Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[matty]

Based sa mitsu casa kung naka turbo xp ka change filter lang sa 15k saka top up the oil lang.

I see sir. Thanks so much!

Cant wait for 20k and be able to use a different oil and baldwin for my rig. Curious about the effect.

[matty]

Technically, its only fully synthetic oils that can be used until 10,000 kms. So Delo 400, Delvac MX, Rimula, etc... are all essentially mineral oils so better change at 5,000 kms than gambling with false economy in the long run. Of course that's just my opinion.

The only thing that will convince me to do extended oil change is if I paid alot for the oil filter and oil (fully synth). Otherwise, if you are using inexpensive filter and oil then its better to do more frequent (5K) oil change.

Is it really stated anywhere as a rule na dapat fully synth lang every 10k ang OCI? What is the difference pala of multigrade sa mineral? Kasi yung delo 400 multigrade nakalagay. Mineral din ba yun? There are fellow tsikoteers kasi na nagsasabi and i believe based on experience na delo 400 plus a good filter like baldwin can do 10k. I dont want to start a debate here. I just want clarification and what is best for my engine. All of you are of great help for someone like me and i am very thankful. I am learning a lot.

[number001]

Is it really stated anywhere as a rule na dapat fully synth lang every 10k ang OCI? What is the difference pala of multigrade sa mineral? Kasi yung delo 400 multigrade nakalagay. Mineral din ba yun? There are fellow tsikoteers kasi na nagsasabi and i believe based on experience na delo 400 plus a good filter like baldwin can do 10k. I dont want to start a debate here. I just want clarification and what is best for my engine. All of you are of great help for someone like me and i am very thankful. I am learning a lot.

Right now, I have a low mileage L300 about 19K mileage now. It has been on BD28 and Delo 400 since 10K. The driver who belongs to the old school of thinking (and practices), tells me that he felt from the oil dipstick that the oil is "sunog" (* only 7.5K mileage) already. But with the way Baldwin BD28 (1,000/pc) and Delo 400 (265/liter * X liters) costs right now, this somehow subconsciously tempted me into extending the OCI to 10K to even a bit more just to get the most of the cost. But come 20K, definitely need to change already despite some people posting that it can be extended all the way to 12K per OCI.

Bosch Om 036 *350, I can buy almost 3 pcs of this for 1 pc of BD28). Rimula R3X (by the 20 li pail) is really inexpensive at only 110/li (if i'm not mistaken). So you see why I rather do frequent oil change and fact that I only use regular euro 2 Shell Fuel Save Diesel.

What is the difference pala of multigrade sa mineral?

I don't understand this question.

Minerals oil comes in multigrade meaning it has two viscosity ratings which allows it to be used in cold and hot weather. Monograde only has only viscosity rating which is applicable or suitable to hot/warm engine conditions.

Mineral Vs syn. Both are manufactured from crude oil. Only Group IV or PAO based syn like AMSoil (forgot the series) and Mobil Extended Performace are fully man made synthetic made in the labs. Other fully syn like the reg. Mobil 1 are made from Group 3 (meaning it has more processing, distilling, purification etc... ) to make its molecules consistent and etc. as required on extreme conditions. Reg. mineral belong to Group 1 or 2, meaning they much less processing, refining, vs. Group 3.

Kasi yung delo 400 multigrade nakalagay. Mineral din ba yun?

Delo 400 is mineral oil that has supposed more additives and process to make it perform like synthetic hence its called synthetic blend.

[AC]

OM84 is 400 and OM36 is 350.

wow... parang may pricelist sir:D

[Retz]

Oil quality might look good on papers but actual oil performance on engnie might difffer.

[matty]

*number001: that was very enlightening sir. thank you for sharing. i appreciate it. i learned something again.

[Chikselog]

May napost na ba about Petron RevX All Terrain 5W40 kung pwede and maganda ang specs for gas engines?

[IMm29]

Mukhang ok ang specs for both gas and diesel ah How much bro?

[valskie01]

Mukhang ok ang specs for both gas and diesel ah How much bro?

price at P480/ liter sa mga petron station

[Chikselog]

Mukhang ok ang specs for both gas and diesel ah How much bro?

Around 450/L? Or 480 basta less than 500 hehe. Hope dvldoc could chime in.

[bayen]

May napost na ba about Petron RevX All Terrain 5W40 kung pwede and maganda ang specs for gas engines?

chics, naghahanap din ako ng ganito. ganda ng PDS nyan. hataw sa TBN. 16

[Chikselog]

chics, naghahanap din ako ng ganito. ganda ng PDS nyan. hataw sa TBN. 16

What's the purpose of TBN ba? Hehe sorry noob question. Pero yes nabasa ko nga sobrang taas ng TBN nya compared to other oils.

[bayen]

What's the purpose of TBN ba? Hehe sorry noob question. Pero yes nabasa ko nga sobrang taas ng TBN nya compared to other oils.

Co Wikipedia:

Total base number (TBN) is a measure of a lubricant's reserve alkalinity. It is measured in milligrams of potassium hydroxide per gram (mg KOH/g).[citation needed]

TBN determines how effective the control of acids formed will be during the combustion process. The higher the TBN, the more effective it is in suspending wear-causing contaminants and reducing the corrosive effects of acids over an extended period of time. The associated measurement ASTM D2896 and ASTM D4739-06 generally range from 6-80mg KOH/g in modern lubricants, 7-10mg for general automotive use and 10-15 for Diesel operations.

