NUVIMAX Electromagnastatic Fuel/Air Mixing System [MERGED]

[ghosthunter]

Your scientific testing method of A-B-A coincide with the EPA test protocol. UP-VRTL tests use the Japanese 10-15 mode driving cycle. There will be 3 trials per engine condition (without and with the device) and the results average. (A-B). If they will implement the A-B-A test protocol like what you suggest, the transition between B-A will result in errors because when the device/s are removed, a long residual effect is still present. You have to use the car for an undermined length of time until the effect reverts to zero. Baka kulang yong 25K para sa isang car if we will insist that A-B-A will be implemented.

That is just more excuses.

If you use a car with modern EFI, just reset the ECU before each test. That would be enough.

With carb cars, simply pulling off your gadget is enough to get back the baseline results IF there wasn't any other modification done to the engine.

[light2light]

GH, "simply pulling the gadgets is enough to get back to the baseline results" is too simplistic;

Quote: Excerpts from ETV
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Vehicle ' Baseline ' W/ Nuvitron ' %Fuel efficiency
gasoline engine ' w/o device '
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98KIA Pride 1.3L ' 20.94K/l ' 23.78K/l ' 13.56%
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Our baseline should be 13+K/l; pero 20.94k/l sa baseline ng ETV. Why? I still think that it is due to residual effect of the devices. Nakakabit na ang dual-devices nuon. Nang pinatanggal, napakataas pa rin ang baseline namin.

Pls take note of the unusually high baseline. Wala tuloy naniwala sa inyo, but it is in the records for all to see. Kahit idisregard niyo ang dyno at emission test, something is there that could not be easily explained. Thank you

[iceblueyes]

GH, "simply pulling the gadgets is enough to get back to the baseline results" is too simplistic;

Quote: Excerpts from ETV
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Vehicle ' Baseline ' W/ Nuvitron ' %Fuel efficiency
gasoline engine ' w/o device '
--------------------------------------------------------------------'--------------------------
98KIA Pride 1.3L ' 20.94K/l ' 23.78K/l ' 13.56%
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Our baseline should be 13+K/l; pero 20.94k/l sa baseline ng ETV. Why? I still think that it is due to residual effect of the devices. Nakakabit na ang dual-devices nuon. Nang pinatanggal, napakataas pa rin ang baseline namin.

Pls take note of the unusually high baseline. Wala tuloy naniwala sa inyo, but it is in the records for all to see. Kahit idisregard niyo ang dyno at emission test, something is there that could not be easily explained. Thank you

and all you did is 1 run of the tests.

saan field ka nakakakita na 1 run lang pwede na tanggapin as fact yung results? or para sa Test A kay Subject A kukunin ang resulta at sa Test B kay Subject B dapat. Winner ka a, paano ka nakapasa ng college?

[niky]

GH, "simply pulling the gadgets is enough to get back to the baseline results" is too simplistic;

Quote: Excerpts from ETV
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Vehicle ' Baseline ' W/ Nuvitron ' %Fuel efficiency
gasoline engine ' w/o device '
--------------------------------------------------------------------'--------------------------
98KIA Pride 1.3L ' 20.94K/l ' 23.78K/l ' 13.56%
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Our baseline should be 13+K/l; pero 20.94k/l sa baseline ng ETV. Why? I still think that it is due to residual effect of the devices. Nakakabit na ang dual-devices nuon. Nang pinatanggal, napakataas pa rin ang baseline namin.

Pls take note of the unusually high baseline. Wala tuloy naniwala sa inyo, but it is in the records for all to see. Kahit idisregard niyo ang dyno at emission test, something is there that could not be easily explained. Thank you

What's so high about the baseline? It's a 1.3 liter Pride.

One of the participants in the last Petron Xtra Mile challenge was driving a carbureted 1.3 liter Mazda Familia... Exact same engine. Bigger, heavier car. If I recall right, their completely stock 1.3 liter engine got between 23-28 km/l.

You're talking to guys who know how to drive cars to get over 20 km/l. I drove a Ford Fiesta 1.6 to 19-21 km/l last weekend.

