2011 Hyundai Elantra [MERGED]

[Starex_Gold]

Tingin nyo ba ok kung magkakaron ng entry level variant that's like the altis 1.6E tas andun din yung price nya? 1600 din yung engine. pero dual cvvt unlike the accent's gamma with 1.6L single cvvt

Pwede rin. Tapos 6 M/T.

Wag lang gawin taxi tulad ng Corolla Altis 1.6E

Walang hiya ka otep.

Wala akong pinagtataguan. Haha

Tapusin na yang elantra, basta dagdagan niyo lang ng colors please.

Guilty?

OK ito. It'll be just like their low price 588k Accent variant, para may option para sa mga mas mababang budget na gustong magkaroon ng mas malaki na kotse. Sana may 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 diesel and gas variants sila para may pantapat sila on all vehicle offerings in the market. Yun nga lang sana yung 1.6 na ilalagay sa Elantra mas malakas kesa dun sa Accent. The 10 year old ES Civic VTi-S already has 130hp. They could at least surpass that. Then I suppose they're going to use the 150hp 1.8L engine in the USDM variant and the Tucson's 2.0L Theta II and R e-VGT engines?

Magaling ka pa sa HARI.

How much are the buyers willing to pay for the top-of-the-line R-eVGT variant of the Elantra?

1.1M?

1.2M?

1.3M?

There are rumors that the VCDi Cruze LT is priced * 1.288M. With all the features of the petrol LT variant.

And it's damn expensive.

[GTi]

Magaling ka pa sa HARI.

How much are the buyers willing to pay for the top-of-the-line R-eVGT variant of the Elantra?

1.1M?

1.2M?

1.3M?

There are rumors that the VCDi Cruze LT is priced * 1.288M. With all the features of the petrol LT variant.

And it's damn expensive.

You don't have to be so pessimistic. Who knows? Its just something that I thought of that might work. If they could price the diesel Tucson 4x4 at 1.338M, surely they could price the Elantra much lower than that. And its something that could compete with the diesel Focus and upcoming diesel Cruze (kung dadating if ever ) head to head. Siguro naman may medyo madami dami ng bibili if they price it at around 1.05M-1.1M.

[Starex_Gold]

The GL CRDi Tucson is just damn bare at all.

You get the interior of the low-end Theta II variant for 1.3M?

The 1.8L Top-of-the-Line variant might be priced around 1.1M with the same features of the Corolla Altis 2.0V.

So magkano ang diesel?

Kung ang diesel na ilalagay eh yung pareho sa 2011 Accent, baka pwede pa. Tapos 6 M/T and 6 A/T.

[GTi]

IMHO the level of equipment of the GL CRDi Tucson is fine by me. If you compare it to, say, the Honda Civic, lamang lang siya ng 2 more airbags and HID. It doesn't have to be flashy naman eh. It just needs to drive well. Since there's no more 4x4 system, malaki na ang mababawas and they could use a small part of that to match the Civic's level of equipment.

But do you think it will be OK if they plop in the 2.0VGT engine found in the Carens instead?

[Starex_Gold]

Actually hindi lamang ng 2 airbags yung Civic 2.0S kasi inalis na yung side airbags nung 2009 pa. HID nalang.

IMHO mas maganda pa specs ng 2011 Corolla Altis 2.0V sa 2011 Civic 2.0S.

Wala nga 4WD system pero the R-eVGT engine costs 100K alone. Kasi yun ang price difference ng Tucson Theta Premium sa R-eVGT Premium.

The R engine is expensive.

Baka pwede pa yung sa Carens, 140HP CRDi VGT. Same engine ng Gen1 Tucson.

But the 1.8L MPi D-CVVT has 150HP.

[GTi]

IMHO the level of equipment of the GL CRDi Tucson is fine by me. If you compare it to, say, the Honda Civic, lamang lang siya ng 2 more airbags and HID. It doesn't have to be flashy naman eh. It just needs to drive well. Since there's no more 4x4 system, malaki na ang mababawas and they could use a small part of that to match the Civic's level of equipment.

