Water/Alcohol injection Turbo Diesel use

[trekker_1967]

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WHO IS INTERESTED TO ATTEND WATER METHANOL EYE BALL EVENT.
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2. NAP123 (sa trooper mo demo installation.)
3. diesoline
4. trekker_1967 (like to purchase one set)
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[dvldoc]

Some questions on how to order came up.

Just sign up on the site www.alcohol-injection.com

You will be ordering the Universal Stage 1 kit (Low boost) 2-12psi

or the High boost (12-30psi) kit

DO NOT ORDER THE DIESEL KIT (That is for US version TDI engines only)

In the comments section put (M2-M3-M5 NOZZLES) This range covers all passenger vehicles there)

Once you get to the check out and after the card info is entered, Put in the code: salamat and hit redeem this will auto adjust the Price and shipping to the discounted price. the proceed with check out. Paypal is not excepted from the PI on the site because of the security settings.

PAYPAL USER

Send payment of 195USD to sales*alcohol-injection.com

Subject: Philippines group buy

In the comments section : Universal Stage 1 kit M2-M3-M5 nozzles
Code: Salamat

[dvldoc]

[SIZE=+1][SIZE=4]257495.04 km 30PSI of boost and alcohol injection. This is a 3.8 Liter motor use in the Buick Grand National.

Notice almost no carbon on the valves, combustion chamber or piston tops.
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Enough said.




Compare to no alcohol injection


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[srbogoy]

dvldoc - very nice almost 0 carbon deposit in the combustion chamber,, can you pls post also some pics of the crankshaft main bearings and crankpin bearings or connecting rod bearings of that Buick grand national engine?

[dvldoc]

dvldoc - very nice almost 0 carbon deposit in the combustion chamber,, can you pls post also some pics of the crankshaft main bearings and crankpin bearings or connecting rod bearings of that Buick grand national engine?

This particular engine blue a oil cooler line and trashed the cam, He never took pics of the bottom half before the rebuild. sorry. Alcohol injection would no effect on those areas of the motor since its not in the combustion chamber on intake track.

I'd post some EGR valve pics but looks like I am maxed out on links for this thread.

[4JGtootsie]

Have tested the water methanol injection on a trooper with a 4JG2-TC. My main objective is preserving my engine components especially on up hill run with loaded passenger/cargo and not for racing or speed.

What I have noticed most is the colder exhaust gas temperature. This is significant because at 1200F aluminum components will weaken and prolong operation under this temperature will melt it.

On activation on city roads i didnt quite feel the benefits because I drive light on the throttle but once on the open highway I felt the added horses.
I will recommend an on/off switch inside the car so you can turn it off when you feel its not needed to preserve the methanol on your tank.

What i enjoyed doing is run it at a high speed and switch the meth without altering the throttle it does zoom. You will also have blue colored exhaust when activated.

I use everstar wind shield washer(no idea on meth% because its not written on the label). I plan to use other proposed fuels, nozzle sizes, psi/bar setting this coming days.

[dvldoc]

Glad your enjoying your system. Most people compare the kick on a turbo diesel with the kit is like a small shot of nitrous on the vehicle. I'm sure you noticed right away the truck boost up faster and the power comes on quicker and does not go away at the top end.

[johnqpublic318]

dvldoc,

Ok. I'm interested. What are the power gains on a naturally-aspirated diesel? If the system is activated by boost, how will we turn it on a non-turbo motor? My 4.2-liter diesel Patrol is stock except for propane injection that's activated by throttle travel.

On a 2008 3-liter common-rail diesel Ford Everest boost is ECM controlled and can't be easily turned-up, will there be any gains if boost is simply left at stock level?

Also, why the Universal kit and not the Diesel Universal kit?

[dvldoc]

dvldoc,

Ok. I'm interested. What are the power gains on a naturally-aspirated diesel? If the system is activated by boost, how will we turn it on a non-turbo motor? My 4.2-liter diesel Patrol is stock except for propane injection that's activated by throttle travel.

On a 2008 3-liter common-rail diesel Ford Everest boost is ECM controlled and can't be easily turned-up, will there be any gains if boost is simply left at stock level?

Also, why the Universal kit and not the Diesel Universal kit?

N/A Diesels see around 10% gains, You can loose the propane injection it's really not doing much for you on a non-turbo diesel and your not getting any of the other benefits of the alcohol injection like cylinder washing, lower EGT's, propane does help reduce emissions by giving you a complete fuel burn but does almost nothing for temperature drops for the intake nothing close to alcohol injections 100F to 150F drops and reduction in EGT up to 300 degrees depending on nozzle size. You can use the same type of activation switch to activate alcohol injection.