So basically the higher the TBN the longer you can run it in your vehicle. So if you start with a whopping 16, you can run it for a long long time. I saw a used oil analysis, he used this oil on his trooper. ran it for 5,000 then had the oil tested, it registered TBN 14, that was after 5,000 KM, VIC pa gamit nyan oil filter, just imagine kung baldwin pa ginamit nya.

[wakiki77]

Co Wikipedia:

Total base number (TBN) is a measure of a lubricant's reserve alkalinity. It is measured in milligrams of potassium hydroxide per gram (mg KOH/g).[citation needed]

TBN determines how effective the control of acids formed will be during the combustion process. The higher the TBN, the more effective it is in suspending wear-causing contaminants and reducing the corrosive effects of acids over an extended period of time. The associated measurement ASTM D2896 and ASTM D4739-06 generally range from 6-80mg KOH/g in modern lubricants, 7-10mg for general automotive use and 10-15 for Diesel operations.

So basically the higher the TBN the longer you can run it in your vehicle. So if you start with a whopping 16, you can run it for a long long time. I saw a used oil analysis, he used this oil on his trooper. ran it for 5,000 then had the oil tested, it registered TBN 14, that was after 5,000 KM, VIC pa gamit nyan oil filter, just imagine kung baldwin pa ginamit nya.

nabasa ko din yang thread na yan sa isuzu trooper discussion about sa tbn ng petron all terrain, highly recommended din itong oil na ito sa isuzu trooper thread.

[matty]

Co Wikipedia:

Total base number (TBN) is a measure of a lubricant's reserve alkalinity. It is measured in milligrams of potassium hydroxide per gram (mg KOH/g).[citation needed]

TBN determines how effective the control of acids formed will be during the combustion process. The higher the TBN, the more effective it is in suspending wear-causing contaminants and reducing the corrosive effects of acids over an extended period of time. The associated measurement ASTM D2896 and ASTM D4739-06 generally range from 6-80mg KOH/g in modern lubricants, 7-10mg for general automotive use and 10-15 for Diesel operations.

So basically the higher the TBN the longer you can run it in your vehicle. So if you start with a whopping 16, you can run it for a long long time. I saw a used oil analysis, he used this oil on his trooper. ran it for 5,000 then had the oil tested, it registered TBN 14, that was after 5,000 KM, VIC pa gamit nyan oil filter, just imagine kung baldwin pa ginamit nya.

sir when you say it registered 14TBN using vic after 5k meaning malinis pa yung oil? sa tingin mo ba sir kung ganun it can last 10k OCI using bosch oil filter, meaning after 10k na rin palit ng filter? hehehe sorry kung pang dummy yung tanong trying to learn about this things...

[Ammiel Barlis]

sir when you say it registered 14TBN using vic after 5k meaning malinis pa yung oil? sa tingin mo ba sir kung ganun it can last 10k OCI using bosch oil filter, meaning after 10k na rin palit ng filter? hehehe sorry kung pang dummy yung tanong trying to learn about this things...

Mura lang naman bosch filter pwede palitan every 5k pero yung oil mininum 10k, safe pa rin hangang 15k ,i dare to say kaya nyan hangang 20k especially baldwin o fleetguard. 14 tbn is even better than brand new delo gold ultra with tbn of 11.2.

[Retz]

Sirs, tama ba itong logic?

E.G. If I use a very good oil and a poor filter. Oil could last 10K but filter only 3K, pwede ba ung filter lang palitan every 3k? To my understanding, kailangan palitan both oil and filter kasi every OCI.

[Manilablock]

Sirs, tama ba itong logic?

E.G. If I use a very good oil and a poor filter. Oil could last 10K but filter only 3K, pwede ba ung filter lang palitan every 3k? To my understanding, kailangan palitan both oil and filter kasi every OCI.

Sir pag tinangal mo ung oil filter tatapon na ung oil diba, kaya po sa PMS ang inuuna tangalin ay ung drain plug para hindi messy.

[Ammiel Barlis]

Sirs, tama ba itong logic?

E.G. If I use a very good oil and a poor filter. Oil could last 10K but filter only 3K, pwede ba ung filter lang palitan every 3k? To my understanding, kailangan palitan both oil and filter kasi every OCI.

using poor filter with good oil defeats the purpose of using good oil. If you use bad filter, particles smaller than 30 microns gets recirculated back to the engine causing greater damage in the long run. Tbn will be still be high for good oil when you do oil analysis, but particle count for wear metals in the oil would probably also increase. Bosch filters are good over the counter filters as good if not better than oem but not up to baldwin or fleetguard stardards. Mura lang naman sya so changing it every 5k is extra safeguard. Kung walang makuhang baldwin yan gamit ko

[Ammiel Barlis]

Sir pag tinangal mo ung oil filter tatapon na ung oil diba, kaya po sa PMS ang inuuna tangalin ay ung drain plug para hindi messy.

Wala dapat tatapon na langis pag tinangal mo filter (konti cguro galing sa cavity between filter and filter housing base). Kasi nasa crankcase ang oil mo. Kung wala o non functioning ang anti drain back valve ng filter mo tatapon yung langis na nasa loob ng filter habang tinatangal mo sya gaya ng sa VIC filter.