But do you think it will be OK if they plop in the 2.0VGT engine found in the Carens instead?

[GTi]

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[GTi]

Actually hindi lamang ng 2 airbags yung Civic 2.0S kasi inalis na yung side airbags nung 2009 pa. HID nalang.

IMHO mas maganda pa specs ng 2011 Corolla Altis 2.0V sa 2011 Civic 2.0S.

Wala nga 4WD system pero the R-eVGT engine costs 100K alone. Kasi yun ang price difference ng Tucson Theta Premium sa R-eVGT Premium.

The R engine is expensive.

Baka pwede pa yung sa Carens, 140HP CRDi VGT. Same engine ng Gen1 Tucson.

But the 1.8L MPi D-CVVT has 150HP.

Couldn't they retune the engine to make more power like they did with the 1.6L CRDi VGT? I'm sure 150hp should be doable since the diesel Captiva already makes 150hp. And if they can't, IMHO that shouldn't be a problem since the Focus diesel also has less hp than its gasoline counterpart.

Or here's another thought. The price difference between the Civic 2.0S and the CRV 2.0S 4x2 A/T is around 195k with similar level of equipment. And around how much ba is the 4WD system? Is it somewhere near 200k? Then there should be a big price decrease already from the existing 1.338M.

[Starex_Gold]

The CRDi engine of the 2011 Accent is new, AFAIK. Kaya U-II ang tawag. Parang Theta II kasi Theta I yung Gen1 Tucson.

Kaya yung engine ng Carens medyo walang pag-asa na gawan ng paraan kasi 2.0R na yung pumalit.

Pwedeng yun parin ang gamitin, pero gawing eVGT.
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RE: Civic 2.0S & CR-V 2.0S 2WD A/T, IMO hindi sila match ng features.

Wala kasi auto climate yung CR-V, walang HID, leather seats, leather steering wheel, steering wheel audio remote, etc.

Yung ka-match talaga ng Civic 2.0S sa features yung CR-V 2.4S-X 4WD ko. Minus 2 airbags, VSA, power retractable side mirrors at 6-CD changer.

Tapos alam ko 200K mismo price difference ng CR-V 2.0S 2WD sa 2.4S-X 4WD. 1.325M - 1.525M

[GTi]

The CRDi engine of the 2011 Accent is new, AFAIK. Kaya U-II ang tawag. Parang Theta II kasi Theta I yung Gen1 Tucson.

Kaya yung engine ng Carens medyo walang pag-asa na gawan ng paraan kasi 2.0R na yung pumalit.

Pwedeng yun parin ang gamitin, pero gawing eVGT.
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RE: Civic 2.0S & CR-V 2.0S 2WD A/T, IMO hindi sila match ng features.

Wala kasi auto climate yung CR-V, walang HID, leather seats, leather steering wheel, steering wheel audio remote, etc.

Yung ka-match talaga ng Civic 2.0S sa features yung CR-V 2.4S-X 4WD ko. Minus 2 airbags, VSA, power retractable side mirrors at 6-CD changer.

Tapos alam ko 200K mismo price difference ng CR-V 2.0S 2WD sa 2.4S-X 4WD. 1.325M - 1.525M

If they convert the 2.0VGT CRDi of the Carens into eVGT then it'll be just the same as the R engine. So wouldn't it be more sensible if they just use the ReVGT engine?
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Which means that the CRV has less equipment but is still considerably more expensive than the Civic 2.0S by 195k due to the added sheet metal and the various other differences between a CUV and a sedan which makes it more expensive despite having less features. Now let us make the same comparison with the Tucson GL CRDi. 1.338M minus 195k minus whatever is the cost of the transfer case. Which will leave the price at 1.0xM and still with more features than the Tucson GL CRDi. Mighty reasonable price for me.

[Starex_Gold]

Hindi naman kasi converted ang CRDi VGT into CRDi eVGT.

Turbo lang naman yung VGT. No need for main engine modifications.
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I don't get the point about the TOTL sedan and base model CUV. Basta kung ako bibili, I'd always choose the TOTL kahit mas maliit. Kaya for a limited budget, Vios 1.5G Leather package kinuha namin than Altis 1.6G A/T.

