Khaos Super Gas Saver

[deocaroph]

U are right! However, if the proper amount of additional air is given only on demand, then running lean is avoided. If you run lean, overheating would result and no overheating has been experienced at all. The valve used came from a model airplane engine.

[mazdamazda]

U are right! However, if the proper amount of additional air is given only on demand, then running lean is avoided. If you run lean, overheating would result and no overheating has been experienced at all. The valve used came from a model airplane engine.

errr... how do you measure the "proper" amount of air needed by the engine? was the ECU reprogrammed to adjust for the additional unmetered air being introduced to the engine?

btw, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY to make an existing engine to be more fuel efficient through mechanical means - other than to lean (even if slightly) the air-fuel mixture (other than that your fuel consumption will depend on your driving style, vehicle condition, traffic volume, etc). try revving your engine hard and you'll notice some difference.

come to think of it, if car manufacturers are spending billions in research annually on more fuel-efficient engines - how come they haven't adapted this idea into their new vehicles?

[BlueBimmer]

u made one??

[ghosthunter]

well, basically anyone handy with tools can make one. All you need is a small filter (crankcase vent filter or scooter air intake filter will do fine), some tubing & proper fittings to attach said filter to your air-intake (post air-sensor).

In case you run too lean (duh!), you can also make this adjustable by adding a simple air-valve (like from an aquarium).

Of course any method of making your engine run lean will increase harmful emissions of NOx gasses.

[altec]

ghosthunter, I believe the installed product can give zero pollution is quite possible. Sinabi ba nila umaandar ang makina? O, kung naka off ang makina, e di, zero pollution nga!

Considering the number of happy consumers of khaos, its a wonder why there are also a lot of unhappy users as well. If the product is really that good, you would hardly hear any complaints. And if the product really works, Mr. Planas would have made adjustments so that his product will work as claimed, and not just removed and the money refunded. Any refund means walang pag-asa, hopeless, ika nga.

That's the beauty of any product that makes such warranties. It lulls the consumer into thinking the product is really good. But then again, how many pinoys would go and claim the refund, if claiming the refund means you end up spending more rather than just removing the said product from your engine and throwing it away. The best consumer ang pinoy... ang lokohin. Kung sa america pa ito, wow...

[BioActiv]

khaos claimed can be validated. Very simple way lang to get the perfect air fuel mixture. You just need a right emission equipment capable of reading "lambda" or simply the air - fuel ratio of the engine. No product substantation on khaos pa tayong makikita except claims !! I would suggest better try Biodiesel ! This really works! A very, practical, inexpensive, non invasive way, of cleaning the engine internals. Socially good for human health, economically good for the agri industry, environmentally friendly, and user friendly. No engine modification and will not void warranty. Biodiesel has been used in leading countries in Europe, and US and up to 20 % blend ratio. Good thing, we have here in the Philippines and thanks to Chemrez, Seaoil, Flying V, and Eastern Petroleum. You may want to visit their stations and see for yourself. Nothing to loose. All of us are " win -win here. Biodisel use will also soften the impact on imported fuel. Magkaroon man ng runaway crisis on crude, aandar pa rin tayo simply because of BioActiv.. premium Biodiesel.

[ghosthunter]

khaos claimed can be validated. Very simple way lang to get the perfect air fuel mixture. You just need a right emission equipment capable of reading "lambda" or simply the air - fuel ratio of the engine. No product substantation on khaos pa tayong makikita except claims !! I would suggest better try Biodiesel ! This really works! A very, practical, inexpensive, non invasive way, of cleaning the engine internals. Socially good for human health, economically good for the agri industry, environmentally friendly, and user friendly. No engine modification and will not void warranty. Biodiesel has been used in leading countries in Europe, and US and up to 20 % blend ratio. Good thing, we have here in the Philippines and thanks to Chemrez, Seaoil, Flying V, and Eastern Petroleum. You may want to visit their stations and see for yourself. Nothing to loose. All of us are " win -win here. Biodisel use will also soften the impact on imported fuel. Magkaroon man ng runaway crisis on crude, aandar pa rin tayo simply because of BioActiv.. premium Biodiesel.

Kindly stop with your sales talk in this forum. Your reply is a thinly disguised advertisment for your product.

[Bogeyman]

Well, basically anything you post is fair game. After all, we're talking about the World Wide Web, where other people can freely view the information you share.

Besides vixen, the statement in question is an unsubstantiated and ignorant blanket assumption. And it's not even an original statement for you to make a fuss. If I were you, I'd instead devote my energies to looking for substantive and conclusive proof that the Khaos Super Turbo Charger is everything you claim it to be.

Get over it child, and move on. NOW.