The litmus test is really simple. Dyno car. Record fuel consumption in liters per hour under continuous load using a calibrated flow meter attached to the fuel line. Install device. Since there is no "learning" involved with carbureted cars, dyno car with device. Record consumption, etcetera. Remove device. Do it again. And again, and again, and again.

Andali, ano? And that will only cost 5000 pesos in dyno time. Do ABA test again the next day to control for conditions. 10,000 pesos for up to 6 A-B-A runs.

[light2light]

niky, bro, easier said than done. When the two devices were removed, our baseline was 20K/l. Sana, less than 15K/l lang. It will take an undetermined length of time to revert to normal. This is a big problem.

Kung balik agad ang baseline na 13K/l, wala sanang problema. Pero mataas pa at hindi bumabalik agad sa previous baseline. The transition between B-A would be a data error, di ba? UP-VRTL do not have the luxury of time, they want to finish the test in a day, if possible. Their test protocol is A-B only. No A-B-A. We have two dilemmas here. Any suggestions? tnx

[sirkosero]

nose bleed

[jut703]

I think the point that he's trying to drive home is, "sige pagtawanan niyo produkto ko, ang kikitid ng mga utak niyo, di niyo nakikita na ikauunlad/ikasisikat ko 'to. Tipong tagumpay na hindi niyo makakamit dahil mga gunggong lang kayo na bahagi ng masa. Kung uunlad man kayo, panandalian lang."

[chua_riwap]

^ yun nga sir eh.
sana tinagalog na lang.......

[jut703]

Tagalog, Yoda knows not.

[kaeru618157]

Akala ko hindi ko lang talaga maintindihan. Malabo pala talaga

[renzo_d10]

Yun o!

Pictures of the nuvi nuvi test, please.... :D

[light2light]

To: Engr. Lowslowbenz, SGS
All Tsikoteers

Sir/Gentlemen/Mesdames,

Thank you for giving us the chance to prove what the ICT is worth. We hope and hope and pray that the testing will be performed by your prestigious company. We hope that you will find the ICT worthwhile to investigate.

In case it will be consummated, you are given the express permission to post the results on this thread or on Tsikot for all to see(whether positive or negative). Anything, something and everything about the ICT should be posted .

To all worthy friends; GH, dvldoc, niky, uls, etc.., the first and second dream team of Tsikot(sabi ni boydapa),,grin; I had never treated you as my adversaries; like looking at each other, but rather, like looking in the same direction, parallel and infinite. You would, and never could believe me. Let me put it this way. “ Idescribe mo ang apple sa tatlong tao; after several thousand words, malabo pa rin maintindihan. Give the three persons an apple each, within minutes, maiintidan na nila kung ano ang mansanas. (Ganyan ang belief ko sa innovation that Divine Providence had gifted us with.) If I were to put myself in your shoes, I would never believe the nuvi.nuvi, unless I see it. I would call the claimant a dreamer, one who is not well versed on automotive principles, etc., but I would never call him a scammer.

Sir lowslowbenz, the ball is now in your court. We hope that you will fulfill your offer to call the ICT a dud or a dude. We hope you will not fail us and the throng of tsikoteers (15,961) who had visited this thread which was started by chocokorn in 08-08-2010.

As for me, nothing can dissuade me from the innovation; I’ve tasted that apple.

Thanks and regards.

NUVI.NUVI

[EE100shiro]

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[light2light]

nuvi.nuvi (courtesy of gh) na lang, pre, mas elegant
wait muna; till you taste the apple.
have a nice day, bro.

[uls]

yeah yeah taste the apple whatever

[lowslowbenz]

To: Engr. Lowslowbenz, SGS
Sir lowslowbenz, the ball is now in your court. We hope that you will fulfill your offer to call the ICT a dud or a dude. We hope you will not fail us and the throng of tsikoteers (15,961) who had visited this thread which was started by chocokorn in 08-08-2010.

As for me, nothing can dissuade me from the innovation; I’ve tasted that apple.

Thanks and regards.

NUVI.NUVI

HAHAHA ... We can give you the MOON if you want. But right now, basing on what you have given me (us/SGS), your efforts around here amount to nothing! Nga pala, I'm still waiting for the other documents you promised on your "second email".

