Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[Retz]

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Sir, R3 is for designed for diesel engine talaga. pag mga old school diesel engine you might look for the "API-CF" rated oil.

[crazy_boy]

No question sa budget. I'm asking about the suitability between the 2 choices of Shell engine oils.

Or I can paraphrase my question...Is there a real advantage if I use HX5 instead of Rimula R3 for old school diesel engines?

i guess better additive package.

[Gerbo]

A ok. Any real experience with these Shell engine oils?

[Retz]

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Sir, you might want to ask sir ry_tower I believe he has been using the Helix HX5.

[crazy_boy]

A ok. Any real experience with these Shell engine oils?

i tried Rimula R1, the oil was really really really black just after 3000km. and only API CD rating. shifted to Zic UP.
previously using Top1 SDO API CI-4

[Ry_Tower]

A ok. Any real experience with these Shell engine oils?

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Sir, you might want to ask sir ry_tower I believe he has been using the Helix HX5.

I used Shell R3 and HX7 but not HX5.

Shell R3 is good enough for 5,000kms OCI, then swithced to Mobil Delvac MX because I can do 6,000kms on it and oil is still good vs Shell R3.

Been using Shell Helix HX7 for 1 year and a half na. Has better cleaning additive IMO kasi less darker yung oil after a month of using vs R3. Less noise also for the engine, smoother ride in the first 3 months. So I can say that its better than R3 and comparable with Mobil Delvac MX. Afaik Shell Helix Diesel HX7 kasi is 5w30 na viscosity, not good for our climate and since it's CF rated only, may not provide the best protection for diesels with EGR(even though Shell say its ok). I think ayaw na lang ng shell magbayad sa API nung test kasi mahal pala yang mag-pa-approve. Kaya hindi na ako gagamit ng Shell Helix Diesel HX7.

Just to mention also, my brother-in-law who has a ford ranger xlt non-crdi (with egr) has been using Vic oil filter and OCI of 5,000kms with Shell Helix Diesel HX7 for the past 5 years and 250,000+kms in the odo and engine and performance is still very good. I guess okay naman talaga siya, ewan na lang ngayong 5w30 na rating, sinabihan ko na din siya as well as getting bosch oil filter instead of vic. Ayaw niya lang maniwala sa 10,000kms OCI. hehe

Will use Delo Sports next oil change since there is a promo (P200/ltr). hehe.

[crazy_boy]

RT, hindi ba if the oil does not turn black agad, it might have less cleaning additive? or because of the oil filter narin kaya mas matagal mag black?

OT: how many liters of oil do you put in your 4m40? sa akin kasi with BD28, 6L lang nasa max na yung dip stick.

[Retz]

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I ask before a mechanic regarding the color appearance of the oil. Ang sabi pag reddish/brownish black ang color okay pa ito. Pero pag black as in black talaga, it is time to change your oil. Is this true? can you tell when to change oil or if the oil is still good by just looking at the oil in the dipstick?

[Ry_Tower]

^

I ask before a mechanic regarding the color appearance of the oil. Ang sabi pag reddish/brownish black ang color okay pa ito. Pero pag black as in black talaga, it is time to change your oil. Is this true? can you tell when to change oil or if the oil is still good by just looking at the oil in the dipstick?

Sa diesel, it does not matter if dark agad or not IMO kasi may ibang factors like gaano mo katagal pinatulo yung old oil or kung gaano kadumi yung old oil. If you have a good oil filter, matagal talaga mag-dark kasi maganda filtration. It is the fluidity and the feel of the oil that's important (yung hindi sandy or parang may mga small particles). Sa Gas engine, dapat malinaw talaga. Kapag madumi tignan, palit na.

RT, hindi ba if the oil does not turn black agad, it might have less cleaning additive? or because of the oil filter narin kaya mas matagal mag black?

OT: how many liters of oil do you put in your 4m40? sa akin kasi with BD28, 6L lang nasa max na yung dip stick.

Maliit kasi siguro yung BD28 kaya 6L lang. 6.5 liters ang max nung sa akin eh using vic or bosch. Tapos after 5,000kms wala nang top-up na nangyayari. Minsan naman 6L lang nilalagay ko tapos after 2,000kms eh bago ko nilalagyan ng .5L. La naman problem yun basta hindi lampas sa oil level ng dipstick after warming the engine and letting it cool down a bit bago i-check.

May BF7534 pa rin ba sa volmax, magagamit ko na last FF ko na bosch eh. hehe

[miko101130]

pag diesel it will be turning black much faster as compared to gasoline counter part... the color wont really tell you whats the status of the oil.. only an oil analysis will do...

[azzkkr2600]

hi!

i've been using the regular 20w-50 oil on my '78 beetle. i've tried petron ultron & the shell helix brand. oil change is every 2-3months regardless of the number of kilometers. it only consumes 2.5L [and no oil filter change!] some guys said that the caltex delo multigrade diesel engine oil is the better choice for the aircooled bug because it's thicker and would protect the engine internals more than the regular gasoline motor oils can. is this true? would it also be better if i use semi-syn like the valvoline durablend or shell helix blue or mobil1? how about idemitsu eco, top1 and repsol?

thanks!

[azzkkr2600]

how about the 4G50series mitsu gas engines? is it okay to use synthetic 5w-40, 5w-30, 10w-40? or stick with the mineral 20w-50 and change every 5 months / 5000km [whichever comes first]?

i've been using the semi-syn mobil1 10w-40 + FRAM oil filter every 5months or 3000km [whichever comes first]. overkill?

i also want to try other oils i.e. royal purple, top1, repsol, and idemitsu. please share your thoughts and experiences on these oil brands! thanks!

