Firefighter volunteer pwede ba magpalagay ng wangwang/blinker sa sasakyan?

[confused shoes]

atleast those volunteers are doing something for our people and country while you guys saying "daang matuwid" at sumunod sa batas aren't doing anything but whine.:cry2: with out the volunteers tingnan natin kung ano mang yari sa bansa natin, di naman kaya ng governemnt natin rumisponde sa lahat ng emergency. actually mas nakaka tulong pa mga volunteers kesa sa mga tao ng government na dapat sila ang gumawa non at madalas mas qualified pa sila, pati pag tiningnan mo yung mga government ambulance pa ang abusado sa wang wang mga volunteers pag may emergency lang talaga. so have a little respect for them. kung gusto mo bumili at mag kabit ng wang wang di bumili ka kesa nag rereklamo kayo dito eh wala naman kayo natutulong. para kayong mga leftist na panay reklamo pero wala naman ginagawa para maka tulong. jan kasi kayo magaling mag reklamo pero mga wala naman silbi.

Wala naman pong nagsasabing hindi nakakatulong ang mga volunteers. Ang pinag-uusapan po dito is kung legal na gumamit sila ng blinkers.

[foresterx]

Wala naman pong nagsasabing hindi nakakatulong ang mga volunteers. Ang pinag-uusapan po dito is kung legal na gumamit sila ng blinkers.

pinapa labas mo kasi mali parin ang ginagawa nilang pag lagay ng wang wang. how many government owned ambulances and firetrucks are there? sigurado yung mga private owned ambulance and firetrucks eh doble ng government owned, so yes legally it's not allowed but kung tatanggalan mo sila ng wang wang ma dedelay sila sa pag responde sa mga emergency sino ang kawawa pag ganon? ang taong bayan din naman na tutulungan nila na dapat ang government natin gumagawa pero di nila ma gawa dahil kinurakot nila pang bili ng mga ambulance at firetrucks. madalas pa sa mga government owned ambulance eh di qualified ang driver kaya abusado gumamit ng wang wang while mga volunteers natin talagang trained and fully equipped. kaya ako pag naka rinig ng wang wang nag bibigay daan na lang ako kahit pa unmarked vehicle yan cause you'll never know baka may tutulungan yan, kung abusado eh bahala na sila sa buhay nila basta ako ginawa ko part ko kahit na napakaliit lang non.

di naman pwede sundin ng mga volunteers natin ang batas ng 100% dahil alam naman natin na ang mga batas natin ay hindi plinano maige at yung mga nag papatupad or gumawa ng batas natin madalas pang sarili lang din nila iniisip nila.

[confused shoes]

pinapa labas mo kasi mali parin ang ginagawa nilang pag lagay ng wang wang..... so yes legally it's not allowed ...:

Pinapalabas na mali?

"Pinapalabas na mali" ang ibig sabihin "tama pero sinasabing mali". Wala po akong pinapalabas na mali kahit siguro balik-balikan nyo ang thread 1 million times. Kayo na rin mismo ang nagsabing "legally it's not allowed". Well, I don't know how do you interpret your own words.

Siguro naman satisfied na si TS sa mga comments kung allowed ang mga volunteers na maglagay ng blinkers.

[erick_214]

atleast those volunteers are doing something for our people and country while you guys saying "daang matuwid" at sumunod sa batas aren't doing anything but whine.:cry2: with out the volunteers tingnan natin kung ano mang yari sa bansa natin, di naman kaya ng governemnt natin rumisponde sa lahat ng emergency. actually mas nakaka tulong pa mga volunteers kesa sa mga tao ng government na dapat sila ang gumawa non at madalas mas qualified pa sila, pati pag tiningnan mo yung mga government ambulance pa ang abusado sa wang wang mga volunteers pag may emergency lang talaga. so have a little respect for them. kung gusto mo bumili at mag kabit ng wang wang di bumili ka kesa nag rereklamo kayo dito eh wala naman kayo natutulong. para kayong mga leftist na panay reklamo pero wala naman ginagawa para maka tulong. jan kasi kayo magaling mag reklamo pero mga wala naman silbi.

Kahit naman may ginagawa na tama o mali man, kung nakasulat sa batas ay mali eh mali pa rin talaga. Kaya ang laki ng kinikita ng mga attorney dahil sa ganitong mga pananaw eh. Kung ako man ang tutulong at magiging volunteer eh sisiguraduhing kong nasa tuwid na daan talaga ang tatahakin ko. Sapagkat kahit anumang kagandahang asal na nakikita ng tao sa isang tao kung ito ay mali ay mali pa rin sa batas eh mali pa rin talaga.