Credible
Substantial
Factual
Non-Flawed

Test Reports, Non-Goverment affiliate issued Certificates. We are also asking for the Technical Specifications of your product, and your company structure, officers, profile, etc. All of which you still have to show me!

Now I ask you, what BALL/COURT are you talking about?

[uls]

and your company structure, officers, profile, etc.

hahaha kinda like a asking a sari-sari store for articles of incorporation, statement of assets and liabilities, bank certificate of deposit of paid-in capital, registration data sheet showing directors, officers, stockholders...

[light2light]

halos lahat ibinigay ko na except our papers of incorporation. test reports, tech specs, di ba work ng sgs yon? ganuon pala kadugo magpatesting sa isang international verification company.

ang taas pa naman ng expectations ko, sir. sayang, hindi pala matutuloy. marami na siguro ang nagaabang dito. siguro, ang concern ng maraming tsikoteers ay; from a scale of 1 - 10, saan ang ICT? (according to actual test)

ipagpatuloy mo na sir, pls, para matapos na ito at maconcentrate ako sa lpg stove fuel saver presentation/production.

baka pwede itest niyo sa carb engine na sinasabi mo nuon. ang sinasabi mong test sa sgs, pang ISO rating na yata, sir. tnx

[light2light]

i am sorry to announce that malabong-malabo ang pagtesting ng ICT sa sgs. The test protocol is for acquiring an ISO rating for the innovation. Pang-international standards. Sayang.

Di kagaya ng testing sa UP-VRTL: pay fee of p25k, bring test vehicle (Tuned-up), Test with A-B protocol, wait for a week or two for the results. Dalawang araw, tapos na ang tests. No requirements like incorporation paper, specs, etc.. for other testing entities in MM, 1 week, tapos na.

i still hope against hope that lowslowbenz will fascillitate the tests by sgs. Sana, 1% of 1%, may pagasa pa. Sorry to dampen your expectations, folks. thank you

[lowslowbenz]

halos lahat ibinigay ko na except our papers of incorporation. test reports, tech specs, di ba work ng sgs yon? ganuon pala kadugo magpatesting sa isang international verification company.

ang taas pa naman ng expectations ko, sir. sayang, hindi pala matutuloy. marami na siguro ang nagaabang dito. siguro, ang concern ng maraming tsikoteers ay; from a scale of 1 - 10, saan ang ICT? (according to actual test)

ipagpatuloy mo na sir, pls, para matapos na ito at maconcentrate ako sa lpg stove fuel saver presentation/production.

baka pwede itest niyo sa carb engine na sinasabi mo nuon. ang sinasabi mong test sa sgs, pang ISO rating na yata, sir. tnx

Duh? Was that all? For the information of everybody reading/viewing this thread (since you are now in the mindset that you and everybody else is on this), the documents you have furnished to me, are the same set of documents that you posted in here.

So literally and figuratively speaking, all you have to prove of your so-called invention is supported by those documents that YOU yourself mentioned as "flawed" test reports. The DOST certificate? What certificate? It was not even a certificate that was given to you. It was a Verification Statement, with a huge-arse disclaimer written on it.

Big fuss on technical specifications? As an ISO company, we need to know what is the true nature of your product way before it gets our nod of approval, way before you as an inventor/businessman can truly and effectively market it. If your claims of it are valid, then you must produce documents as mentioned above to support your claim.

Yes, testing is complicated (to use your word). That is why we are what we say we are. No amount of snake-oil can surmount that. Which is why I was asking for certificates that are furnished (to you) by non-government related agencies or institutions. Why? Because goverment certificates can be bought, signatures forged, seals tampered. Companies and products bearing our mark of approval pass thru strict quality, testing, and technical control standards under ISO principles, guidelines and procedures.

Bottomline, I think this is a real waste of time, effort, and mention company resources (am replying thru company internet).

My car? I am still "asking" permission from it. Remember you telling us here that engines have a "learning phase'? Well, I am still asking my 27 year old car if it is willing to "learn".

NO reply so far!

Goodluck to you and your product/s.