Diesel owners that add 2T oil to fuel

Not much on this here so I thought I bring it up, Pretty common practice in the states on older diesels, I run it in my Elgrand 3.2 turbo diesel when I first got it the engine use to shake a lot more than I liked so I went ahead and started using 2T oil. First thing I noticed is the engine was so much quieter and smoother after the first full tank, I got a little bump in fuel economy as well and it eliminated the harsh shut off shutter I would get when I would turn off the engine.

Let's just get the basic question over with,

Will it hurt my engine, NO if used as described 200:1 mix ratio. example 17L tank = about 3oz 2T.

Will it clog my fuel filter, NO

Will it mix with diesel, Yes

Can you use it with Bio-diesel, Yes

Can I just add it every other tank, or whenever I want, Yes

What's the best 2 stroke oil to use, The cheapest is the best no synthetic.

Do I have to get the mix exactly right, No you can be a few oz or so over without harming anything. (Brother in law dump a 8oz bottle in the Elgrand had no issues) Told him 3oz) :(

Should I use this on Common Rail diesels, Yes but nothing made after 2006 (which is the 2007 model)

Does it give you more horse power, NO

Does it change the Cetane rating, NO


Also added it to my friends Kia Prego which you could hear comming down the block due to engine rattle, He was also very impressed with how smooth the engine became after adding it. He's been using it since Last November and plans to keep using it.

Also did it on the family 1999 Starex, major improvement on that thing as well it use to shake like crazy at idle, I would say about a 80% improvment after 2 months of use. So for 100P to 60P for 8oz bottle it's not a bad investment. Especially for your fuel pumps life.

Mix ratio is 200:1 by volume of fuel not ment for 2007 Up diesels.

Here's a study done on it
http://rivrdog.typepad.com/files/cop...-version-3.pdf

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In two-stroke oil we get 4 different quality ratings, which are based on the JASO (Japanese Automotive Standards Org.) scale:

JASO-FA very basic single grade SAE30 or SAE40 based 2-stroke oil (premix only)

JASO-FB Used for most premix industrial 2-stroke engines and scooters

JASO-FC "Low ash burn" used for separate oil injection and most outboard motors. this oil can be mineral or part synthetic

JASO-FD This is fully synthetic 2-stroke oil for racing engines. It is not suitable for mixing with diesel

2T oil listing and ratings. You want to use the Low ash JASO-FC
http://wcsdistributinginc.com/WCS%20...aso%20list.pdf


I know several other Elgrand owners running it with a nice noticle difference It would be good to hear from other older diesel owners who also run 2 Stoke oil in there fuel. My Elgrand never ran smoother and I will keep using it every tank of fuel.

It even beats out Amsoil when it comes to improving lubercation.

The mixture of JASO-FC compliant 2-stroke oil further reduces soot and carbon deposits. this is the main reason, why the burn free cycles of particle filters are extended when using this practice. A further benefit is the increased reliability of CRD high pressure components, such as VHP pumps and injectors

Lets here your stories or questions.

won't it make the engine emit more exhaust smoke?

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Originally Posted by GOTCH*!

won't it make the engine emit more exhaust smoke?

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2T oil in diesel reduces soot particles produced in the internal combustion process. Most people have shown a reduction in emissions by a measurable amount. The 2-stroke oil will be absorbed by the diesel (emulsion) and grease every moving part of the high pressure pump and the injectors. Besides this, the 2-stroke oil will keep the diesel engine clean, as it burnes cleaner as the diesel itself. In other words, the 2-stroke oil has a much lower ash-content as diesel, when burned.

My Elgrand does not smoke at all and my emissions were only 0.25 due to it's modifications. I did not get any additional smoke adding the 2t to it. The our Starex got .20 better than it did on it's last emission test and since adding the 2t I have never noticed any increased smoke, it also does not smoke at all (slightly modified as well) only blew a 0.33 down from a 0.53 so I would say it's running cleaner.

