Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

**chookchakchenes** · July 26th, 2014 04:24 PM

Yung Zic XQ idouble check mo kung nakalagay talaga 100% synthetic.

Same with Zic A+. Yung zic new zealand website pag binasa mo sa likod ng zic A+ nakalagay 100% synthetic pero sa harap fully-synthetic.

Namamanipulate ang term na fully synthetic.

Kaya ang pinaka-accurate eh check API rating at MSDS.

**Ry_Tower** · July 26th, 2014 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by red_one

ang base III oil ba ay may halong mineral oil? ang sagot ng manufacturer for ZIC A+ is Fully Synthetic eh. pati yung OLX seller, ganun din ang sabi. so nakakalito.

Yes, base III oil is still mineral based unlike true FS na man-made na base oil (Gropu IV and PAO). ero dahil very highly refined, kapag maganda other ingredients parang FS na performance hence they say synthetic. It behaves like a synthetic oil na din.

**red_one** · July 26th, 2014 08:00 PM

tama nga..

Other base stocks help semi-synthetic lubricant
API Group II- and API Group III-type base stocks help to formulate more economic-type semi-synthetic lubricants. API Group III base oils are sometimes considered Fully synthetic, but they are still classified as highest-top-level mineral-base stocks. A Synthetic or Synthesized material is one that is produced by combining or building individual units into a unified entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

**miko101130** · July 26th, 2014 08:01 PM

Group IV base oils lang ang pwede sabhn na true synthetics, PAO base and Ester base...
group III are severe hydrocracked mineral oils, customized additive package to rival performance of true synthetics...

there is only one key factor that group III cannot compete with sa group IV and group V, resistance to heat breakdown...

more than 75% of asian countries still use group II engine oils...

group IV oils are double or even triple the price of a group III oil,

**chookchakchenes** · July 26th, 2014 08:08 PM

Iniisip ko ano market ng group iv or group v "designer oil"

Kasi kung kaya achieve ng cheaper ci-4/sL ang 10,000kms to 12,000kms eh ano pa purpose nung dalawang super expensive group oil.

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Swerte pa din yung mga kotse na sL rated pa like toyota, honda....

Subaru sM na kaya no choice gamit ka either sM/sN.

**miko101130** · July 26th, 2014 08:19 PM

found the best combo for my application and needs...

B2-HPG baldwin filter tapos DELO GOLD 400...

mas pino at tahimik sa delo 400 compared sa DGU... 30 pesos per liter lang price difference nila...

sa lahat na try ko ito pinaka nagustuhan ko ( zic rv/zic up/ DGU/delvac/rimula/bardahl)

**miko101130** · July 26th, 2014 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by chookchakchenes

Iniisip ko ano market ng group iv or group v "designer oil"

Kasi kung kaya achieve ng cheaper ci-4/sL ang 10,000kms to 12,000kms eh ano pa purpose nung dalawang super expensive group oil.

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Swerte pa din yung mga kotse na sL rated pa like toyota, honda....

Subaru sM na kaya no choice gamit ka either sM/sN.

i think lucrative kasi yung market na ito... people who are misinformed or is easy to be persuaded by advertising or ad campaign.
companies can really sell high price products that most regular vehicles don't need nor will even have the need for such high performing oils given their normal driving applications.

group III oils are sufficient or even exceeds requirements for most locally available models of vehicles.

kung high performance at high tolerance ang engine design, which puts tremendous loads and stress sa oils, then true synthetics are the only option, kasi custom tailored ang molecules nila for those applications... regular driven vehicles won't even reach a constant 150 degrees or more heat absorption sa oils..