Has anyone heard of GTOil / NOW12? Is this a scam?

[shadow]

pwede pakiulit nga yun discussion paki explain ano ba talaga pinagkakaguluhan dito...summary na lang

[miko101130]

if Sir Ehnriko will be kind enough to post the technical specs of the GTO.... but i guess he doesn't have it cause it will be damning to him

[renzo_d10]

pwede pakiulit nga yun discussion paki explain ano ba talaga pinagkakaguluhan dito...summary na lang

Enrickho's claims: GTOil = ok. recommended. trustworthy.

The rest of tsikot: GTOil = another shitty scam product

:D

[renzo_d10]

Thanks Devildoc for taking time to look at it.

You may also need to know that the test vehicle - an Innova was already driven 40,000 kms before it was treated with GTO.

We call this torture condition.

It was made to run 40,000kms more before the used oil analysis was made.

The high content of metals like zinc, iron and copper were not coming to us as a surprise.

It's the fact that there is ZERO fuel dilution and Nitration.
Moreover... It could have been worse if it was not treated with GTO 40,000 km ago.

The test was made as a private initiative in order to answer some puzzling facts.

1. Why the engine performed a lot better after GTO treatment.
2. Why the oil became more fluid and viscous like water.
3. Why the engine emits near ZERO Emission Even without a Catalytic Converter. (Catalytic Converters are designed to filter and catalyse emissions to reduce carbon at the tail pipe.. but this does not rectify the problem in the combustion chamber.)
4. Why fuel mileage is increased significantly.
5. Why the effect is long lasting.

Wow galing naman ng GTOil pati yung driving techniques and driving conditions, controlled. Wow ha.

Hats off po.

Lol.

[niky]

Quick question... How do you know the Innova would not still be running if you used something else instead of GTOIL?

I've heard lots of horror stories from mechanics about owners who don't change oil... Right until the engines break down completely.

40k ams is not out of the question, depending on the driving conditions, and there are modern engines that can take that. That there is no fuel doesn't mean much. That there is no noise doesn't mean much. I've bought secondhand cars with pure tar in the oil pan that didn't smoke and didn't rattle.

Yet despite your claims that the engine doesn't make noise, the used oil analysis indicates that there is significant bearing wear. Despite the claims that the engine still runs fine, the analysis indicates the likelihood that the headgasket is going out.

If you want to prove the additive can keep an engine going strong in extreme conditions, the oil test is saying it can't. If you want to prove it is the only thing keeping the engine together, the only way to do that is to buy three or four new Innovas, use GTOIL in one, a good long life synthetic in another, and the standard Toyota oil in the third. The fourth can go as a control with regular 5k oil changes. Only then can you prove that the product is worth it.

Single car tests prove nothing. There are ethanol proponents who've done 100,000 mile tests on cars running alcohol with no wear showing... But I can show you my car running only 40k on E10 before the rubber gaskets in the fuel pump crumbled to dust. There are biodiesel proponents who show cars running 100,000 miles on biodiesel with no major issues... But there are users who have experienced pump wear and even valve wear from esterified biodiesel.

Only comparative tests have any real merit.

[Ry_Tower]

pwede pakiulit nga yun discussion paki explain ano ba talaga pinagkakaguluhan dito...summary na lang

Nalilito na rin nga ako. May nagpupumilit kaso kulang naman sa detalye. Papano daw yun? Parang yung sa isang thread din, hinamon ko na ipalabas sa TV yung actual test with DOST, tsikot, kotse, DTI etc. present para makita kung totoo nga (same thing done by kotse to test SUA by MS cars). Kung yan totoo, bakit hindi nila ipaglaban???

[Ry_Tower]

Ibaon na rin ito sa limot gaya nung fuel treatment master alien something na nanahimik na rin lang. hahahaha

[ghosthunter]

The test was made as a private initiative in order to answer some puzzling facts.

1. Why the engine performed a lot better after GTO treatment.

How did you know it was better? Did you do a dyno test before and after to properly document any claims? Or is this just seat-of-the-pants "feel" that the engine performed better? Without proper documention, this would be filed under "testimonies" which doesn't prove anything about the product's claims.

2. Why the oil became more fluid and viscous like water.

Regular motor oil becomes more viscous as it gets heated by the engine, but generally it stays relatively thicker than water even at operating temperatures.