Kung kulangin man ng gamit ang gobyerno eh dapat nilang makita yan para magdagdag sila. Sa aking personal na pananaw eh isang dahilan lang ito upng makapagpakabit ng wang-wang ang mga pribadong tao. Tsaka normal naman sa tao ang magreklamo, ang hindi normal ay yung paggawa ng mali...

So paano ng pala kung sakaling magkabungguan ang mga private volunteers na may wang-wang dahil sa mabilis niyang pagpapatakbo at ang isang taong nagmamaneho ay matatalo sa kaso yung volunteer? Hay, ang gulo na talaga sa Pilipinas...

[erick_214]

pinapa labas mo kasi mali parin ang ginagawa nilang pag lagay ng wang wang. how many government owned ambulances and firetrucks are there? sigurado yung mga private owned ambulance and firetrucks eh doble ng government owned, so yes legally it's not allowed but kung tatanggalan mo sila ng wang wang ma dedelay sila sa pag responde sa mga emergency sino ang kawawa pag ganon? ang taong bayan din naman na tutulungan nila na dapat ang government natin gumagawa pero di nila ma gawa dahil kinurakot nila pang bili ng mga ambulance at firetrucks. madalas pa sa mga government owned ambulance eh di qualified ang driver kaya abusado gumamit ng wang wang while mga volunteers natin talagang trained and fully equipped. kaya ako pag naka rinig ng wang wang nag bibigay daan na lang ako kahit pa unmarked vehicle yan cause you'll never know baka may tutulungan yan, kung abusado eh bahala na sila sa buhay nila basta ako ginawa ko part ko kahit na napakaliit lang non.

di naman pwede sundin ng mga volunteers natin ang batas ng 100% dahil alam naman natin na ang mga batas natin ay hindi plinano maige at yung mga nag papatupad or gumawa ng batas natin madalas pang sarili lang din nila iniisip nila.

Kung sa ganyang lang din pala eh, dapat pala ay hindi hinuhuli yung mga magnanakaw, carnapper, snatcher etc sapagkat ginagawa lamang nila ang magnakaw upang may mapakain sila sa pamilya nilang nagugutom?

[OTEP]

With regards to crashes, we allow both fully marked and marked p.o.v units to undergo the same investigative procedures should contact with another vehicle, property or pedestrian occur. At least in our company and brigade. The minimum requirement in our side of town is that private units must also bear markings so as not to be classified as unmarked. My p.o.v. is marked so at least thats one hurdle over. The rest, well, we aren't government units so there's no point in that. All our units including the ones that provide a fee per use service are technically not included in the antiquated martial law rule.

Just the same, ems and fire fighters can also be charged appropriately if they have failed to do their duty correctly resulting in wrongful death or injury.

There are numerous private search and rescue companies in the market today for those who do not want to avail of volunteer services.

Sir coder, despite being marked, the previously posted units are all privately owned so its a field day for all the legal eagles out there. . And there are no rules as to how "marked" a vehicle needs to be. Otherwise, its time to apprehend Lifeline's Spark of Life Chevy Spark. Its marked, yes. But its still a private vehicle by class.

And just to make it clear, no proper volunteer or private service provider would allow unmarked units whether company owned or privately owned to use traffic control equipment especially when in motion. I have never seen an unmarked unit at a medical call or fire scene. All vehicles have at least some marking or livery to identify them but then if we took the law to the letter, it still wouldn't be enough unless we probably switched them over to red plates. Something not bound to happen soon with companies like Lifeline, Aeromed and the volunteer community.

And if anyone wants to complain, sa mooncake festival matatagpuan ang biggest collection ng private ambulances, fire trucks and p.o.v's. ang next ay new year and then sa march na. . Yan lang kasi ang time na nagkikita kita lahat.

[OTEP]

Some of the remarks remind me of a certain hospital management level person who contended that the hospital personnel should not rescue the accident victim of a motorcycle crash despite the crash happening in front of the hospital as there could be legal repercussions against the hospital should they decide to attempt a rescue as the nurses and doctors have not been formally trained by the hospital to carry out such work (it isnt that hard). Mas problema pa niya yun instead of the victim laying on the pavement. Rescuers from another part of town came after almost an hour on the pavement.