For the Tucson GL CRDi, remove the 4WD system, then the price gap of the GL CRDi to GLS Theta II Tucson would just be 75-100K. Because the GL CRDi have less features than the GLS Theta II Tucson.

So the GL CRDi is still expensive for 1.338M. Not to mention the price of the GLS-Premium.

[GTi]

Hindi naman kasi converted ang CRDi VGT into CRDi eVGT.

Turbo lang naman yung VGT. No need for main engine modifications.
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I don't get the point about the TOTL sedan and base model CUV. Basta kung ako bibili, I'd always choose the TOTL kahit mas maliit. Kaya for a limited budget, Vios 1.5G Leather package kinuha namin than Altis 1.6G A/T.

For the Tucson GL CRDi, remove the 4WD system, then the price gap of the GL CRDi to GLS Theta II Tucson would just be 75-100K. Because the GL CRDi have less features than the GLS Theta II Tucson.

So the GL CRDi is still expensive for 1.338M. Not to mention the price of the GLS-Premium.

My point is that the top of the line sedan is always less expensive than the base model CUV despite it having more features but the same engine. So if the Elantra were to get the 2.0R e-VGT engine, it would not be very exceedingly expensive. In the case of the Elantra, you factor in the price difference between the top of the line sedan and the base model CUV along with the cost of the 4WD system. And there you are with an R-eVGT Elantra that might actually cost less than the Focus Powershift diesel.

[Starex_Gold]

However, the base model Tucson costs 998K, the GL Theta M/T.

Malamang dun palang mas mahal na yung top-end 1.8L.

[GTi]

Well siguro that's because its an M/T. And IMHO sobrang layo na ng level of equipment since tinipiran nila ng todo ang base Tucson at wala na siyang ABS/EBD and passenger airbag which the base CRV has. Yung pantapat sa base CRV siguro is the 1.15M Theta II 2.0GLS.

So by now do you think there will be a chance that they might be able to bring in a competitively priced Elantra 2.0CRDi? Siguro konting paki-usap lang on your part.

[Starex_Gold]

Hindi naman ako kill-joy pero hindi na naman kailangan ng CRDi na Elantra.

Ang i30, sobrang bare. Priced at 1M, may bumili?

[maimaicomp]

kailan kaya ilalabas ito sa pinas?

[maimaicomp]

kailan kaya ilalabas ito sa pinas? ang ganda!

[eggman]

Hindi naman ako kill-joy pero hindi na naman kailangan ng CRDi na Elantra.

Ang i30, sobrang bare. Priced at 1M, may bumili?

May mga bumili ng i30 dahil trip nila yung looks nyan(mukhang BMW 1 Series ang likod nya)..Di naman yan bare dahil may anim na airbags yan pero lumiit ang rims nya in exchange sa safety features.

Dapat maging kapresyo ng Cruze kahit papaano ang new Elantra..Wag sanang matulad to sa lumang Elantra na Altis wannabe.

[Starex_Gold]

Alam ko may bumili.

Marami ba?

Ang alam ko itatapat sa presyo ng Altis..

Yun ang alam ko. Pero babaguhin nanaman yung specs ang t*nga kasi nung umayos ng price Di masyado tiningnan ng maigi yung specs.

[GTi]

May mga bumili ng i30 dahil trip nila yung looks nyan(mukhang BMW 1 Series ang likod nya)..Di naman yan bare dahil may anim na airbags yan pero lumiit ang rims nya in exchange sa safety features.

Dapat maging kapresyo ng Cruze kahit papaano ang new Elantra..Wag sanang matulad to sa lumang Elantra na Altis wannabe.

+1 on this one. IMHO, they got too greedy with the i30's pricing last time thinking that its good points will have people buying it despite the lack of an A/T and exorbitant prices. If they price the Elantra the same way they priced the Accent then surely it will be a big hit especially if there is a competitively priced diesel. The Elantra may be successful with the 1.8DCVVT engine but if it comes with the 2.0CRDi, it will immortalize itself in automotive history.