If the oil's viscosity is like water, the oil is too thin to provide adequate friction protection between moving parts. This will result in accelerated wear inside the engine, especially in the bearings.

3. Why the engine emits near ZERO Emission Even without a Catalytic Converter. (Catalytic Converters are designed to filter and catalyse emissions to reduce carbon at the tail pipe.. but this does not rectify the problem in the combustion chamber.)

Motor oil has no correlation with the engine's combustion process. It's job is to stay inside the interiors of the engine and lubricate all inner-moving parts. The only time motor oil becomes part of the combustion process is if you have a leak in the engine where oil can seep into the combustion cylinder.

BTW, catalytic converters do not filter. They convert toxic emissions (carbon monoxide, unburned hydrocarbons and oxides of Nitrogen) into carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water vapor. Catalytic converters do not reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the exhaust.

4. Why fuel mileage is increased significantly.

It is a known fact that using a lighter grade of motor oil will increase fuel mileage due to less internal mechanical drag BUT that gain is at the risk of having less protection to mechanical wear. Nothing magical or unique about this.

But another possible cause of having a significant increase in fuel mileage and it doesn't need any changes done to the vehicle. The driver himself can cause the difference in fuel consumption. Just a simple "suggestion" to the driver that something was done the engine to improve fuel economy can also change his driving habits to give the same results.

5. Why the effect is long lasting.

Long lasting until the engine needs to be overhauled.

My friend's dad tends to skip the regular oil changes on their cars before my friend took over maintaining the family cars. It's not unusual for their cars to go 20,000 or even 25,000km without an oil change. No problems encountered until the day the car might not start or something. Of course, the oil that came out was pretty ugly and nasty looking by then.

[dvldoc]

Now your claiming the oil was run 40000km on the fresh oil. And if the Zinc Content was still at almost 3500ppm after 40000 miles your product must contain significant more then we all suspected even though the fact it already has exceeded the safe level for any engine at well past 3400ppm.

Only a idiot would run oil this long with this product in it. The results speak for themselves you guys destroyed the engine.

All your (Why claim are complete bs) you don't live in India where this test was conducted) You have zero evidence to support this claim.

Now you saying the Inovoa has the Catalytic converter removed and emits near zero emissions.

(The theory is... these metallic particles are not circulating around the system...or if it does, then the fluid layer of the oil must have been doing a good job in terms of meta adherence. Thus the term magnetized or polarized oil applied)

Total made up BS, metal in your oil came from parts in the engine, they did not magically appear, the engine has been damage to have that amount of metal in it.

As Ghosthunter pointed out the engine would be running even with that amount of wear without your product, it would run like hell and have lost compression and be overheating but your still doubling down on these unvalidated claims and saying the engine with this unheard off kind of wear makes more power, has better emissions and gets better fuel economy. Wow, obviously you live on another planet.

Thanks for proving our point over and over again with every reply. You also clearly are just a person selling this product not a manufacture of it as it's actually made in China which has none of these crazy claims then the Indians re-marketed it with false claims. . You guys just jacked most of the stuff from there website to make it for the Philippines. GT OIL India

This is where it actually comes from Zhengzhou Dongshen Petrochemical Technology Co., Ltd. is an innovative high-tech enterprise dedicated to the research,development and production of new nano materials, oil field chemicals, energy-saving & maintenance products for industrial machinery equipments on industrial & mining enterprises and for transport industry such as cars, vehicles, steamships etc..


Please explain how a oil filter made from Cellulose (which is paper) can last forever and not break down due to a additive. It's a matter of fact that due to the basic chemicals in oil and heat it will break down. I know for a fact you do not know what is in oil nor does anyone selling that product or how a oil filter works.

Lets bust this claim down logically.

9. How does the filter not get clogged?

The oil filter has carbon deposit sediments already attached to it. GTOil melts/ dissolves and liquifies this. When these turns into nano particles too small to filter they become liquid again. You may check your oil filters after 6 months and see for yourselves.

So this product claims it is a strong enough solvent to dissolve all particles in your oil, metallic and non metallic such as carbon but has no effect on the paper element in the filter (say what?) Paper is stronger than carbon? stronger than aluminum, iron, copper, nickel. Your saying this product is strong enough to dissolve all these but has no effect on paper. Do you realize how crazy that sounds even to a child.