The reason you should not use fully synthetic is the Jaso-FD compliant oil leaves a solid residue that cannot be burnt.

Here's a good comparison of what Bosch recommends for a vehicles injections pump as far as lubrication goes.

FULL STUDY. http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline...22003bosch.pdf

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...recommends.jpg

Compare this to the level of extra lubrication given by the additives and average diesel fuel. If anyone has the average content of the fuel in the Philippines that would give a even better comparison. http://www.pecj.or.jp/japanese/overs..._Y_Monsada.pdf

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...dy_Summary.jpg

Tried this just last week during refilling for full tank. Used up 200ml for 90ml for 90 liters. Have not researched correct ratio yet that is why. But knowing that it burns with gasoline and it has decarbonizer (Shell 2T), I assume that it will help clean the exhaust parts. have not really checked whether it improved the engine noise. Will check next time when I refill again.

based on my research, ratio is .8ml for every 1 liter.

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Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

Tried this just last week during refilling for full tank. Used up 200ml for 90ml for 90 liters. Have not researched correct ratio yet that is why. But knowing that it burns with gasoline and it has decarbonizer (Shell 2T), I assume that it will help clean the exhaust parts. have not really checked whether it improved the engine noise. Will check next time when I refill again.

based on my research, ratio is .8ml for every 1 liter.

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You are correct on the ratio. .8ml per liter is 200:1 or about 1 oz per gallon. Even when I was trying it with only 17L of fuel and my brother in law put in 8oz I had no issues. for a fuel tank which is 76L for me I just dump a full 8oz bottle in. It does not have to be 200:1 the minimum should be 128:1 ratio. I only added more than 8oz a few times since I normally run bio-diesel from flying V.

Yup I also add 2T on my diesel fuel. I'm using the 1:200 ratio.

Correct me if my interpretation is not right coz i use 200ml 2T for 40 liters of diesel fuel.

so, 1 liter 2T: 200 liter diesel or 0.5 liter 2T : 100 liter diesel
or 0.25liter 2T : 50 liter diesel, thus 0.2 liter 2T : 40 liter diesel
or 200mL 2T : 40 liter diesel.

if you use 0.8ml 2T: 1 liter diesel or 0.0008 liter 2T : 1 liter diesel or
0.08 liter 2T : 100 liter diesel or 0.16 liter 2T : 200 liter diesel
thus 1 liter 2T : 1250 liter diesel.

[SIZE="4"]elow guyz...

Can I also add 2T oil to my 1999Hi-ace with a 1KZ-TE engine? Will it damage the turbo?

TIA...[/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by erick_214

[SIZE=4]elow guyz...

Can I also add 2T oil to my 1999Hi-ace with a 1KZ-TE engine? Will it damage the turbo?

TIA...[/SIZE]

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sir bawal po text speak

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Originally Posted by rmpmla

Yup I also add 2T on my diesel fuel. I'm using the 1:200 ratio.

Correct me if my interpretation is not right coz i use 200ml 2T for 40 liters of diesel fuel.

so, 1 liter 2T: 200 liter diesel or 0.5 liter 2T : 100 liter diesel
or 0.25liter 2T : 50 liter diesel, thus 0.2 liter 2T : 40 liter diesel
or 200mL 2T : 40 liter diesel.

if you use 0.8ml 2T: 1 liter diesel or 0.0008 liter 2T : 1 liter diesel or
0.08 liter 2T : 100 liter diesel or 0.16 liter 2T : 200 liter diesel
thus 1 liter 2T : 1250 liter diesel.

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oo nga ano, parang mas tama yang sayo, pero sa nabasa ko kasi .8ml per liter so baka sobrang diluted na nga. Sabagay nothing wrong with the ratio you just used. :)

2T user here on my crdi for almost a year na.. Quieter engine is the most noticeable outcome. For the soot deposit i couldnt attest on this since i still got my EGR and PCV..

