Khaos Super Gas Saver

[ghosthunter]

In the international market it is now called Khaos - Super Gas Saver/Reducer.

so what? its still called Khaos Super Turbo Charger as clearly seen in the website.

http://www.khaos.com.ph/

[Syuryuken]

Khaos - Super Gas Saver/Reducer.

Aba ok pala masabihan nga ang kapitbahay namin para makapaglagay dun sa "KULIGLIG" nya para naman makatipid sa gasolina hehehe.

[mazdamazda]

oh wow... name dropping... speaks for itself...

[Freeman]

oh wow... name dropping... speaks for itself...

Name dropping? I know him, we co-moderate in 4x4ph.

The issue is a moderator is going out of line.

[Freeman]

Guys I have read the entire thread before I posted.

Read my posts nalang, you might have stereotyped me.

Yes, we sell KSTC along with other products. It is not our main line. That is why I need solid proof, more than any of you, to know if it works or not. If proven its a hoax I do not want to get caught in a maelstrom of complaints for so little a profit. I'd rather drop it.

In the meantime the product is moving because of positive word of mouth. But to me and more others that is not enough.

[ghosthunter]

Yes, we sell KSTC

I guess I was wrong.

You aren't PR from inventionhaus... you are a reseller of the product. So much for being "middle ground" and "objective" about this device.

[ghosthunter]

Guys I have read the entire thread before I posted.

Read my posts nalang, you might have stereotyped me.

Yes, we sell KSTC along with other products. It is not our main line. That is why I need solid proof, more than any of you, to know if it works or not. If proven its a hoax I do not want to get caught in a maelstrom of complaints for so little a profit. I'd rather drop it.

so, its still the "bottomline" that is important to you. In this case the bottomline is profits from the product.

In the meantime the product is moving because of positive word of mouth. But to me and more others that is not enough.

In our company, if we do not believe in the product and its claims, we would rather not sell it at all. This is to protect our company's reputation with our clients and to all other people who have known us for a very long time.

[empy]

Yes, we sell KSTC along with other products.

[size=10]AH HA![/size]

just a friendly word of advice - perhaps you should have disclosed this first when you first posted? that way we would have known where you were coming from.

so now, can you blame us for being skeptical of you as an unbiased source?

one more question - pending confirmation of your so-called doubts, have you pulled khaos from your store shelves to avoid ill will with your loyal customers?

of course there's free speech on this forum. just don't get mad or go crying to Otep Rivera if no one agrees with you. Ghosthunter is not censoring or moderating your posts, or otherwise abusing his moderator powers

please do publish your independent tests. even if the impartiality of these tests can be questioned, it's better than what we have now. let the reader decide to believe them or not.

[ghosthunter]

Here's my interpretation of the Khaos device:


The main by-pass control valve (located at the center of the device) should be closed (not let air thru it) for the spring-actuated valve to function.

Theoretically, the spring-actuated valve operates at vaccum pressures to let unmeasured (by the ecu) air into the engine. The engine's intake has enough vacuum pressure during non-WOT (non Wide Open Throttle) operation to open this. At WOT, there should not be enough vacuum pressure so this valve closes so that the engine should be at proper air-fuel ratio as set by it's EFI computer or carb settings.

In reality, the clearances for the spring valve and control valves are not that tight. This would result in more air getting into your engine's intake than should be.

(note: non-WOT intake vacuum pressure is generated by the suction of the engine and the closed or partially closed butterfly throttle valve)



And just for reference:

FRONT


BACK


SPRING (for the spring actuated valve)

[stroker]

dear mr. ghosthunter:
i had a khaos installed on one of my two cars (93' Toyota GLi A/T) about 10 months ago and did experience some gain in kilometrage, i.e., i used to observe an average of 7km/l (city driving) before the device was installed now my car can go up to an average of 12km/l... my observations where, that the engine's power had gained a bit of boost and the exhaust doesn't wreak the smell of gasoline anymore when it is parked in the garage overnight. the installer also instructed me to make daily observations on my temperature gauge to make sure that engine temperature was as it had been before the device was installed, and to immediately bring it to his attention should it overheat, it has remained within normal range ten months after the installation. furthermore, i've recently registered my car and had gone thru the mandatory emmissions testing, the result was 1.04, the passing mark, i believe is 4.5(?). from what i can remember, the guy who installed the device also mentioned the different effects of lean-rich mixtures as well as what is supposed to be in between lean and rich. my question is, how long from now will i get to experience "lean-burn"? i just wanna be sure what to expect and when... tnx.