And since you obviously do not have a clue about the facts here's one more for you. Large amounts of Zinc and Phos will clog your filter making it go into bypass mode meaning it's simply recirculating dirty oil and not filtering the oil.

Oh snap now we know why you think filters last forever.


Lets put the final nail in this coffin, First of all the stuff actually comes from China from a place called Zhengzhou Dongshen Petrochemical Technology Co., Ltd

Here's is how it is actually advertised

Detailed Product Description

Green technology product with antifriction
1 Oil saving 5%-25%
2 Antiwear & friction
3 Environmental friendly

2.Characteristic

1)Save power 5%-30%,lubricant 50%;

2)Improving the resisting pressure and load capacity of lubricating oil, reducing impact load, and assure the minimum friction;

3)repair attrition dynamically,maitain equipment,reduce repair cost of the equipment effectively;

4)antiwear,reduce friction,reduce shake,cooling,reduce noise,improve efficiency,prolong the service lfe of equipment;

5)Mixed in virous lubricants,not changing the performance of lubricating oil,extend the period of changing oil;

6)Clean oil dirt,prevent malfunction,reduce mechanical accident;

7)The usage is simple and convenient,no damage for the construction of equipment.



2)Stable performance,anti-oxidation,excellent dispersivity, mixed with any lubricating oil, no damage for the human body, environmental product.


3,Technical Characteristic

1)This product is produced by organic and inorganic nano materials, not only possessing the function of strong lubricating & resisting extreme pressure of organic material, but also having intelligent self-repair performance of inorganic nano material. In the process of friction, the nano particle is induced by the friction heat, rapidly penetrating into the micro defect on the surface of metal friction, quickly repairing uneven friction surface, and forming extra smooth,high hardness friction surface, not only reducing the friction coefficient, but also improving the performance of extreme pressure and anti-wear, thereby achieving the effect of power saving ,noise reduction and extending service life.



4.Application

This product is stable in various lubricants,is suitable for power-saving and maintainance of motive power and merchanical equipment in various boat,ship,and marine transportation.



5,Usage Instruction

Add mixed product to lubrication system, normal usage is about 1% of the total lubricating oil. If you have any problem, please consult the manufacturer.


Now the Indians went off and rebadged it as something it is not GT OIL India not only that they are using the stuff in the wrong dosesage automotive use.

Now in typical fashion GTO Philippines stole this ideal and copied their website. You'll note at the bottom of the real site it says it's excluively for India.

Then started the blogs with the same irrisponsible marketing instead of just selling the product like it should be sold and selling it in the wrong mix ratio for vehicles. Those larger bottles are for large Diesel engines not a 5 liter sump of a car. That is why when mixes the Zinc and phos are off the charts bad

[ehnriko]

Hehehehe.... Guys... you all are making my day!.

I guess I had all of you in a stir!. LMFAOL

Now the jokes on you.

You really have not a single idea what just happened.

Nothing is what it seems.

How can you fight a problem with solutions that made it?

You can't!

Hohohoho... I am laughing my ass here so much - I just enjoyed all your reactions and moves.

GH (Leslie) - I will allow you to post and connect with the OTG Guys - you have earned it... you are a Worthy Adversary.

I will have to ask one OTG Guy nearest your location to be available just for you.

You see... all... people here.... Nothing is being forced into your throats.

Therefore, there is no point in starting a thread like this in the first place.

Big Corp. would think they need to convince you all here before they can make it into the market.

I dont think I need to convince the market so I can convince you - the local motorhead elites.

If the whole world is already laughing at something and only you guys are not, what does that make you?

Which reminds me of Gandhis line.

At first they laugh at you
And then they fight you
And then you win.

Oh Devildoc - nice try pulling a stir in boytheoil website... GTO oil additive - Bob Is The Oil Guy

With regards to comparative testing... I totally agree - but who is going to sponsor the cost? Any volunteers?

All we did are private individual torture tests... but only privileged people are allowed to have a peek.

Not one of you is worthy of knowing any of the trade secret... you haven't come close into earning even 1% of it.

In a chess game - you are just moving out of retaliation or reaction... what you are all doing are patterns observed long ago. but I'm sure you are all mere pawns here.

I have full respect with the owner of this site as well as the group I once were with... but that's another story.

