Khaos Super Gas Saver

[mazdamazda]

just found this on the Khaos website:

How KSTC diifer from catalytic converter since it is also an anti-polluion device?
Catalytic Converter is a post combustion device that filters and deposit the pollutants in its chamber whileKSTC is a precombustion device that ensures unburned fuel (pollutants) are completely burned through a ratio of 15 parts of air and 1 part gas mixture all the time.

Wow! The catalytic converter FILTERS and DEPOSITS pollutants!

No wonder that the KSTC inventor is getting physics theories all mixed up. :bwahaha:

What's the saving percentage on gasoline consumption once KSTC is installed?
Based on 1,000 different types of vehicles with KSTC installed a savings of 10% to 50% were achieved, depending on type and condition of vehicle but an average of 25% on gas savings were usually observed.

1,000 different types of vehicles!!!

and notice the use of the word usually. so, no one bothered to input this all into an spreadsheet then get the average of the 1,000 different types of vehicles. how I wish that we can see that list!

KSTC is maintenance free just clean the filter by soap and water.

maintenance free? how come you are telling would be buyers that they need to clean it by soap and water?

Since KSTC achieve efficient combustion it can prolong the life span of the engine, spark plug, mufflers, and engine oil.

can explain about prolonging the life span of the muffler? muffler... wow!

[ghosthunter]

just found this on the Khaos website:

Wow! The catalytic converter FILTERS and DEPOSITS pollutants!

No wonder that the KSTC inventor is getting physics theories all mixed up. :bwahaha:

yup! Isn't it interesting what can be passed as fact in some websites these days just to promote your product?

It has the same logic as catalytic converters being bad. Hmmmm, I wonder if Vixen spanked Mr. Planas yet?

[ghosthunter]

DENR Certification:

BTW, who is Egar Chua?

Pilipinas Shell country chairman is Edgar Chua

[BlueBimmer]

dami nyan a..

[cyberdoc95]

For a researcher's point of view, dapat kasi they have recorded the results of more subjects to make their claim more credible. Example, make it 1000 AUV's, 1000 cars, 1000 trucks, with comparable engines and mileage. With this method, they will ultimately see a clear picture of how this device works in the real world, and make these results as a marketing tool. And also, they should have let an independent research group evaluate this device.

I was wondering if this was the same device that the inventor refused to be evaluated by the US reseachers. I think I read in one of the threads but I must have been mistaken. If he submitted himself for an evaluation to prove his claim, then that would have made things easier for his sales.

[Freeman]

4x4ph forum topic on Khaos

Recent reply of fuelsaving.info (Tony of http://www.fuelsaving.info) to Freeman : (or see it's entirety by clicking the link above.)

(Freeman * Jan 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
However, the fact still remains that Tony's claims are also inconclusive - with regards to the Khaos device - as he has not done any actual testing on it nor has he lay an eye or finger on it. (Give me this Tony - I am stating a fact).

Indeed. Theoretical evaluation of the device, as well as its apparent similarity to devices that are known to be useless, strongly suggests that the Khaos is too. But agreed, that is not proof that it doesn't work.

(Freeman * Jan 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
The Khaos device, like the other fuel savings gadgets, rely on positive testimonials and vague explanations to sell their products rather than solid scientific data. This is Tony's crusade, and the beef of this gadgets critics. I appreciate where they are all coming from. Unless a competent independent third party conducts a test, the question whether this device really works will remain a question.

Well said, and congratulations on being one of the few people in this field who has rational beliefs. There are "fanatics" on both sides, and I verge on being one myself at times!

(Freeman * Jan 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
As a matter of fact johnqpublic and company, representing TUV Germany, had a conference with the inventor and his engineers not more than two months ago. They could not be satisfied with any explanation from Khaos' creator and makers on how the product actually reduced emissions and saved fuel. The talks did not progress to an actual test.

Well now, that is interesting...

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Khaos (or something like it) to really work. I'd like to save money on petrol myself! So Freeman, if either you or the Khaos guys want any help in planning a test or interpreting the results, get in touch!

Tony

[BlueBimmer]

omg pwnd! hehe

[GlennSter]

how about, good 'ol regular maintenance and good driving habits?

a THINKING brain, perhaps?

[Ischaramoochie]

how about, good 'ol regular maintenance and good driving habits?

a THINKING brain, perhaps?

well, that's nice. regular maintanance and good driving habits are indeed helpful for obtaining an efficient engine. however, no matter how lightly you step on the gas, or how seldom you use the engine brake, lifting your foot from the throttle always results in unburnt and wasted fuel.

[ghosthunter]

.... lifting your foot from the throttle always results in unburnt and wasted fuel.