Also the same person that complained when volunteers visited the hospital to help in the clean up after habagat. Again more pre occupied with looking for the legal basis of such actions instead of being thankful that people actually spared their time to help just so the hospital can go back to regular operations sooner.

And again, peace po tayo mga tsikoteers. . Not trying to down anyone here. All views and opinions are respected and we actually read the stuff you post here when we are waiting for calls.

[CoDer]

With regards to crashes, we allow both fully marked and marked p.o.v units to undergo the same investigative procedures should contact with another vehicle, property or pedestrian occur. At least in our company and brigade. The minimum requirement in our side of town is that private units must also bear markings so as not to be classified as unmarked. My p.o.v. is marked so at least thats one hurdle over. The rest, well, we aren't government units so there's no point in that. All our units including the ones that provide a fee per use service are technically not included in the antiquated martial law rule.

Just the same, ems and fire fighters can also be charged appropriately if they have failed to do their duty correctly resulting in wrongful death or injury.

There are numerous private search and rescue companies in the market today for those who do not want to avail of volunteer services.

Sir coder, despite being marked, the previously posted units are all privately owned so its a field day for all the legal eagles out there. . And there are no rules as to how "marked" a vehicle needs to be. Otherwise, its time to apprehend Lifeline's Spark of Life Chevy Spark. Its marked, yes. But its still a private vehicle by class.

And just to make it clear, no proper volunteer or private service provider would allow unmarked units whether company owned or privately owned to use traffic control equipment especially when in motion. I have never seen an unmarked unit at a medical call or fire scene. All vehicles have at least some marking or livery to identify them but then if we took the law to the letter, it still wouldn't be enough unless we probably switched them over to red plates. Something not bound to happen soon with companies like Lifeline, Aeromed and the volunteer community.

And if anyone wants to complain, sa mooncake festival matatagpuan ang biggest collection ng private ambulances, fire trucks and p.o.v's. ang next ay new year and then sa march na. . Yan lang kasi ang time na nagkikita kita lahat.

Wala namang problema Doc whether privately owned ba yan o hindi, as long as my proper marking. Problem kasi sa blinker eh masyadong tong naabuso, kahit sino pwede mag lagay.

I personally salute you for the services you've rendered to the community, and you have my highest respect.

[foresterx]

Pinapalabas na mali?

"Pinapalabas na mali" ang ibig sabihin "tama pero sinasabing mali". Wala po akong pinapalabas na mali kahit siguro balik-balikan nyo ang thread 1 million times. Kayo na rin mismo ang nagsabing "legally it's not allowed". Well, I don't know how do you interpret your own words.

Siguro naman satisfied na si TS sa mga comments kung allowed ang mga volunteers na maglagay ng blinkers.

Kung sa ganyang lang din pala eh, dapat pala ay hindi hinuhuli yung mga magnanakaw, carnapper, snatcher etc sapagkat ginagawa lamang nila ang magnakaw upang may mapakain sila sa pamilya nilang nagugutom?

hirap maki pag talo sa mga taong ganito ang pag iisip.:bwahaha: crab mentality ika nga, reasons why paurong ang bansa natin. di ko na lang papatulan gantong tao.:bwahaha: halos lahat ng member dito sa tsikot galit sa wang wang pero karamihan sang ayon sa mga volunteers magka wang wang 2 lang ang hindi. bakit kaya?

[confused shoes]

hirap maki pag talo sa mga taong ganito ang pag iisip.:bwahaha: crab mentality ika nga, reasons why paurong ang bansa natin. di ko na lang papatulan gantong tao.:bwahaha: halos lahat ng member dito sa tsikot galit sa wang wang pero karamihan sang ayon sa mga volunteers magka wang wang 2 lang ang hindi. bakit kaya?

I see you have posted 2,259 in this forum but in fact you still don't understand what you are talking about. Plain and simple sir, the thread asked whether "pwede(legal) na maglagay ng blinkers ang mga volunteers".

We are not talking here about helping others. That's totally different issue. Do you think the only means to help the needy is through volunteering and mounting a "wang wang" on your X5? C'mon, our marines are risking their lives just to save one of your kind.

Pasensya na bossing Tagalog at English lang ang alam kong isulat.

[erick_214]

hirap maki pag talo sa mga taong ganito ang pag iisip.:bwahaha: crab mentality ika nga, reasons why paurong ang bansa natin. di ko na lang papatulan gantong tao.:bwahaha: halos lahat ng member dito sa tsikot galit sa wang wang pero karamihan sang ayon sa mga volunteers magka wang wang 2 lang ang hindi. bakit kaya?