You should have put the propane injection on the Everest you'll pick up great power add the water injection and it will be ridiculous power with no draw backs. Your PCM will make the adjustment of giving you full timing all the time if it has a IAT sensor (Incoming air temp) sensor.

With turbo diesels there really is no tuning needed, you will gain 20% to 30% HP depending on your mix % and nozzle size and pretty much all of them.

You want the Universal kit because our diesel kits are set up for American displacement engines and trucks. were talking 5 to 6 liter V8's here making 3 times your hp and 4 times your torque. The nozzles size it comes with would drown your engine. You can order that kit if you wanted you would just have to go through the extra trouble of requesting the correct nozzle sizes for your application. Yours a M3 or would be around your size, on the everest i believe thats a 2.5 liter with a air to water intercooler.

HERE is our nozzle calculator. http://www.alcohol-injection.com/for...calculator.exe


Here is the operating pressure of the nozzle sizes you would use on our pump.

To inform advertise pump pressure is only what kind of pressure switch is on the pump, Nozzle size determines pump pressure.

M2 230psi M2=2 gallon Per hour or 126ml/min*100psi
M3 225psi M3=3 gallons per hour or 189/ml min*100psi
M4 215psi M4=4 gallons per hour or 252/ml min*100psi
M5 190psi M5=5 gallons per hour or 315/ml min*100psi

[johnqpublic318]

[QUOTE=dvldoc;1011910]N/A Diesels see around 10% gains, You can loose the propane injection it's really not doing much for you on a non-turbo diesel and your not getting any of the other benefits of the alcohol injection like cylinder washing, lower EGT's, propane does help reduce emissions by giving you a complete fuel burn but does almost nothing for temperature drops for the intake nothing close to alcohol injections 100F to 150F drops and reduction in EGT up to 300 degrees depending on nozzle size. You can use the same type of activation switch to activate alcohol injection.

You should have put the propane injection on the Everest you'll pick up great power add the water injection and it will be ridiculous power with no draw backs. Your PCM will make the adjustment of giving you full timing all the time if it has a IAT sensor (Incoming air temp) sensor.

With turbo diesels there really is no tuning needed, you will gain 20% to 30% HP depending on your mix % and nozzle size and pretty much all of them.

You want the Universal kit because our diesel kits are set up for American displacement engines and trucks. were talking 5 to 6 liter V8's here making 3 times your hp and 4 times your torque. The nozzles size it comes with would drown your engine. You can order that kit if you wanted you would just have to go through the extra trouble of requesting the correct nozzle sizes for your application. Yours a M3 or would be around your size, on the everest i believe thats a 2.5 liter with a air to water intercooler.
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Yup, not much gain with propane injection with a N/A diesel only 10% rwhp as measured on a roller dyno for my 4.2 diesel Nissan Patrol. Engine temp does go up at sustained full-throttle. But, hey, it's already there and propane/LPG is cheap. If water/alcohol injection can drop temps and reduce diesel knock maybe I can turn up the propane regulator a bit and see more gains. If I get 10% more rwhp just by adding water/alcohol injection then I'd be happy with that. Nitrous should help too if I can increase fuel delivery but that's a different story.

4x4 Everests now have 3-liter common-rail diesels that pump out 156hp and 380Nm (280 ft-lbs) of torque. Yes, it's turbo-intercooled.

[dvldoc]

Hope to see you on the 22nd then for the demo, I'll have the G-Tech performance meter with me to measure 0-60 times, and hp changes with the alcohol injection. Should be able to do temp set ups on most vehicles if they don't mind pre turbo injection. At the psi were injecting at it will not harm your impeller. It just gives you a ideal of how much power you pick up and the changes alcohol injection makes.

Bring your vehicle and see what she does on the alcohol injection.

[asyong]

sir, how much the total cost of h20/meth injection system if installed on ford ranger ? how many hp/torque gain if installed on 2.5tdci ranger ?

[dvldoc]

sir, how much the total cost of h20/meth injection system if installed on ford ranger ? how many hp/torque gain if installed on 2.5tdci ranger ?

Sir, the cost with the special group buy going on right now is 15% off the total price of $220USD and your not paying the shipping fee to the Philippines. If you use the coupon code of salamat, you get the 15% off the price will vary depending on the USD value for that day.

Install is pretty easy and strait forward, you can expect on any turbo diesel around 20% more horse power and torque. Even strait water will give you more than 10% more HP add alcohol and the numbers just go up from there.

Alcohol injection at a 15 to 20% ratio gives on average almost any TD motor 20% more power overall. It is not uncommon to gain more with a 20% mix.