[Walter]

Maybe she had a bad hair day. :fire:

[maop99]

Ang friend ko nagpakabit ng Khaos turbo charger, ngayon gusto niyang tanggalin...nasira kaya yung makina niya? or naapektohan kaya yung performance? nakakasira ba ng engine yan? or okay pa rin ba ang engine niya? It seems that maraming naniniwala walang nagagawa and khaos, so I assume na di niya rin masisira ang makina? di niya mapapaganda, di rin niya masisira kasi wala siyang ginagawa? Correct ba guys? sorry natatakot na kasi ag friend ko baka nasira ang engine niya in the long run and wala naman ako alam sa Khaos? Please help

[GlennSter]

pare.please use the search function.khaos is the most controversial threads here in tsikot.meaning..pinag usapan at pinag awayan na yan extensively.dami nang threads about it.

thank you.

[ghosthunter]

Ang friend ko nagpakabit ng Khaos turbo charger, ngayon gusto niyang tanggalin...nasira kaya yung makina niya? or naapektohan kaya yung performance? nakakasira ba ng engine yan? or okay pa rin ba ang engine niya? It seems that maraming naniniwala walang nagagawa and khaos, so I assume na di niya rin masisira ang makina? di niya mapapaganda, di rin niya masisira kasi wala siyang ginagawa? Correct ba guys? sorry natatakot na kasi ag friend ko baka nasira ang engine niya in the long run and wala naman ako alam sa Khaos? Please help

khaos device causes the engine to burn lean. A lean burning engine can possibly destroy itself in the long run.

[maop99]

whoa, ghosthunter, dapat pala tanggalin na kaagad....what's lean burning pala hehehe

[ghosthunter]

whoa, ghosthunter, dapat pala tanggalin na kaagad....what's lean burning pala hehehe

anyway, for further explanation regarding why lean burning is bad for your engine, just scan thru the earlier pages of this thread for the explanation (its there somewhere).

[pajerokid]

lean burn = too much air, not enough gas in AF mixture

[Ischaramoochie]

optimal a/f ratios:


DENR Certification:


Emission Tests:




Department of Energy Test Results:


Automotive Research and Testing Center, Taiwan:


Marcos Evaluation:


Delta Motors Corp:


DPWH Testing:


Satisfied Clients:


Written Testimonials:




(MOD NOTE: POSTING OF YOUR TESTIS (TESTIMONIALS) ARE ENOUGH.POSTING BIG PICTURES OF YOU CHAOS...ERR..KHAOS TO ADVERTISE HERE IS A BIG NO NO NO NO.)

[ghosthunter]

optimal a/f ratios:

LOL! The book is so old its yellowed and no mention about fuel injection.

It might be time to buy a new book.

DENR Certification:

This is just a testimonial. It does not prove anything about your device.

Emission Tests:

Where is the results for NOx emissions?

Automotive Research and Testing Center, Taiwan:

Ah! the infamous taiwan test.

Please note that the test was done only once. No before & after testing was done to check if the device actually did anything. Also note that the test results for emissions are at least three times more than the US-EPA standards for acceptable limits for automotive emissions.

Marcos Evaluation:

Yup, and in 1976 too!

I guess thats were the stolen wealth was spent on during the martial law years.

BTW, you might want to note that during 1976, carburated engines are high tech. But in 2005, fuel injection is the standard.

Delta Motors Corp:

Ano ito? High school thesis? Handwritten pa yung "results" graph.

DPWH Testing:

The year: 1997
The car: 1978 Nissan Datsun
The plate number: SAC-246

So in 1997, they tested the device on a 19 year old Nissan/Datsun (carb) government car. LOL! Even a tune-up would get more gains.

Satisfied Clients:
Written Testimonials:

This part reads like it came from "As Seen On TV" segments. Basically using testimonials from non-technically oriented people as "proof" that the device works as claimed.

[Ischaramoochie]

LOL! The book is so old its yellowed and no mention about fuel injection.

It might be time to buy a new book.





This is just a testimonial. It does not prove anything about your device.





Where is the results for NOx emissions?





Ah! the infamous taiwan test.

Please note that the test was done only once. No before & after testing was done to check if the device actually did anything. Also note that the test results for emissions are at least three times more than the US-EPA standards for acceptable limits for automotive emissions.





Yup, and in 1976 too!

I guess thats were the stolen wealth was spent on during the martial law years.

BTW, you might want to note that during 1976, carburated engines are high tech. But in 2005, fuel injection is the standard.





Ano ito? High school thesis? Handwritten pa yung "results" graph.





The year: 1997
The car: 1978 Nissan Datsun
The plate number: SAC-246

So in 1997, they tested the device on a 19 year old Nissan/Datsun (carb) government car. LOL! Even a tune-up would get more gains.





This part reads like it came from "As Seen On TV" segments. Basically using testimonials from non-technically oriented people as "proof" that the device works as claimed.

1. EFI engines are essentially the same as carb engines. the only difference is that carbs use the venturi principle to introduce fuel while EFI engines use MAF sensors to control fuel supply. besides, have the variables changed over time? please offer some proof if that is the case.

2. a testimonial from DENR. are you sying that DENR should not be taken as an authority?


3. as far as i know, US standards for CO and HC are .5%; perhaps you are talking about NOx? even if NOx emission was increased by a fraction, this is more than compensated for by the increase in engine power, lessened CO and HC emissions, and higher fuel efficiency. this just shows that you can't have everything you want. if you want to eliminate pollution completely, i know of one device which can acieve that; it's called a bicycle.

now, do you have anything to present which proves that the device is ineffective, or does not live up to its claims, or are you simply content in making negative comments? don't blame me though, i'm just expecting more from you, seeing that you're a moderator.