[Retz]

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Okay, thank you for the info regarding diesel oil sir. I must admit, mostly sa sinabi ng mekaniko usually ang mga nalalaman ko sa technical ng kotse. Good thing, may mga expert tsikoters dito.

[Retz]

I used Shell R3 and HX7 but not HX5.

Shell R3 is good enough for 5,000kms OCI, then swithced to Mobil Delvac MX because I can do 6,000kms on it and oil is still good vs Shell R3.

Been using Shell Helix HX7 for 1 year and a half na. Has better cleaning additive IMO kasi less darker yung oil after a month of using vs R3. Less noise also for the engine, smoother ride in the first 3 months. So I can say that its better than R3 and comparable with Mobil Delvac MX. Afaik Shell Helix Diesel HX7 kasi is 5w30 na viscosity, not good for our climate and since it's CF rated only, may not provide the best protection for diesels with EGR(even though Shell say its ok). I think ayaw na lang ng shell magbayad sa API nung test kasi mahal pala yang mag-pa-approve. Kaya hindi na ako gagamit ng Shell Helix Diesel HX7.

Just to mention also, my brother-in-law who has a ford ranger xlt non-crdi (with egr) has been using Vic oil filter and OCI of 5,000kms with Shell Helix Diesel HX7 for the past 5 years and 250,000+kms in the odo and engine and performance is still very good. I guess okay naman talaga siya, ewan na lang ngayong 5w30 na rating, sinabihan ko na din siya as well as getting bosch oil filter instead of vic. Ayaw niya lang maniwala sa 10,000kms OCI. hehe

Will use Delo Sports next oil change since there is a promo (P200/ltr). hehe.

Sir ry_tower, ano pagkakaiba ng Shell HX7 and HX5? Ung HX5 pa lang kasi ang nakita ko which is rated API SL/CF. Additive lang ba ang pagkakaiba?

[Ry_Tower]

Sir ry_tower, ano pagkakaiba ng Shell HX7 and HX5? Ung HX5 pa lang kasi ang nakita ko which is rated API SL/CF. Additive lang ba ang pagkakaiba?

Yes sa ratio ng additive package kaya mas mahal HX7.
Shell Helix Diesel HX7 | Philippines

[holdencaulfield]

mga chong, ayos lang ba ang shell helix diesel plus sa 10 year old diesel ride ko? parang nalalabnawan kasi ako. and since madaling mag sludge oil ko for having short trips only, is it ok if i just change oil as usual? without engine flush, o kailangan na talaga?
TIA sa mga sasagot!

[Ry_Tower]

mga chong, ayos lang ba ang shell helix diesel plus sa 10 year old diesel ride ko? parang nalalabnawan kasi ako. and since madaling mag sludge oil ko for having short trips only, is it ok if i just change oil as usual? without engine flush, o kailangan na talaga?
TIA sa mga sasagot!

Ano ba sir diesel ride mo. After reading so much I beleive depende din kasi sa ride mo yung ideal oil. Kung puro short trips, much better talaga na early yung palit mo at 5,000kms kesa extended tapos multigrade mineral oil na lang.

Hindi na ako bilib sa Shell Helix Diesel eh. Mas ok pa nga specs ng Shell Rimula R3 if you come to think of it.

[holdencaulfield]

Ano ba sir diesel ride mo. After reading so much I beleive depende din kasi sa ride mo yung ideal oil. Kung puro short trips, much better talaga na early yung palit mo at 5,000kms kesa extended tapos multigrade mineral oil na lang.

Hindi na ako bilib sa Shell Helix Diesel eh. Mas ok pa nga specs ng Shell Rimula R3 if you come to think of it.

crosswind bro. bumubulwak sa dipstick, ewan ko kung dahil malabnaw ba.
sludgey na bro ry_tower 5400+ kms na exceed nako sa 5k. effective pa ba engine flush ko pa? thanks ngayon na ulit ako pa change oil, antay ko lang sagot niyo.

[Ry_Tower]

crosswind bro. bumubulwak sa dipstick, ewan ko kung dahil malabnaw ba.
sludgey na bro ry_tower 5400+ kms na exceed nako sa 5k. effective pa ba engine flush ko pa? thanks ngayon na ulit ako pa change oil, antay ko lang sagot niyo.

Sa crosswind okay na yung shell rimula r3, caltex delo gold ultra, Mobil delvac mx or any cheap API CH-4 or CI-4 rated oil since 5,000kms ka mag-change oil.

No need for engine flush IMO. Hindi pa naman sobrang tagal ng oil eh.

Yung bumubulwak sa dipstick hindi maganda yan, may loose compression na ibig sabihin. Pa-check mo na sa reliable auto shop sir.

[holdencaulfield]

Sa crosswind okay na yung shell rimula r3, caltex delo gold ultra, Mobil delvac mx or any cheap API CH-4 or CI-4 rated oil since 5,000kms ka mag-change oil.

No need for engine flush IMO. Hindi pa naman sobrang tagal ng oil eh.

Yung bumubulwak sa dipstick hindi maganda yan, may loose compression na ibig sabihin. Pa-check mo na sa reliable auto shop sir.

bro thanks! actually kagagaling ko lang sa shell for change oil. HX5 ang ginamit ko ngayon, parang tumahimik naman at gumaan ang takbo ng 4ja1 ko parang Helix diesel plus. pakiramdaman ko lang after some kms. btw, the mechanic strongly advised that i have my engine flushed since malapot na yung oil at may gunk na talaga. i was convinced then he used Shell Rimula R1 SAE-40. i dunno how effective this is but i saw what came out after making my engine gargle.
anyway thanks a lot bro Ry and have a nice day!