This is the battlefield of choice... the lawyer who started it is MIA (Missing in Action) - LEt me talk more so you can have more targets where I am probably going to make a mistake. (Talk less Less Mistake - is this the plan of action the first poster took?)

I have been using my name since day 1 and not hiding in any other pen name... Go Figure Why?

Nobody really gives a tinee weene $#!t on the size of your brains or pockets. You people have absolutely Small Hearts.

You claim to advocate healthy motoring and environmentalism... yet mock and prevent people from finding real solutions.

The rest of you guys are still barking on the wrong tree.


Just tell me when you students are ready already... Your Master can wait.


In the meantime - I'll have some pop corn myself. hehehe :-D

[miko101130]

there's no hope for this product... it can't even begin to prove something... its so sad that those in the province will be fooled by the marketing of this product... its pure anecdotal, i felt this and i felt that, no solid or concrete evidence that any gains were isolated due to the product.. maybe he can really sell in the province where people are not so discerning and critical of this, that words and testimonial can sell products. its a sad story if a person of your nationality was the one pulling gimmicks on you just to sell a dubious product...

[dvldoc]

This guy clearly has a mental issue and is incapible of logic or reason, Yeah I sure did post that on BOTG, it's so darn stupid it's good for a laugh, Now a bunch of my fellow automotive professionals get to have a well deserved laugh. You're childish grammar and aurgments won't play on there. And it has a very high internet search hit so it will pop right up when people type it just like this thread the more you reply the higher it gets on hits the more you loose your own fight to sell this scam product. You're not dealing which fools I only do things for a reason. And the more people know the truth about this the better.

Second hows your 120mpg Sentra LOL, This guy is nothing but a HHO dude and we all know what bogus BS that stuff is. ehnriko's Page - HHOINFO philmagi's Page - HHOINFO just like his laughable friend Philmagi who could never prove a thing they said. It's like a cult no matter what you tell them they cannot grasp it. No matter what facts are presented they cannot weigh them. You will never get a direct answer point by point from people like this.

This products is as worthless as HHO claim. don't get me started on that scam.

We have no chance of convincing you of the facts presented because you're not mentally capable of excepting them just like I say HHO guys are in there own little cult people that believe in this stuff are as well and we got this guy doubling down on miss-information in this case.

Seriously who talks like you that is mentally stable?


I got to say this thread is over and done with the facts are facts. Think it time for a lockdown Mods. This guy clearly has nothing to add to the forum.

I will also remit 2000P for the first person who buys this product and sends it to one of the oil analysis places in Manila and post the results.

http://www.kwi-ph.com/cre_lab_tech_oilanlysis.htm

http://www.pttphils.com/value_eng_services.php

Have have a sneaking suspicion it's probably not even the real product sold in India but a knock off copy with god knows what in it. And since I do love a good Oill analysis feel free to PM me.

[Ry_Tower]

As Ghosthunter pointed out the engine would be running even with that amount of wear without your product, it would run like hell and have lost compression and be overheating but your still doubling down on these unvalidated claims and saying the engine with this unheard off kind of wear makes more power, has better emissions and gets better fuel economy. Wow, obviously you live on another planet.

Actually, they did mention in their website that they have alien technology (ALIEN TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MASSES...) . Go figure. :hysterical:

They also have this claim!

"Passing brand new Stradas and Much better condition Revos was like a piece of cake... and we didn't felt like the Isuzu needs a pushing... Driving confidence was very much high!"

Naman, Isuzu hilander passing new strada? Baka naka-park yung strada?

[attyallanlatras]

Hi GH and DevilDoc, nice to cross paths with you guys again... It's been a while since I had an intellectually healthy exchange or conversation.

To Chuwa riwap, Yes I have been fooled many times in the past - so all the more reason why I am against Scammers (Makes Sense! - LOGIC) (and yes I have an Aquarium at home also).

If you notice - you will observe a pattern or signature which is similar to all of them. They all force you to eat something which is bad for your stomach.

Dapat Objective ang tao para hindi mawala ang respeto sa kanya ng kanyang kapwa.

I did a little investigation on this Atty. Allan Latras... He was trolling in Istorya.net, He got all the information about GTO from them which is privelege info so to speak.

He insulted the product and the people in that thread many times, he got an arrogant answer from gtoil since he was pretending to pose as a big buyer (bulk order).