Stock 2.5 Ranger HP 143hp or 109kw would go to around 171hp or 127kw
Stock 2.5 Ranger TORQUE 245lbs or 330nm would to to around 294lbs or 398 KW

A 3.0 TDI Toyota Fortuner makes 163hp or 121kw and 267lbs or 363kw of torque.

Recap: you 171hp 295lbs tq
3.0 Toyota 163hp 267lbs tq

And all that with just running windshield washer fluid, Crazy isn't it. By the way Ace hardware carries the -20 stuff which is 40% methanol.

Imagine the look on there face as you scream past them on the highway with 8 more HP and 38lb of torque more than there 3.0 SUV All the while running lower exhaust gas temps and no drop off in HP due to high temps at full throttle.

Get a boost controller and up you boost by 3psi and your gains will be even greater.

[4JGtootsie]

"You want the Universal kit because our diesel kits are set up for American displacement engines and trucks. were talking 5 to 6 liter V8's here making 3 times your hp and 4 times your torque. The nozzles size it comes with would drown your engine. You can order that kit if you wanted you would just have to go through the extra trouble of requesting the correct nozzle sizes for your application. Yours a M3 or would be around your size, on the everest i believe thats a 2.5 liter with a air to water intercooler."

Most American diesels ( I think they call it mid range) use Duramax, Powerstrokes and Cummins engines with higher displacements than our diesels here. Nozzle sizing is of prime importance otherwise you will flood your chamber. Reordering nozzles will set you back weeks or so in shipping. So do it right the first time and you will be alright.

[johnqpublic318]

Yup, methanol is available but the more common pharmacy stuff is 70% of either ethanol and isoprophyl. Of course we can dilute this down to 50/50 or less... Anyway, will the gains be the same as with a methanol mix of the same dilution?

[dvldoc]

Gains will be slightly less with that but that is at the same concentration mix it 50/50 and you get about the same as 20/50 methanol.

Ethanol on the other hand will be the same, its octane is around 110. Just make sure it is not like the E85 gas we have in the states that contains 15% gas 75%ethanol that will destroy the pump. As long as its pure ethanol your good to go.

[4JGtootsie]

Did some reading on it and I havent heard of any damaging effects as long as you have the settings, nozzles, mixture and installed it right. Questions from rust formation, type of alchohol, boost setting, over delivery was easily solved. Maybe the only draw back is how to refill the meth once it runs out without stopping the car (solution was installing a bigger storage tank)

Got this from Diesel World Magazine Nov 2007/TECH MATTERS.
Q: What do you know about using steam (i.e water injection) to reduce NOx....

A: Yes,water,which turns to steam once inside the engine, can be used to reduce NOx. Oxides of Nitrogen occur as a by product of combustion in turbine, gasoline and diesel engines. NOx is thought to be a significant smog forming components in the atmosphere..... High-peak combustion temperature are responsible for the production of NOx.... In fact test have shown that water (or a water/alchohol mixture) injected into the intake air can reduce intake air temperature by up to 200F in a turbocharged diesel engine. The process converting liquid water to steam removes considerable amount of the heat present in compressed intake air. Reducing intake air temperature can reduce the combustion temperature by about the same amount.... EGT is the primary power limiter in a diesel engine. If you can lower EGT, you can add more boost and fuel-to make more power.

[dvldoc]

New universal kit 4cly Turbo diesel specific just for your vehicals. Includes all the nozzle sized most commonly used for your applications.

This should make ordering alot easier for you.

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/wat...age-1-237.html

[ryan17]

Some questions on how to order came up.

Just sign up on the site www.alcohol-injection.com

You will be ordering the Universal Stage 1 kit (Low boost) 2-12psi

or the High boost (12-30psi) kit

DO NOT ORDER THE DIESEL KIT (That is for US version TDI engines only)

In the comments section put (M2-M3-M5 NOZZLES) This range covers all passenger vehicles there)

Once you get to the check out and after the card info is entered, Put in the code: salamat and hit redeem this will auto adjust the Price and shipping to the discounted price. the proceed with check out. Paypal is not excepted from the PI on the site because of the security settings.

PAYPAL USER

Send payment of 195USD to sales*alcohol-injection.com

Subject: Philippines group buy

In the comments section : Universal Stage 1 kit M2-M3-M5 nozzles
Code: Salamat

Sir dvldoc,

When i place my order, what do i put in as shipping address? Also, when i try to check out, the bill includes a shipping charge which is not supposed to be, since you will be handcarrying the kits when you come here. Please clarify.
Thanks!

[dvldoc]

Your address will be your normal address, The coupon code (salamat) automatically puts the forwarding address to myself and adjust the price and shipping. We'll use your address to verify its you when you pick up your kit.

I added a specific kit in the catalog under the universal kits. That is the one you will order.
Its called the 4cly diesel universal kit.