[ghosthunter]

1. EFI engines are essentially the same as carb engines. the only difference is that carbs use the venturi principle to introduce fuel while EFI engines use MAF sensors to control fuel supply. besides, have the variables changed over time? please offer some proof if that is the case.

Excuse me, the basic function is the same (to provide roughly the correct ratio of fuel to air to the engine) BUT EFI engines are a bit more sophisticated than that. The efi engine computer will adjust the fuel-air ratio according to load and RPM to provide correct combustion at all times. This includes atmospheric pressure.

Carburated engines can only be tuned for a certain condition. Thats the limitation of a mechanical carburated system.

Your comparison of a carb and efi engine is like comparing a typewriter and a computer.

2. a testimonial from DENR. are you sying that DENR should not be taken as an authority?

Yes. Simply because it is still just a testimonial. There was no mention on how the test was conducted, equiptment used, procedure, test results and control setups to verify data.

3. as far as i know, US standards for CO and HC are .5%; perhaps you are talking about NOx? even if NOx emission was increased by a fraction, this is more than compensated for by the increase in engine power, lessened CO and HC emissions, and higher fuel efficiency. this just shows that you can't have everything you want.

let me refresh your memory...


US EPA Federal Certification Exhaust Emission Standards
for Light Duty Vehicles and Light Duty Trucks
(February 2000)

NMHC: 0.211 g/km
CO: 2.11 g/km
NOx: 0.62 g/km


ARTC Automotive Research & Testing Center (Taiwan)
Report No. B93EG120
Report Date: July 14, 2004
Client: Inventionhaus Internation Corp.
Vehicle: Mitsubishi Freeca 2.0L

NMHC: 1.076 g/km
CO: 7.85 g/km
NOx: 3.04 g/km

So where is your claimed decrease in emissions? Your one & only "scientific" test only proves that your Mitsubishi Freeca does not current pollution standards.

if you want to eliminate pollution completely, i know of one device which can acieve that; it's called a bicycle.

Not true. There is also the electric golf carts, electric scooter and electric jeepney (it was displayed at a DOST exhibit some years back).

BTW, I would just love a device that really eliminates pollution completely. Unfornuately your beloved device INCREASES the pollution that comes out from the car's tail pipe.

BTW2, so you say that the khaos cannot eliminate pollution. So that would also be saying that the Khaos brochure tells a LIE about the ZERO POLLUTION claim.

now, do you have anything to present which proves that the device is ineffective, or does not live up to its claims, or are you simply content in making negative comments?

The burden of proof (that your device works as claimed) lies in your hands, not ours. You have to defend it against critisism of people, not the other way around.

don't blame me though, i'm just expecting more from you, seeing that you're a moderator.

So what if I am a moderator? Does that give you more rights in airing your views than me?

Am I censoring you? yes or no? Mind you, some time back, the other mods have already thought of closing ALL threads relating to such products with similar claims BUT we have kept this particular thread simply for people like you, Vixen and Odee.

I am letting you have your say here. I am not here to hold your trembling hands against people who also have the right to say their thoughts, just like you.

If you expect more from a moderator, I suggest you, Vixen, Odee and Mr. Pablo Planas create a internet discussion forum on your website just to talk about your device.

[Bogeyman]

even if NOx emission was increased by a fraction, this is more than compensated for by the increase in engine power, lessened CO and HC emissions, and higher fuel efficiency. this just shows that you can't have everything you want.

No, this just shows how you value profits over human health and environmental well-being.

I'll tell you what Khaos successfully does, and you don't even need to be an automotive engineer to figure this one out:

The existence of products like Khaos are nothing short of obscene, for they breed a FAR WORSE generation of drivers; the kind who are emboldened with an excuse to get away with anything, since they think that a simple device installed in their engine "saves fuel" and "increases engine performance", no matter what they do on the road. Khaos does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except to encourage these drivers to become reckless, complacent, negligent and irresponsible in looking after their vehicles. These motorists will think nothing of throwing due diligence (and common sense) out the window in favor of the convenience that Khaos practically promises.

Ever hear of the Placebo Effect? That's what's fueling all those testimonials--a false sense of security, brought on by a lack of discipline and a desire for quick answers to everything.

A car is an investment, but not a self-sustaining one. One must be ready to invest time and effort in looking after it, to make sure that it is always running as well as it should. This is why owning a car is not for everyone; only those who are committed to caring for their car are the ones who truly deserve to have one. While it may be tiring, it can also be very fulfilling, with the knowledge that faithful maintenance pays with every kilometer that your car logs in.

Khaos, on the other hand, only serves as a very dangerous shortcut to this maintenance regimen that can potentially harm not only your car, but the environment as well.

If you're willing to settle for the kind of results you have been trumpeting all along, well, I guess Mr. Planas just isn't trying hard enough.