electric powered cars

**ghosthunter** · February 10th, 2012 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by cripple_rooster

A diesel engine, altough not so easy to convert to LPG or CNG, can run on some alternative fuels such as vegetable oils (either straight or waste), biodiesel and even ethanol, while all the processes involved in the manufacturing of the battery pack of a Prius generate more emissions than a diesel-powered Euro-spec Toyota Corolla 1.4 D4-D would do in a predictable 20 years lifespan, while the battery pack of the Prius wouldn't last more than 10 years so easily.

The idea of running on veg oil on nothing new. The problem of running on veg oil is two things. Cost and limited supply. Straight veg oil is expensive. Waste veg oil of the right kind is limited and requires extra labor to collect and properly prepare before it can be used. If the waste veg oil is free, there might be potential but the local market is wise to this. Most (if not all restaurants) sell their waste veg oil so locally, using veg oil as fuel will not prosper as well as in other countries where you can collect waste veg oil for free.

Although a diesel engine will run on straight veg oil, it is better to convert veg oil to bio-diesel especially when dealing with more modern diesel engines.

**ghosthunter** · February 10th, 2012 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by cripple_rooster

At least an electric motor doesn't need a gearbox. This eliminates some weight and friction losses, increasing the efficiency and then requiring a smaller (then lighter) battery pack.

Even if you save some weight on the tranny, you cannot use a smaller battery pack because that will decrease your range.

**cripple_rooster** · February 10th, 2012 06:03 PM

Less dead weight leads to an improvement to the efficiency, and so does the elimination of the friction losses, then improving the range. So, it would actually not be so unsuitable to use a smaller (and consequently even lighter) battery pack, altough I'd prefer to retain its original size to increase the range.

**ghosthunter** · February 10th, 2012 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by cripple_rooster

Less dead weight leads to an improvement to the efficiency, and so does the elimination of the friction losses, then improving the range. So, it would actually not be so unsuitable to use a smaller (and consequently even lighter) battery pack, altough I'd prefer to retain its original size to increase the range.

Two words is very important with electric cars & potential users/owners.

"Range anxiety"

So more battery is better.

**cripple_rooster** · February 10th, 2012 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

The idea of running on veg oil on nothing new.

Rudolf Diesel himself, after unsuccessful experiences with coal dust, used peanut oil to test his first compression-ignited engine.

Although a diesel engine will run on straight veg oil, it is better to convert veg oil to bio-diesel especially when dealing with more modern diesel engines.

The glycerin extracted from the oil in the biodiesel production can still have some value for industrial applications. During World War II there was a nationwide cooking fats collection program in the United States mainly to use the glycerin to make explosives to be used in the war. Even beef tallow was used for that. Beef tallow wouldn't be suitable to use as fuel, but can actually be turned into biodiesel.

**uls** · February 10th, 2012 06:27 PM

testing

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**GSHME** · March 20th, 2012 10:56 AM

Cooking oil is the latest thing crims in USA are chasing due to the cost of fuel, as well as stealing Tide, bleach, Ciigges, to sell on the black market to use to barter.

**uls** · March 20th, 2012 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by GSHME

Cooking oil is the latest thing crims in USA are chasing due to the cost of fuel, as well as stealing Tide, bleach, Ciigges, to sell on the black market to use to barter.

yep. liquid gold nga tawag sa Tide ngayon

bottle of Tide with anti-theft device

**niky** · March 20th, 2012 11:29 AM

Man... it's like depression-era America, man... with more Facebook!

**uls** · March 20th, 2012 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by niky

Man... it's like depression-era America, man... with more Facebook!

that's how bad it is

WASHINGTON (AP) — When police in suburban Washington raided the home of a suspected drug dealer last fall, they found the cocaine, all right, but also something unusual on the man's shelves: nearly 20 large bottles of liquid Tide laundry detergent.

It turns out his customers were paying for drugs not with cash but with stolen Tide, police said.

Tide has become a hot commodity among thieves at supermarkets and drugstores in at least some parts of the country.

Rising gas prices create smoking-hot demand for cooking oil

From California to Maine, thefts of used cooking oil are on the rise — driven by the rising price of oil that makes biofuels more cost competitive with fossil fuels. Like thieves who ransack foreclosed homes for copper wire, higher prices for used cooking oil can attract people with a hunger for crime as well as dinner.

The old cooking oil, which has been used for decades in the chemical and animal feed industries, is now a hot commodity, as biodiesel manufacturers fight for raw materials . Biodiesel is gaining in popularity as a transportation fuel. The largest consumers are fleet operators, including municipal buses and courier firms like FedEx.