[Bogeyman]

Freeman, I am aware that you moderate for 4x4ph.com, and quite frankly your association with Khaos is clearly getting in the way of your duties as a moderator. If you cannnot stand the test of scrutiny, you might as well relinquish that position in favor of someone who's more qualified.

And no, this is not a clique. It just so happens that the object of contention requires solid scientific proof that will support the claims and testimonies endorsing its use.

Unfortunately, there is yet to be a single iota of that proof to back up the hoopla. Hence, the resistance that you see here. This is not merely for your benefit, or odee's or vixen's or ischaramoochie's. This is a challenge to Pablo Planas' so-called 30 years of research, and his credibility overall as an inventor.

[Freeman]

And no, this is not a clique. It just so happens that the object of contention requires solid scientific proof that will support the claims and testimonies endorsing its use.

Unfortunately, there is yet to be a single iota of that proof to back up the hoopla. Hence, the resistance that you see here. This is not merely for your benefit, or odee's or vixen's or ischaramoochie's. This is a challenge to Pablo Planas' so-called 30 years of research, and his credibility overall as an inventor.

Exactly! So tell the others to refrain from insults and branding.

Is that not what I am also saying?

I'm here to say WHOA! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION. Our opinions still remain opinions. That is all.

So lets try to keep the discussion in a higher level of intelligence. I am not here to rechange anyone's thinking. I am willing to play the role of the devils advocate to keep things lively, iand intersting but mostly objective.

[ghosthunter]

I'm here to say WHOA! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION. Our opinions still remain opinions. That is all.

Here's the facts:
1. This thread has arrived to page 53.
2. This thread has seen four people supporting the khaos device, not counting the number of fake members who have tried to deceive us that they are happy users of the device.
3. All four people are either selling the device or part of the marketing of it.
4. All four people has not presented solid proof that the device works as claimed inspite of repeated requests for proper data.
5. Of the data (from inventionhaus) that has been presented, it proves that the device has not met US-EPA emissions limits.
6. An increasing number of reports that the device doesn't work at all, loss of power or serious damage to the engine.


I think its more than enough to conclude something here.

[Bogeyman]

Exactly! So tell the others to refrain from insults and branding.

Noted. I'm no mod, but just a friendly reminder, guys: let's go easy on the name-calling.

Is that not what I am also saying?

I'm here to say WHOA! THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION. Our opinions still remain opinions. That is all.

So lets try to keep the discussion in a higher level of intelligence. I am not here to rechange anyone's thinking. I am willing to play the role of the devils advocate to keep things lively, iand intersting but mostly objective.

*sigh*

Your profess to being skeptical yourself about the veracity of Khaos, yet your daily business includes selling the same product to other motorists out there. Can you honestly blame many here who continue to question your intentions?

[ghosthunter]

Freeman, I am aware that you moderate for 4x4ph.com, and quite frankly your association with Khaos is clearly getting in the way of your duties as a moderator. If you cannnot stand the test of scrutiny, you might as well relinquish that position in favor of someone who's more qualified.

oh my gwad! It's a challenge!

[BlueBimmer]

hot damn i certainly wont allow u to kiss my ass! no thank u!

and sori im not at par with ur intelligence cos of my juvenile responses, seeing our age difference. but at least im not screwing anyone over. tsk tsk

[BlueBimmer]

isnt it ur selling KSTC? yes or no?

[rlp1099]

Freeman,

Sir, I admire your good intentions...but as the saying goes the road to hell is .....

Yes really are in the middle ground...the product is in your store and you'll make sales from it even if you don't believe the product works 100%

What would happen if I was at your store or any consumer for that matter and knowing all you do at this point, would you let me buy the product?

You're covering all bases just to make sure. Sometimes things are black and white pure and simple. I believe this is one of them. Let's call a spade a spade

How can I say this you might ask...well to put it simply

mga dudes papunta pa lang kayo pa uwi na ko

Personally, this device will go the way of shawarma and Zagu or Rice in A box

It will never be mami and siopao of Ma Mun Luk

[BlueBimmer]

yup he sells them alright, o wel case closed for me re his stance.

[Freeman]

Look at it this way. I have more to lose than any of you here. It is I that needs the answers. I'm not here to sell.

At worst you could have bought one or 2 Khaos and set yourself back PHP 6,500 to PHP 13,000. If that thing is indeed a hoax, we may be liable for a refund to hundreds of customers. Question is will Inventionhaus refund their dealers?

To date there is no hard evidence to say Khaos does not work, nor the other way around.

Case closed? Sheesh! I am your most credible source for first hand info on Khaos. Most of the comments here are third-party. Useless.