Hindi porke sang-ayon ang nakararami ay tama na, kahit bali-baligtarin mo pa ang sitwasyon eh kahit kailanman hindi magiging tama ang mali at mali ang tama...Ang dahilan kung bakit hindi umuunlad ang Pilipinas ay dahil sa mga taong ginagawang tama ang mali dahil alam nilang makakalusot sila sa batas sapagkat mura lang naman ang karampatang fines and penalties dito. Ang mga taong marunong sumunod sa batas ay masasabi kong bilang na lang dito sa ating bansa.

Hindi ko naman sinasabing itigil nila ang pagiging "volunteer" nila pero dapat sana ay 100% tama ang kanilang ginagawa. Sayang, napakabagal kasi ng pag-usad ng kaso dito sa atin kaya maraming tao na rin ang wala nang pag-asa sa pagbabagong sa panaginip na lang ata mangyayari. Mahirap bang sagutin ang tanong ko sa itaas?

[jayzce]

wow haba pala nito.

Malinaw naman po lahat dba. Hindi legal ang paggamit ng siren and blinkers ng mga volunteers who use them in their cars. Hindi naman din po sinasabi tama ang gumamit sa mga volunteers. There's a reason why it is being used that simple lang naman po. Some volunteers have their Fire aparatus sa mga designated garage nila. If there's a fire and only the driver is around that is where those sirens and blinkers come into place sa mga privately owned verhicles, kaya po ginagamit ng mga volunteers iyan para po maka sunod sa fire scene to lend a helping hand sa mga nasusunugan or sa mga kapwa bumbero pati sa mga local fire fighters nga gobyerno.

[jspam]

Just wondering what this is??? Airport service vehicle ba ito with top light? Says Air Gurus on the rear window. Taken at Buendia Makati Ave. yesterday.

[erick_214]

Just wondering what this is??? Airport service vehicle ba ito with top light? Says Air Gurus on the rear window. Taken at Buendia Makati Ave. yesterday.

That's one of the reasons why blinkers on green plates should be strictly prohibited...Kahit na gamitin sa responsableng paraan ay M A L I pa rin di ba?

[erick_214]

wow haba pala nito.

Malinaw naman po lahat dba. Hindi legal ang paggamit ng siren and blinkers ng mga volunteers who use them in their cars. Hindi naman din po sinasabi tama ang gumamit sa mga volunteers. There's a reason why it is being used that simple lang naman po. Some volunteers have their Fire aparatus sa mga designated garage nila. If there's a fire and only the driver is around that is where those sirens and blinkers come into place sa mga privately owned verhicles, kaya po ginagamit ng mga volunteers iyan para po maka sunod sa fire scene to lend a helping hand sa mga nasusunugan or sa mga kapwa bumbero pati sa mga local fire fighters nga gobyerno.

WeLL,

Siguro kung sa mga properly marked trucks and vans eh maiintindihan naman natin na ok lang kahit na ILLEGAL ang pag-install. Ngunit, alam naman nating lahat na siguradong may mga mag-aabuso nyan. So anong dapat gawin para hindi abusuhin? Maaaring sabihin ng isang volunteer na hindi niya ginagamit sa private car nya yan pero ilan ba sa kanila ang ganyan? In fairness, simula nung umupo si Pnoy eh marami din namang mga emergency vehicles ang nagtino, pati na rin mga police cars na nagtino.

[OTEP]

Yellow blinkers are not considered as 'emergency lights'. Only ACE COR ambulance is dumb enough to use amber/yellow on their ambulances that's why people get confused. Yellow alone means caution. They are added on to emergency vehicles but mostly in the rear for safety. But red/blue are still the lights that declare an emergency, white is also just an add on and doesnt really mean anything by itself. I mostly use the whites as scene lighting when the is stationary.

Yellow is required when driving in special areas like airport taxiways, mining sites, etc.

Even Maynilad trucks have these when they operate in special areas. Also vehicles with wide or oversized loads require yellow/amber warning lamps.

In other countries, you can only use them up to 25mph. Anything above and they have to be turned off.

P.s. air gurus is one of the leading air ambulance service providers in the country. Their ground units provide the logistics to keep the services ready 24/7.

Im also getting one of my personal vehicles fully marked para wala nang may masabi. Just getting the mechanicals fixed up at the moment.

[OTEP]

Found a video of Golden Fire & Rescue's Mitsubishi Lancer: