NUVIMAX Electromagnastatic Fuel/Air Mixing System [MERGED]

[uls]

hmmm, I must admit it was more than a decade ago the last time I took chemistry.

you're explanation in your blog is impressive. however, as I was taught in writing a paper, sources of information are supposed to be cited. care to cite the sources of the theories you mentioned there so we can verify that the theory behind your invention has scientific foundation.

or if this theory or principle is your own, well good. you should publish it in scientific journals.

(i'll read it again and digest whatever digestable information there is)

highfalutin language meant to impress

[ghosthunter]

highfalutin language meant to impress

pseudo-science meant to impress and confuse at the same time.

[ghosthunter]

MODERATOR'S NOTE:

I have merged the threads with similar discussion, namely the NUVIMAX/NUVITRON fuel saving device.

Have a nice day.

[uls]

pseudo-science meant to impress and confuse at the same time.

exactly

ganyan talaga

lots of people out there using pseudo-science to sell products

ranging from fuel saving devices to food supplements than can cure any disease

[ghosthunter]

Since you mentioned it, how old are you anyway, especially if you are claiming to be twice to thrice our ages.

Hey! light2light ... is it true you are 69 years old? Not really twice my age...

[iceblueyes]

*Dynamometer data on NUVITRON available upon request. Tested by SPEEDLAB, 871
Quezon Ave., Quezon City on a DASTEK dynamometer on October 15 and 16, 2008.

I saw this on your blog
Totoo ba yan?

[eudaemonia]

Hello Team, greetings. I've read through your volleys of opinions, claims and fears. Please follow these links to see the answer to our question regarding data from disinterested third-party testing:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s2xxq9ye52dc0we/lc2BjKDIlR
Thank you.

[niky]

Hm. easy to read... essentially:

It leans out the air-fuel mixture... leading to leaner running on the carbureted Kia Pride and Galant (notice you didn't even attempt to use an EFI car)... leading to increased power in the mid-range for the Galant (the rpm range where the secondary jets open) and better fuel efficiency... but with increases in CO and HC emissions. (HC emissions through the roof there...)

Also suggested, but not shown on our inefficient local tests, is that NOx emissions would go up considerably, also... since from the data, what this item does is lean out combustion on gasoline engines with carburetors. Likely means that it either interferes with the fuel pump, or given that one device is clamped onto the fuel lines... it crimps the fuel lines, causing the engine to lean out at high loads. (a favorite trick for fuel-line magnets...

Something you can do, without buying an expensive, bulky device, by rejetting the carbs or cleaning out the fuel system.

Or perhaps crimping the fuel line with a bunch of O-Rings...

[ghosthunter]

So how does a device that claims to properly mix air & fuel for better combustion end up producing more emissions of carbon monoxide and unburned hydrocarbons? (as read on page 3 of the documents)

I thought it was supposed to be environmentally friendly?

[eudaemonia]

Hello Team, thank you for the observations from the DOST-ITDI test. Atleast now we have the premise of hard data, and not speculation. The tests done were for the electromagnetic componenet of the technology. And it works, doesn't it? The tests to be conducted with UP-VRTL will be the incorporation of the electrostatic component. We are gearing-up for this.

By the way, we didn't use CRDI- nor EFI- incorporated engines because as these are, they are sound and effective engineering for engines' fuel systems. What we wanted to show is that the technology/ies we have contribute to fuel efficiency (savings is a misnomer) without these (CRDI and EFI), and compare the data with those which have them (the stuff of car ads, whether from unbiased statistical data, or hype).

I shall be sending a link to show several engine installations.

Best regards,

eudaemonia.

[eudaemonia]

*ghosthunter-you thought right. from then to now, we've improved on this. The the synnergy of two technologies. Please see the link for reference, non-intrusive (non-fuel-line-crimping) technology:

https://www.dropbox.com/sm/create/NU...ION-TSIKOT.ppt

Best regards,

eudaemonia

[eudaemonia]

What's crazier is our challenge the developers' debate to have this technology donated for the Philippine benefit. Our debate's still on.

[ghosthunter]

Hello Team, thank you for the observations from the DOST-ITDI test. Atleast now we have the premise of hard data, and not speculation. The tests done were for the electromagnetic componenet of the technology. And it works, doesn't it? The tests to be conducted with UP-VRTL will be the incorporation of the electrostatic component. We are gearing-up for this.