Maybe thats true with the 1978 Nissan Datsun with plate number SAC-246 but with today's efi engines, it doesn't happen anymore simply because the fuel injectors will cut fuel the moment you release the gas pedal and only resume to maintain engine from stalling.

[BlueBimmer]

here's proof ur fooling nobody, a celfon stall renting in our place has been selling the kstc for over a year now and not 1 has been sold. they have these huge ass poster and brochures but the customers know better. if u cant fool normal people, dont even dream of fooling car enthusiasts. the stall owner even tried to convince me to try one on my bimmer to which i politely declined.

dont think ur smarter than the car manufacturers who spends millions if not billions of dollars in research to improve their engine emissions and fuel consumption. sure im all for filipino inventions but it is a whole different ballgame when ur screwing people over.

[Ischaramoochie]

here's proof ur fooling nobody, a celfon stall renting in our place has been selling the kstc for over a year now and not 1 has been sold. they have these huge ass poster and brochures but the customers know better. if u cant fool normal people, dont even dream of fooling car enthusiasts. the stall owner even tried to convince me to try one on my bimmer to which i politely declined.

dont think ur smarter than the car manufacturers who spends millions if not billions of dollars in research to improve their engine emissions and fuel consumption. sure im all for filipino inventions but it is a whole different ballgame when ur screwing people over.

that's a nice story, but nobody's buying it. aside from it being anecdotal, it would not be possible.

the KSTC dealership contract lasts for only 6 months, and is subject to renewal, depending on the volume of sales. it would be impossible for a dealer to have his contract renewed in spite of having zero sales for the year.

however, let me play with your logic for a while. our office has been averaging 30 units a month, for 2 months. our advertising is minimal, and we rely solely on referrals made by our satisfied customers. what does that say?

p.s. one last thing: KSTC dealers don't sell units per se. we install them.

[ghosthunter]

that's a nice story, but nobody's buying it. aside from it being anecdotal, it would not be possible.

I also think khaos' testimonials can also be considered anectodal too.

[ghosthunter]

however, let me play with your logic for a while. our office has been averaging 30 units a month, for 2 months. our advertising is minimal, and we rely solely on referrals made by our satisfied customers. what does that say?

minimal advertising... hmm
-BIG billboard along south superhighway approaching Quirino.
-radio advertisement plugs on certain FM stations.
-BIG roadside banners near shops selling said items.

Add to that:
-salaries of marketing staff
-salaries of technicians (installers)
-percentage income from dealers
-manufacturing
-office overheads
-taxes, etc

All paid for by the 30 units/month = P195,000 gross

That says your profit margin per unit is pretty high.

[BlueBimmer]

u want proof? before u start calling my story bogus look this up. our store is located in general santos. celfon store renting is CELLUTEL, owner is DAVE. look for the # urself. i wont name his surname since this is the internet after all. i suggest u kol that up before accusing me of being a liar fool.

[Ischaramoochie]

u want proof? before u start calling my story bogus look this up. our store is located in general santos. celfon store renting is CELLUTEL, owner is DAVE. look for the # urself. i wont name his surname since this is the internet after all. i suggest u kol that up before accusing me of being a liar fool.

well then, thanks for being defensive. although don't expect me to believe your story just like that. in any case, your story proves nothing, as not all dealers share the same fate. if you are basing your impression of the product from the number of sales, then i suggest you call the main office and ask how many units they sell in a day. that's your logic, not mine.

[BlueBimmer]

it proves one thing, that ur a chickenshit who denies proof. and now ur saying not all dealer share the same fate, i thought u said it is impossible for a dealer to have 0 sales? u r contradicting ur own post. that shows how credible u are. deny away fool.

[Ischaramoochie]

it proves one thing, that ur a chickenshit who denies proof. and now ur saying not all dealer share the same fate, i thought u said it is impossible for a dealer to have 0 sales? u r contradicting ur own post. that shows how credible u are. deny away fool.

actually, i denied nothing since you proved nothing. would you please care to provide proof in black-and-white? a sales report would be nice. a dealership agreement? a written certification? a photo? all i can bank on is your statement, so why expect me to just believe you? you won't believe the claims of Khaos without ample proof, so why expect us to believe you?

[BlueBimmer]

hey ive given u the dealer name and even the owner, u want me to spoon feed everything to u? dream on buddy! and r u stupid or something? y are u here then? isnt it to prove something bout ur product?? what with all ur documents etc. it is u who has something to prove to us not the other way around hahaha! fool indeed!

[kiper]

Wala pa ba ung hinihintay naming EPA TEST RESULTS..?