GTO and its supporters do not need big corp. nor big money to get this thing out in the market... even tri media is not among the tools to distribute this. It is also not forced to people...

A old Nissan Sentra in America was treated with GTO, it was brought for emissions test, they told him that he had to drive 100 miles more because they cannot read any Carbon reading.

A Kawasaki Brutus also registered Zero Emissions in Tagum City where all 2 stroke Motorbikes were already banned by LTO... but since this was an exception, they got it registered.

An old Honda CRX travelled 5,120.9 miles in America Coast to coast visiting 19 states from Nevada to California, and the states in between up to New Jersey - without an oil change. The car wasn't used for a year before the road trip, then it was treated with 2 GTO's, spark plugs were cleaned (not replaced), a vorxin and a super7 KML coil were also installed... after 2 days, it hit the road driven solo. Averaging 40 Miles to a gallon.

A Taxi Cab in India was treated with GTO, it had a leaking gasket and lost oil, the driver drove it for 250km without oil... no damage happened to the engine.

These are just some of the thousands of testimonies we have gathered, we got tired of documenting them due to the overwhelming volume.

Walang pilitan dito... It was never intended to be even discussed in tsikot.com - I have told even the supporters not to go in this site out of respect.

Ika nga, merong mga negosyong dapat proteksyonan dito at hindi dapat guluhin o pakialaman.

With regards to Attorney Allan Atras, Binabastos niya yung mga GTO users since last year, pinapalamapas lang namin. But branding this green underground movement as a Scam is stirring the hornets nest so to speak.

First of all, wala kaming pinipilit sa kahit kanino man. Walang pilitan at Walang Bastusan ng trip ikanga.

LIVE and LET LIVE -

Before anyone talks Bullshit about GTO - let them try it first. If you haven't tried it - You have absolutely no right to talk ****.

Meron bang Scam na worth P770.00 in exchange for a bottle of GTO and an ATM Card outright? Attend a seminar, watch the video of the presentation - try the product, get hold of the RCBC ATM Card - then observe - THEN COMMENT.

That's the protocol.

ok...

Just to give you some info to my old buddies...

We are being scheduled already by DOST for ETV test protocol (FULL TEST on Diesel and Gas, Ordinary Oil and Synthetic) Baseline then GTO Treated. It will cost money - but the quest for Truth was never cheap nor easy. Yes this is for the ETV.

Any person who will try to sabotage or detract this movement will be considered a block in the path. I'm sorry Attorney Latras, but you need to do the apology - NOT ME nor the rest of the GTO community.

Kung katulad mo lahat ng abogado sa Pilipinas... mauubos ang kwarta ng kabang yaman ng bansa sa kakaimpeach sa inyong lahat or disbarment.

The Robe does not make the monk! Wag mo ibandera ang Diploma mo - It will not add to Character.

GTO has been able to put food on the tables of more than 20,000 families already - so don't Mess with us.

I hope my point is made clear.

Sorry if I have not replied soon on this issue and allegation. Quite busy during the weekend.

ehnriko:

Your allegations are entirely baseless and full of lies and deceptions. First, yes, I am a lawyer by profession and I am a practicing lawyer here in Cebu. I use my name here in tsikot.com as well as in istorya.net as I do not intend to fool anyone as to my identity. I have nothing to hide.

Being a lawyer, I admit noob ako insofar as motor or automotive oils and I don't have time to study and research them. besides, I don't understand highly technical terms used in the explanation of these oils (such as viscosity 20w50, etc.). precisely, i rely on sites such as tsikot.com, of which i am a member of the forum, to ask question on these matters. In fact, on several posts I made here, my usual post are queries on automotive....

Secondly, I am also a member of istorya.net and I also disclose my identity, although I did not tagged "atty." But I disclose my profession in my personal profile in the said forum. Again this shows that I have nothing to hide.