By the way, we didn't use CRDI- nor EFI- incorporated engines because as these are, they are sound and effective engineering for engines' fuel systems. What we wanted to show is that the technology/ies we have contribute to fuel efficiency (savings is a misnomer) without these (CRDI and EFI), and compare the data with those which have them (the stuff of car ads, whether from unbiased statistical data, or hype).

I shall be sending a link to show several engine installations.

Best regards,

eudaemonia.

So... what you have presented are documents done on (then) 17 year old cars back in 2008 with carb engines. Also the same documents shows the device DOES NOT work as claimed as evidenced by the INCREASE of polluting emissions with the device installed and active. It also shows INCOMPLETE testing done since one set of tests was done on one car while another set of testing was done on another. (Mitsu Galant had the power & emissions test while the Kia Pride has the fuel mileage test)

It also shows this device, which doesn't work as claimed on cars with two decades old technology, would have no significance and no application to cars with modern fuel injection engines.

BTW, the test data also shows the device has NO EFFECT on diesel engines.

BTW2, testimonies (last three pages) are not acceptable as data nor evidence.

BTW3, *light2light, I don't see that significant increase in HP with the device installed and running as you claim that the device can function like a turbocharger on an engine.

[Walter]

Hello Team, stop feeding the strange troll. He's waiting for divine intervention. They challenge people to test their imaginary product using computer simulation. Where, oh where is OB when you need him?

[ghosthunter]

Hello Team, stop feeding the strange troll. He's waiting for divine intervention. They challenge people to test their imaginary product using computer simulation. Where, oh where is OB when you need him?

It would be a miracle if "light2light" actually knows what a computer looks like, given how he "knows" about turbochargers and even probably knows much less on how his own gadget supposed to work. LOL!

[jut703]

By saying that this product isn't meant for EFI and CRDi engines, who exactly do you plan to sell to?

There are no more carbureted brand-new cars in the market. Even taxi operators who loved the Corolla XL (both AE101 and AE111) are decreasing in number and are quickly being replaced by the unbelievably thrifty Vios.

You're about 20 years too late in releasing a product that doesn't work.

[dvldoc]

Why is that my job? I do business with speedlab does not mean I should prove your product works for you. It's simple you call them and ask or drive over there and get the supposed dyno test. Smells more and more fishy every post on this thread. If you post up stuff like this on this forum be prepared to be challenged by forum members.

Not to mention the dyno is clearly doctored. The fact that it has on the Baseline then With Nuvitron and the(TM) symbol on it (Speedlab dyno's don't look like that and the program does not allow you to put TM in the elevated smaller position.



And what kind of testing cost 80P? Please state the test, were it was tested and what is checked and how it's checked and the results. Post your results, it's called a PDF link it's not hard.

Please post your patent as well since you claim you have one.

This is the US patent you like to quote which is nothing like what you guys are trying to sell.

Patent US4069665 - Gas ionizing apparatus for improving the operation of an internal combustion ... - Google Patents

http://www.google.com/patents/US4069...epage&q&f=true

What your trying to pawn off as the same thing.


This is the blogspot you guys clearly copied.

nuvitronfuelsaver: NUVITRON FACTS

Now here is the Patent application from Perlito G. Cabauatan the originator of this product in the Philippines.

Document Code: PH A
[21] Application Number: 1 -2008-000244
[54] Title: ELECTRONIC (ELECTROMAGNETIC) FUEL ECONOMIZER FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE
[72] Inventor(s): PERLITO G CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
PERCIVAL G CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
JOHN R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
CLARISSA R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
PATRICIO R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
[73] Applicant/Assignee: PERLITO G CABAUATA, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
[74] Attorney/Agent: PATRICIO R CABAUATAN
[22] Date Filed: 7/17/2008
[30] Priority Data: NONE
[51] International Class7: F02M 27/04
[57] Abstract:

