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    #41
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy_boy View Post
    or sinasabi ng ahente na NHR is not "elf" para tumaas value kasi hindi surplus/converted unit.
    the "ahente" i'm referring to is mondragon

    he sounds like an ahente

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    #42
    the platform is pretty much like the jeepneys on our streets now. the only 2 things i find not too attractive are the front drums and the underpowered 2.8ltr engine. but i bet the ladder chasis and the i-beam suspension will last a long long time.

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    #43
    Try riding and driving one and tell me if the i-beam suspension is still attractive after 3 hours on the road. hehehe.

    They're pretty good in theory (that they're robust and all), but somehow my back is still complaining. No one will load 2000kgs on the front suspension of that thing, why not give it a better suspension like the JDM IFS set up?

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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by mondragon View Post
    Drum Type, Hydraulic Dual Circuit with Vacuum Assist, Front Two leading, Rear Dual Leading- yan nga pala kahit sa flexi truck... cgro iniiwasan nila ung sudden stop... i-van lng kc ung truck based.. kya cgro ganun.... kc sa mga auv,d-max,alterra-drum front, discs rear.. hehe
    Nice mentality ISUZU! Di bale nang sobrang haba ng braking distance and sumalpok sa mga nasa unahan basta wag lang mag "sudden stop".

    Bravo!

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    #45
    kaya you can only sell an all-brake drum truck in a country like the Phils.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    kaya you can only sell an all-brake drum truck in a country like the Phils.
    Actually it's not so unusual. Even in some rich countries such as many Arab oil-exporting countries drum brakes are still an usual feature. Not to talk about Brazil, South Africa, Mexico and many other under-devepolment countries where drum brakes are still more usual than disc brakes in trucks...
    Last edited by cripple_rooster; February 21st, 2012 at 06:01 PM.

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    #47
    mechanically mas malakas ang DRUM brakes... pero prone to LOCK... while disc brakes on that size will need Dual Piston Setup (costly) to provide that same power.. kaya maganda sa front ang disc brakes for better control.. kung hindi naman super bigat ng kargada dapat disc brakes na lalo kung for passenger use..

    noong unang panahon na hindi pa uso ang brake with vacuum assist, lahat naka drum brakes for more braking power

  8. #48
    The problem with drum brakes is that they're more prone to get faded from overheating.

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    #49
    Actually it's not so unusual. Even in some rich countries such as many Arab oil-exporting countries drum brakes are still an usual feature. Not to talk about Brazil, South Africa, Mexico and many other under-devepolment countries where drum brakes are still more usual than disc brakes in trucks...
    i know most big trucks use drum brakes. we service customers' 10 wheeler cargo trucks here

    but our customers' small trucks have front disc brakes

  10. #50
    Not just in the big trucks, 4-wheel drum brakes are still usual in Brazilian-made trucks and buses at all, and Brazil exports trucks and buses to many countries in the LAAM (Latin America, Africa and Middle East). 4-wheel disc brakes in small trucks are getting an increased market share because Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz are now using it, while Ford still uses 4-wheel drum brakes in the Cargo and front disc brakes in the F350 and F550 (badged as F4000 in Brazil, Argentina and Chile). However, ABS turned into a popular feature in long-distance and touristic buses, even when fitted with all-wheel drum brakes...

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    #51
    nice reply ni kompressor ng masteral kb sa philosophy?pilosopo k kc eh.. ganito lng yn.... ung sudden stop ngyyari lng yan pg my biglang ng cut sau o sobra hataw mo biglang ng stop ung nsa harap mo... bkit pg drum brake kb at ngbiglang stop ka hndi kakagat un at mbbungo k pa din?kht disc pa yan kung too late na dale ka pa din.. tapos sabi mo, haba ng brake distance, tapos ssalpok pa din?oa nyan ah,,

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    #52
    Malamang niyan yung makakuha ng I-van tapos kapag hindi satisfied sa preno baka magconvert ng breaksystem yung pang isuzu forward