Was I trolling in istorya.net/forum? No. In one of my spare time, i check in the said forum under the automotive threads for autoshops to have my car maintained since my innova in now out of warranty and I know I can save if I will have it serviced outside of casa.

in the said thread, i bump into the thread on GTOil and the user's experience on it. i would say that i was almost convinced since most, if not all of those who posted as user's of the GTOil, claim that their engines are performing better than before the use of GTOil. so, i inquired where to buy the product here in Cebu and sent a pm to a certain vernie, who I believe is you, ehnrico here in this forum. you sent me the links of where i can purchase the product.

i then inquired in one of the mall here in Cebu, but they said that they are no longer selling GTOil and that its price from 250pesos for a 250ml GTOil has increased tremendously to 770pesos for a GTOil 250ml and that it can be purchased thru membership. this thus lead me to investigate since there are schemes of selling products thru membership-pyramiding strategies that are actually a scam.

It is not true that I pretend to be a bulk buyer, i merely inquired where to buy and how much is GTOil, which vernie (ehnrico) will not disclose in the istorya.net thread. was the reply of vernie thru pm a privilege info, definitely not since the GTOil product is in the net and can be accessed by anyone. besides, why should the GTOil website be considered a privileged info, if there is nothing wrong with their product.

you claim that i have been trolling you since last year. why could you say that? i did not post anything on the automotive thread of GTOil last year, you must have referred to another forum member.

threatening me of disbarment is a laughing matter. and i would not be afraid to face you. a court proceeding is my forte. but admittedly, on auto oil or oil additive, i am ignorant. thus I pose queries here.

If GTOil was exposed as a scam here, I may have been an instrument of its exposure. that is merely the result of my queries.

Vernie or Ehnrico, I did not post anything in istorya.net regarding my discoveries here because I respect you and your followers' views on GTOil. But i just hope that anyone who intends to buy your oil should investigate and inquire what this oil is all about.

When I googled GTOil before, no reviews from independent source was found. thus, posting the inquiry here was my best option.


H

[ehnriko]

For anyone branding me having some mental problem... Well, It takes one to know one. ... Funny, I think all of you here are geniuses. hmmm (point to ponder)

Devildoc, I'll take your offer... P2K? Maybe that's a little under priced. Who would volunteer a normal car? I would love to volunteer my car but the problem is, they are all GTO treated already. We would need to baseline a normal car to get the truth out in the open.

I share the same passion you all have in finding truth. Isn't it what you want?

Getting it would need about 4 to 8 or more actually... sets of tests.

TEST PROTOCOL SET OPTION 1

1. Virgin Oil analysis on Base oil
2. Virgin Oil analysis on Additive Oil
3. Change oil, run 5K km. then do Oil Analysis on Used Base Oil
4. Change oil, Add additive, run 5K km. then Do Used Oil analysis on treated oil.

TEST PROTOCOL SET OPTION 2

1. Virgin Oil analysis on Base oil
2. Virgin Oil analysis on Additive Oil
3. Change oil, then run 5K km. then do Oil Analysis on Used Base Oil
4. DON'T CHANGE oil, Add additive, run 5K km. then Do Used Oil analysis on treated oil.

Where's your Lawyer?

[miko101130]

Actually, they did mention in their website that they have alien technology (ALIEN TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MASSES...) . Go figure. :hysterical:

They also have this claim!

"Passing brand new Stradas and Much better condition Revos was like a piece of cake... and we didn't felt like the Isuzu needs a pushing... Driving confidence was very much high!"

Naman, Isuzu hilander passing new strada? Baka naka-park yung strada?

pwede.. passing the strada by the isuzu hilander, sa toll booth.. wahaha..

[dvldoc]

Yeah anyone but you I'm afraid you can't seem to except the facts the product is already bogus and you claim to have a 120mpg vehicle powered by HHO. Not exactly a logical choice.

I don't need a lawyer to prove your product is a scam only facts.

The Fact you don't have a clue that the first oil analysis tells me already what is in the product, And I already know who makes it originally and that it is being marketed as something it's not already posted it your brain cannot comprehend these facts, and most likely the product sold in the Philippines is not original, (I emailed the GTO India to verify) It's still a crap product regardless. I'll post the reply on here. I know if they say they do not sell it in the Philippines you will try to weave some kind of story to explain it away. I wonder if they know you guys are using there Logo? You might be the one needing the lawyer since it clearly says exclusive to India and no mention of vendors in the Philippines (hmmm could be a problem) Well I made sure to send the copied web sites and facebook page as well. Let's just see what happens with the email.

