this incident) those islands?

Now there's is no need to figure out who is laughing while on their "face-saving" way out ....

[koda181]

Oo nga bat di kasi kaagad kinun-fiscate yung mga marine resources bago pa dumating yung resbak na 2 marine surveillance vessel ng mga tsekwa. Kakapang gigil baga. Magpapabalik balik na lang mga tsekwang mangingisda na yan diyan sa shoal na yan. And not far from the shoal, nakabantay na ang isang tsekwang warship. Ano kaya masasabi nito ni Pnoy?

[Altis6453]

So what is the use of having the BRP Goyo if they can't even enforce so-called Philippine sovereignity over the Scarborough Shoals. Does the Navy of the Philippines have anything to show other than a kicked butt?

The BRP "Goyo" is good for one thing and one thing only...coast guard duty.

It is a 40-year old cutter which was thrust into the role of a warship. Thing is, even now, all it can do is symbolically fly the flag over what we claim to be part of Philippine waters. It cannot and will not be combat capable, especially since most of the advanced combat equipment was removed from the ship prior to it being transferred to the Philippine Navy.

I bet not even PNoy would willingly order the BRP Goyo to engage the Chinese because all it will result in is lives of enlisted men being lost needlessly. The only acceptable outcome of this standoff on the government's part was a mutual withdrawal from the disputed area so that everybody can save face.

[Altis6453]

Ang hina naman ng Philippine Navy. They could have exploited the grave abuse of these chinese fishermen on our marine ecosystem by exposing those pictures they have taken (with the corals, endangered marine species, etc) to the international media for the world to see. At yun sana ang nagbigay pa ng leverage at power sa Pinas para majustify ang pagclaim sa mga islands.

Ni hindi naconfiscate ng Phil navy yung mga marine resources na yon. How can I even trust that we can "re-claim" (yes, sa alam ko, pag ma may ari na ito ng china after this incident) those islands?

Now there's is no need to figure out who is laughing while on their "face-saving" way out ....

Not that I don't agree, but being able to confiscate those marine resources from the Chinese without resorting to some exercise of force on the part of the PH Navy against two other naval ships in the area is quite difficult.

If the PH wants to re-assert its territorial rights, it must not only resort to diplomacy but commit to building up its capability to police and patrol its borders out in the sea.

[marg]

If the PH wants to re-assert its territorial rights, it must not only resort to diplomacy but commit to building up its capability to police and patrol its borders out in the sea.

The Vietnamese tried and 64 of them were massacred by the Chinese by 20mm bacal guns on the Spratlys.

Watch and decide if the Filipinos would have a chance against the Chinese.

Tanga kasi ng mga Pinoy na nagpaalis sa mga Americans bases.

The only thing the Chinese fear is a US Carrier Battle group.

[111prez]

correct me if i am wrong but the philippine navy/coast guard already boarded these chinese vessels before the chinese maritime patrol ships came along

the confiscation could have been done there

then keep the illegal goods onboard the brp del pilar and refuse to hand it over

IMHO, the philippines lost a lot of face here, plain and simple