    Tingnan na lang natin kung papatok ito sa shuttle service ng taga baguio

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    #53
    well mostly ms madami gumagamit ng isuzu trucks... forte nila yan eh... number1 truck maker yan... numbe1 diesel engine producer lng din namn sila... kht nga toyota nakipagcollaborate sa isuzu bout diesel engine in a car... chaka ms matataas ang payload ng isuzu compare sa mitsu,hino,nissan diesel... ms fuel efficient at ms lesser maintenance, longer to overhaul..

    un na nga uls, ms madami tlg applications ang isuzu originally... nakikisabay lng mga mitsu,nissan diesel etc... kaya nga db sinabi ko nun pinagawan nla ng van body ung nhr truck pra ms ilapit sa tao ang trucks.. hndi lng png hebigat hauling, pwde din sa tao... pra makahabol cla sa van category..... sympre para pabenta din... di ako ahente... fan lang ako... kung ahente sna aq sna alam ko lahat... di magiging underpower un kc nga truck un... truck na ginawang van baka nga over pa un.. buti sana kung van ginawang delivery truck... un underpower cgrado... baka underpwer in terms of speed...

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    #54
    I was at the isuzu dealer today. May trim na sa leading edge ng headliner. And yung inner door panel ng rear swing door ay hindi na kita ang screws. But its still made out of the same brittle material. Parang fiberglass.

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    #55
    Inexplain ko na how big rigs can get away with drum brakes, its simply called brake swept area. They are big and they have lots of it.

    A disc set up will always produce shorter and more consistent stopping distances during measured testing. That is a fact already. Live with it. A five feet difference in stopping distance can already mean the difference between being able to stop and crashing onto whats ahead of you.

    Otherwise we would all still be living in the drum braked 50's.

    Just because other markets are still embracing outdated tech means we should do to.

    Noong araw lahat naka drum because yun lang ang technology available.

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    #56
    I don't care if they still sell and retain these ancient features in their trucks, but for Pete's sake at P1.245 Million?

    Shame on you Isuzu! I will never forget you guys almost got away with the Trooper fiasco!

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    #57
    kamusta naman po ung a/c ng ivan

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    #58
    Quote Originally Posted by OTEP View Post
    Otherwise we would all still be living in the drum braked 50's.

    Just because other markets are still embracing outdated tech means we should do to.

    Noong araw lahat naka drum because yun lang ang technology available.
    Let me be the devil's advocate: Because i'm selling a 20+ year old engine technology therefore everything should also be Jurassic including the brakes!

    Drum brakes is more than enough to compensate the 91 horses from its engine. You don't expect to go beyond 130 kph with that truck..

    And i'm offering it to you starting at P1.245 Million!:twak:

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    #59
    Hahaha ang isuzu philiippines talaga gagawa lang dito sa pinas substandard pa talo pa tayo ng thailand at china. Yung china foton nagawa nilang CRDI ang 4jb1 samantala dito pati preno drum brake pa tapos 1m plus pa.

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    #60
    Quote Originally Posted by mondragon View Post
    well mostly ms madami gumagamit ng isuzu trucks... forte nila yan eh... number1 truck maker yan... numbe1 diesel engine producer lng din namn sila... kht nga toyota nakipagcollaborate sa isuzu bout diesel engine in a car... chaka ms matataas ang payload ng isuzu compare sa mitsu,hino,nissan diesel... ms fuel efficient at ms lesser maintenance, longer to overhaul..
    hey fanboi, puro inaccuracy post mo

    search mo ano truck numero uno sa Japan. Hino. dito lang sa Pinas number 1 ang Isuzu

    mas mataas payload ng Isuzu? lahat ng truckmaker meron truck na equivalent ng Isuzu. kung ano kaya ng Isuzu kaya din ng ibang truck

    less maintenance? longer to overhaul? teka lang... ano ba experience mo sa truck? ilan taon ka na ba nag me-maintain ng truck?

    have you owned Canters along with Elfs? how many units? how many years?

    are you posting from experience o theory lang?

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