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Originally Posted by 12vdc

2T user here on my crdi for almost a year na.. Quieter engine is the most noticeable outcome. For the soot deposit i couldnt attest on this since i still got my EGR and PCV..

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pre 2007 crdi ba yan sir? Hindi ata adviseable sa 2007 and up models yang 2T sa diesel duel AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

pre 2007 crdi ba yan sir? Hindi ata adviseable sa 2007 and up models yang 2T sa diesel duel AFAIK.

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That may or may not be accurate for the diesels there, as they are designed to different standards vs say a US diesel engines.

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Originally Posted by erick_214

[SIZE=4]elow guyz...

Can I also add 2T oil to my 1999Hi-ace with a 1KZ-TE engine? Will it damage the turbo?

TIA...[/SIZE]

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Works well with any old school mechanical diesels, these are the ones that were not designed to be used with the new low sulfur diesel fuel that has been forced upon everyone. So give it a try and let us know if you can hear and feel the difference.

Dvldoc, so using anything lower than FD is fine? Best if FC?

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Originally Posted by dvldoc

Works well with any old school mechanical diesels, these are the ones that were not designed to be used with the new low sulfur diesel fuel that has been forced upon everyone. So give it a try and let us know if you can hear and feel the difference.

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Gusto ko talaga subukan kaso nga lang talagang kinakabahan ako baka masira fuel pump at magbara yung fuel filter...Pero sige I'll give it a try...So BIG QUESTION, kung magpapakarga ako ng 50L na diesel gano karaming 2T oil ang kailangan ko?

TIA...[/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

pre 2007 crdi ba yan sir? Hindi ata adviseable sa 2007 and up models yang 2T sa diesel duel AFAIK.

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Theres no study yet for bad effects of 2T-oil on CRDI. Some says that you can even use mineral-based 2T oil in lieu of regular diesel without damaging the engine.. Last time i checked, there are already plenty of crdi users enjoying the benefits of 2T.. My analogy is, as long as it is diesel and theres pump and fuel parts that would be better if lubricated, then 2T oil is the answer.

So far this is one of my mods the stealership wont detect, ever :grin: - because Diesel and 2T mix well.. hehe

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Originally Posted by erick_214

[SIZE=4]Gusto ko talaga subukan kaso nga lang talagang kinakabahan ako baka masira fuel pump at magbara yung fuel filter...Pero sige I'll give it a try...So BIG QUESTION, kung magpapakarga ako ng 50L na diesel gano karaming 2T oil ang kailangan ko?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]TIA...[/SIZE]

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Around 13oz of 2T


*Crazyboy

Yes you can use lower like FB or FA. FC is low ash so it burns much cleaner. Lubricaton is basically the same. For me anything to protech my injection pump in a grey market vehicle is worth it. I want max life out of my vehicle.

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Around 13oz of 2T


*Crazyboy

Yes you can use lower like FB or FA. FC is low ash so it burns much cleaner. Lubricaton is basically the same. For me anything to protech my injection pump in a grey market vehicle is worth it. I want max life out of my vehicle.

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Many thanks..! Try ko ito tom...Kaso nga lang may katanungan pa ako...yung motor kasi ng tito ko na 2-stroke eh nagkakaroon ng matigas na carbong deposit sa pipe niya so every year eh tinataktak niya pipe niya...possible din kaya magkaron niyan sa pipe ng diesel ride natin?[/SIZE]

I don't speak Tagalog my friend, The best I can translate is that your asking about carbon deposits in your intake pipe. Add a oil catch can and it will keep your intake clean.

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Originally Posted by dvldoc

I don't speak Tagalog my friend, The best I can translate is that your asking about carbon deposits in your intake pipe. Add a oil catch can and it will keep your intake clean.

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I think what he's trying to say is that there is carbon build up at the echaust pipe.

Dvldoc, i have been using FB grade for the past few months. Will try to look for FC grade this time :)