The product has at least 70000ppm zinc, 60000ppm phos and around 1000ppm iron (the so called nano particle) Your're not dealing with a simpleton my friend. Now of course it will only have this stuff it not some locally made knock off that is nothing but clear mineral oil which suspect it just might be. By the way I am rarely wrong.

The VOA of the product sold there tell everything that needs to be told no further testing needs to even be made but of course your to clueless to see that.

It's apparently you have no clue what's in the very product your trying to pan off on the rest of your fellow citizens if you did the test would not be need.

Many where is this guys logic at? The more I did the more I find, I have already busted this thing 12 ways from Sunday, you have no credibility here.

[niky]

With regards to comparative testing... I totally agree - but who is going to sponsor the cost? Any volunteers?

They've already destroyed an Innova engine* worth about 60-80k in overhauls, rendering a vehicle worth between 500-800k secondhand absolutely worthless. It beggers the mind why they didn't try to do this with several brand new four-stroke generators, instead.

Why is it the consumers who have to come up with the money for testing. It's the product's promoters who are responsible for ensuring that their products work as advertised.

*sad to note... some users in Europe run synthetics for up to 50,000 kilometers (this is a manufacturer recommended interval, mind you) with little issue. Or less issues than you see in this engine.

Not one of you is worthy of knowing any of the trade secret... you haven't come close into earning even 1% of it.

Oh. So we're intelligent enough to understand the testing data doesn't mean what you say it means, but we're still too dumb for you to reveal the real data? Okay. That means nobody here is worthy of knowing, at all. Even those who've seen the used oil analysis and who can see what the active ingredients are.

Nobody really gives a tinee weene $#!t on the size of your brains or pockets. You people have absolutely Small Hearts.

You claim to advocate healthy motoring and environmentalism... yet mock and prevent people from finding real solutions.

Real solutions? Spending more money on an additive and introducing zinc and phosphorous levels higher than the EPA allows? Then removing the catalytic converter because these levels will destroy it anyway? That doesn't sound very environmentally responsible to me.

I don't know as much about oils as dvldoc does, but I do know that the additive was removed from modern motor oils for a reason. Yes, it's proven. Like lead solder is proven as a better, longer lasting product for electronics than the new lead-free solder... and how leaded gasoline is proven to prevent valve recession on older cars.

But there's a good reason as to WHY it isn't in modern motor oils, and it's not some oil company conspiracy... it's the damn environment... which you claim this product is saving.

Just tell me when you students are ready already... Your Master can wait.

Riiiiiight. And in the meantim, dvldoc's suggestions, which are very good and which would allow you to cut down the amount of additive included in the product (if it's really there) to bring it more in line with other successful additives and which would make it more useful, goes right out the window because you're the Master, eh?

[glenn manikis]

For anyone branding me having some mental problem... Well, It takes one to know one. ... Funny, I think all of you here are geniuses. hmmm (point to ponder)

Devildoc, I'll take your offer... P2K? Maybe that's a little under priced. Who would volunteer a normal car? I would love to volunteer my car but the problem is, they are all GTO treated already. We would need to baseline a normal car to get the truth out in the open.

I share the same passion you all have in finding truth. Isn't it what you want?

Getting it would need about 4 to 8 or more actually... sets of tests.

TEST PROTOCOL SET OPTION 1

1. Virgin Oil analysis on Base oil
2. Virgin Oil analysis on Additive Oil
3. Change oil, run 5K km. then do Oil Analysis on Used Base Oil
4. Change oil, Add additive, run 5K km. then Do Used Oil analysis on treated oil.

TEST PROTOCOL SET OPTION 2

1. Virgin Oil analysis on Base oil
2. Virgin Oil analysis on Additive Oil
3. Change oil, then run 5K km. then do Oil Analysis on Used Base Oil
4. DON'T CHANGE oil, Add additive, run 5K km. then Do Used Oil analysis on treated oil.

Where's your Lawyer?

parang gusto ko volunteer yung old van ko ha... safe kaya? na try ko na din naman halos lahat ng oil additive lahat puro pangako lahat napako... maliban lang ata sa pertua... if ever may improvement 3-5% lang... baka ganyan lang din yan gtoil if ever...

and its due for change oil na din.

[miko101130]

I think mr. Ehnriko has been crushed,pulverized and vaporized with his illogical arguments... i don't think he can defend the product he is an advocate or selling.. knockout na.. " insane persons don't know they are insane"