P15 -> diesel compatible fuel

[fierari]

try na ntin yan

[edzzz]

this would be a big help for common people like me. Ayus, may malapit na Flying V sa min, Quirino hi-way, near Zamora st. after Nagtahan bridge if your coming from UST

[fierari]

meron na ba sa flying v? kaso yung filter.... kailangan ba sa kanya bumili?

[rsnald]

na - review ko na po when this thread came out..

link

proven na yung technology about the fuel... basically, this is a mixture of water + bitumen or a diesel compatible fuel. naka disperse yung fuel sa water as very very fine droplets of fuel ...kaya lalabas na mura talaga fuel mo. but this kind of fuel, known as
orimulsion
in venezuela, is used to fuel power generators and boilers... sa passenger car/truck diesel engine... well that's another story. sabi nga ni prez ungas it might work for some but not for all.

sa tingin ko, di pwede ito sa mga merong ECU, or maybe even sa direct inject. yung mga fuel injectors kasi ay nakadesign to give optimum spray pattern and fuel/air mixture based sa viscosity, specific gravity at fluid flow properties (nax ) ng diesel fuel. baka hindi maoptimize yung spray pattern at air/fuel mixture... saka ang huling tanong...anong mangyayari dun sa tubig na kahalo ng fuel?
imho lang po. :

pero kung ite-test ni pres ungas, abay intayin natin kung ano kalalabsan

[jim]

Originally posted by rsnald
saka ang huling tanong...anong mangyayari dun sa tubig na kahalo ng fuel?
imho lang po. :

pero kung ite-test ni pres ungas, abay intayin natin kung ano kalalabsan

hindi kaya ito yung purpose nung filter na binebenta rin nila??? to dispose or filter out the water???? hunch lang..........

I second the motion........ go sir ungas............. test na po ninyo hehehehehe

[RafRaf]

rsnald, are we talking of the same technology here? parang iba yung sinasabi mo na fuel+water sa ReLoaded diesel ni Lantano. Pareho siya yata yung inventor pero magkaiba yata yung dalawang fuel na iyon (sa pagka-intinde ko based dun sa threads).

RL ReLoaded Fuel is a mixture of diesel and Lantano's 1996 winning invention, the Super Bunker Formula L. with the use of his patented invention, the Agitating Reactor Machine.

[RafRaf]

Ooops, I take that back... rsnald, the reloaded fuel na tinatawag is a mixture of diesel and yung Super Bunker Formula L (which is the fuel+water formula you are talking about). Eto yung laman ng link dun sa kabilang thread... impressive... nakapag-tayo na nga kaya ng planta sa US?

MANILA - Water as fuel may well have been dismissed as a foolish proposition several years ago. Not anymore.

After nearly a quarter century of research, Filipino plant mechanic Rudy Lantano has developed an industrial fuel composed of 40-50 per cent water, 50 per cent bunker oil and 5 per cent additives.

A cheaper and an environment-friendly alternative to bunker fuel, the Super Bunker Formula-L is now being sold commercially to power factories, power plants, boilers and generators.

'It is environmentally safe and could be the ultimate solution to global warming,' Mr Lantano said recently.

The Department of Science and Technology (DOST) and the National Power Corporation, the two government agencies which have tested the fuel, said the water-based bunker fuel emits less pollutants and reduces ignition smoke emission from 1,000 parts per million to 55 ppm.

'It causes less pollution, resulting in a cleaner and healthier environment,' said the 60-year-old inventor, who was awarded the gold medal by the World Intellectual Property Organisation in 1996 for his invention.

For the Philippines, which imports the bulk of its energy needs, the use of hydro-bunker fuel could mean millions of dollars in savings.

Mr Lantano, whose research has been aided and endorsed by the government, has also developed two other alternative fuel mixes: Alco-diesel and Lan-gas.

Alco-diesel is a blend of hydrous ethyl alcohol and diesel fuel that can be used to power compression engines.

Lan-gas, on the other hand, is a mixture of alcohol and petrol that can be used to fuel spark-ignition engines.

Use of these alternative fuel mixes does not require changes in existing engines, and, therefore, can be used for any vehicle, according to Mr Lantano.

Private companies such as Pilipinas Shell Petroleum Corporation, which have tested Alco-diesel in particular, said the fuel blend produces more engine power and enables vehicles to accelerate faster and obtain more mileage per litre of fuel.

The DOST estimates Alco-diesel, if available commercially throughout the country, will save Manila from buying up to three million barrels of diesel oil annually.

At present, the three types of alternative fuel are sold only in 12 Lan-gas stations owned by Mr Lantano, and in stations managed by independent oil retailers.

But in coming months, Mr Lantano is setting up plants in Thailand and in the United States.

The American authorities have assured him that the US plant, to be built in Maryland, will be exempted from paying any taxes.

An oil company in the United Arab Emirates has also approached him for a possible tie-up.

Although multinational oil companies still dominate the oil market in most parts of the world, Mr Lantano predicts global warming and the worsening air pollution in urban areas would eventually jack up demand for alternative and environment-friendly fuel.

Copyright @ 2002 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved. http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asi.../0,1870,136861

[rsnald]

@rafraf
base dun sa article na sinama mo, tama ang analysis ko na similar sya sa orimulsion. yung agitator reactor machine na sinasabi nya is probably nothing but a high speed mixer. Kailangan kasi ma-mix under high speed agitation yung fuel emulsion together with the diesel para di sila maghiwalay.
again, base sa article, walang sinabi specifically about using it for automotive diesel engines. sa diesel engine powered power plants sya ginagamit.

so I maintain my opinion, baka di umubra sa direct inject and ECU equipped diesel engines mainly because it the fuel injection system is designed or matched to the fluid flow properties of diesel. Aside from the question of where the water will go?

just my humble opinion

So.... your excellency master Ungas... get the ball rollin!!! umpisahan mo na! pag tumirik ride mo madami kaming magtutulak

[rsnald]

@rafraf
base dun sa article na sinama mo, tama ang analysis ko na similar sya sa orimulsion (click mo kase yung link ko ). yung agitator reactor machine na sinasabi nya is probably nothing but a high speed mixer. Kailangan kasi ma-mix under high speed mixing yung fuel emulsion together with the diesel para di sila maghiwalay.
again, base sa article, walang sinabi specifically about using it for automotive diesel engines. sa diesel engine powered power plants sya ginagamit.

so I maintain my opinion, baka di umubra sa direct inject and ECU equipped diesel engines mainly becauset the fuel injection system is designed or matched to the fluid flow properties of diesel. Aside from the question of where the water will go?

just my humble opinion

So.... your excellency master Ungas... get the ball rollin!!! umpisahan mo na! pag tumirik ride mo madami kaming magtutulak

[x-wind]

Originally posted by rsnald
@rafraf
base dun sa article na sinama mo, tama ang analysis ko na similar sya sa orimulsion. yung agitator reactor machine na sinasabi nya is probably nothing but a high speed mixer. Kailangan kasi ma-mix under high speed agitation yung fuel emulsion together with the diesel para di sila maghiwalay.
again, base sa article, walang sinabi specifically about using it for automotive diesel engines. sa diesel engine powered power plants sya ginagamit.

so I maintain my opinion, baka di umubra sa direct inject and ECU equipped diesel engines mainly because it the fuel injection system is designed or matched to the fluid flow properties of diesel. Aside from the question of where the water will go?

just my humble opinion

So.... your excellency master Ungas... get the ball rollin!!! umpisahan mo na! pag tumirik ride mo madami kaming magtutulak

yan ang registered chemist ng isuzu club galing talaga