A gasoline, diesel and alternative fuel conditioning device for enhancing fuel efficiency of internal combustion engines. The fuel conditioning device consists of a housing (7) encapsulating therein an oscillator IC (12), whose output is fed to a transistor power amplifier (13) producing a square wave Electromagnetic (EM) field in the infrasound spectrum (1Hz to 20Hz). The field is unipolar in that it sends an EM field in one direction; ionizing fuel modules either negatively or positively, but never both. When ionized singly, the ions will be freed from their clustered condition and will be freed from each other (Figure 5). The amplified output from the electronic member (figure 4) is fed to two series-aidingsolenoids (9) which concentrate the EM field through a reluctance path that allows little or no energy to go astray. Figure 7 shows the transducer design which concentrates the EM field in a small area so as to minimize the possibility of disturbing other electronic member. On the positive pulse, EM energy is present at the solenoids. When the voltage is going negatively during the next cycle, no EM energy is produced by the solenoids. When the voltage is going negatively during the next cycle, no EM energy is produced by the solenoids. The presence of diode D1 connected in the reverse mode will absorb the electromotive force (emf), thus the fuel is ionized in a single direction.



Electronic Gazette

And here is his other patten application look familiar?

Document Code: PH A
[21] Application Number: 1 -2008-000269
[54] Title: ELECTRONIC ENGINE ENHANCER SYSTEM FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES
[72] Inventor(s): PERLITO G CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
PATRICIO R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
[73] Applicant/Assignee: PERLITO G CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
[74] Attorney/Agent: NONE
[22] Date Filed: 7/31/2008
[30] Priority Data: NONE
[51] International Class7: F02M 23/00; F02M 29/00; F02M 31/00
[57] Abstract:

A gasoline and diesel fuel economizer consists of a housing and cover, with a plurality of PCB assemblies. The fuel conditioning apparatus conditions the fuel molecules electromagnetically and conditions the air particles electrostatically. The electromagnetic transducer is attached to the fuel intake hose while the electrostatic electrodes are installe inside the air induction system.

[dvldoc]

The 3rd patent application from the same guy.

Document Code: PH A
[21] Application Number: 1 -2008-000261
[54] Title: ELECTRONIC (ELECTROSTATIC) FUEL ECONOMIZER FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE
[72] Inventor(s): PERLITO G CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
CLARISSA R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
PATRICIO R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
PERCIVAL R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
JOHN PAUL R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
[73] Applicant/Assignee: PERLITO G CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
CLARISSA R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
PERCIVAL R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
JOHN PAUL R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
PATRICIO R CABAUATAN, OF NUEVA VIZCAYA, PHILIPPINES
[74] Attorney/Agent: NONE
[22] Date Filed: 7/24/2008
[30] Priority Data: NONE
[51] International Class7: F02M 27/04; F02M 25/00; H01F 7/02; H01J 27/00; B01D 53/56
[57] Abstract:

Internal combustion engines usually are powered by gasoline, diesel or alternative fuels. This device `treats` the incoming air or induction systems of engines by producing a `corona discharge` around pointed electrodes installed in the air intake hose. As a standard, the electrodes are made negative with respect to the fuel molecules.

The ionization of the air molecules is made much higher than the normal charge of the fuel molecules. As far as the negatively charged air is concerned, the fuel molecules are positively charged. When the two oppositely charged elements combine in the carburetor/fuel injection pump, a higher combustion is achieved.



Note these are just applications, They have no patent.

This stuff goes all the way back to 2004.

http://www.knoxpages.com/forum/pop_p...&TOPIC_ID=1362

[lowslowbenz]

By saying that this product isn't meant for EFI and CRDi engines, who exactly do you plan to sell to?

There are no more carbureted brand-new cars in the market. Even taxi operators who loved the Corolla XL (both AE101 and AE111) are decreasing in number and are quickly being replaced by the unbelievably thrifty Vios.

You're about 20 years too late in releasing a product that doesn't work.

I "still" drive a carby Merc (when I have the time) ..

No hi-tech fuel saving devices needed though, my car is tuned to factory specs (no BS-ting)

Daily road weapon of choice is the thrifty Vios ..

[uls]

By the way, we didn't use CRDI- nor EFI- incorporated engines because as these are, they are sound and effective engineering for engines' fuel systems. What we wanted to show is that the technology/ies we have contribute to fuel efficiency (savings is a misnomer) without these (CRDI and EFI), and compare the data with those which have them (the stuff of car ads, whether from unbiased statistical data, or hype).

so your product only benefits carburetor engines

bet you have a HUGE market

haha