Khaos Super Gas Saver

[Freeman]

Until you come up with more than a photo of a glass encased Khaos on faux fur and loose arguments. I bid you all goodbye.

Thank you.

[ghosthunter]

I bid you all goodbye.

Thank you.

good riddance

[Freeman]

good riddance

Not so fast!

I moderate in another forum and we moderators do not give our posters shabby treatment like this. Paging : Otep Rivera

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

[ghosthunter]

Not so fast!

LOL! first you were bidding goodbye then suddenly you have a change of heart?

I moderate in another forum and we moderators do not give our posters shabby treatment like this. Paging : Otep Rivera

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

unfortunately (for you) we have had more than our share of ignorant PR people, fake members who pose as car enthusiats but who are actually are the PR people themselves and unanswered requests of proper supporting data from real members.

I suggest you read the entire thread to know why we have our current opinion for this particular product.

[the_wildthing]

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

Hey man, I'm just sharing my view. You can call it resistance or disagreement.

There is no clique. I've had disagreements with others before...

[BlueBimmer]

Not so fast!

Why the resistance, and from so many now.

Is this a clique' where all should agree or a discussion forum where we are free to disagree?

i just dont like seeing people getting screwed over products that clearly does not work. especially one that costs 6.5k that is composed of a tube, hoses and a mesh filter.

[BlueBimmer]

fyi sir those photos are not for u, these are just to show the stall i was talking about n if ur as educated as u say u r then please click back a few pages and read my posts with ischaramoochie. but if u want e di angkinin mo na.

n wag naman po kayo pikon, post nlang kau ng photos of PROOFS about ur device and i might even praise u.

[ILuvDetailing]

Then why not do a real world test? A before and after, a simple test on a 2000 model and up car (EFI) to prove us all wrong. Maybe we could start testing it on your car.

Why the skepticism? Almost all the posters who reacted against the KTSC have an automotive background (this is an AUTOMOTIVE forum for car enthusiasts), gets? Thats why they want scientific answers not vague explanations, now if your in the middle ground that you claim to be why are you defending Mr. Planas? Why not do the right thing and test your beloved device, thats what automotive industry does with all their products, test... test... test..., don't blame the people here you don't believe in your product, money is hard to come by these days, they want to spend it wisely.

[Bogeyman]

P6,500 is a stratospheric amount to spend on one object, especially on something as non-essential as Khaos. People can just as well spend that amount investing on safety accessories, regular maintenance or even food.

P6,500 for an automotive placebo effect, anyone?

[ILuvDetailing]

mga 6 na change oil yan

[BlueBimmer]

panu kasi kunwaring middle ground daw e hataw naman sa planas asskissing tsk tsk

[Freeman]

panu kasi kunwaring middle ground daw e hataw naman sa planas asskissing tsk tsk

Now iIm a Planas ass kisser. Is it because I wont kiss yours?

Come on!? Stop throwing objectivity out of the window with your juvenile responses. Lets talk facts :

Fact 1 : 15: 1 A/F ratio is NOT LEAN. Reference - The Double A : Book of the Car. Compiled from works of 37 contributing writers such as A. Baker BSc(Eng) FIMechE. ACGI, Donald Bastow BSc(Eng). CEng., Dr, Stephen Black MRCS, MRCP etc. I will quote from P. 60, the chapter on Petrol - What it has to do. "The correct ratio of air and petrol for good combustion is approximately 15 parts of air to 1 part of petrol by weight. This allows complete combustion with minimum waste, but it may be weakened to 16:1 for economical steady speed cruising."

The operating word here is approximately. Is not 14.7 approximately 15? In other books I've read, the stoichiometric ratio is sometimes 14.6. So to say that Khaos makes an engine burn lean is baseless.

The question should be for you naysayers is does the Khaos device actually regulate 15:1 a/f ratio? If so how?

There I have armed you with a more potent weapon. Only Planas can answer that.

Fact 2 : I will say it again and I never said otherwise - Khaos documents are inconcusive hence inadequate, the same with your claims and references that it does not work.

Damn right this is middle ground! This is my side! Your welcome to stay where you are. I do not mind being alone here. Heck this is the moderates stance!

[the_wildthing]

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Come on!? Stop throwing objectivity out of the window with your juvenile responses. Lets talk facts :

Fact 1 : 15: 1 A/F ratio is NOT LEAN. Reference - The Double A : Book of the Car. Compiled from works of 37 contributing writers such as A. Baker BSc(Eng) FIMechE. ACGI, Donald Bastow BSc(Eng). CEng., Dr, Stephen Black MRCS, MRCP etc. I will quote from P. 60, the chapter on Petrol - What it has to do. "The correct ratio of air and petrol for good combustion is approximately 15 parts of air to 1 part of petrol by weight. This allows complete combustion with minimum waste, but it may be weakened to 16:1 for economical steady speed cruising."

The operating word here is approximately. Is not 14.7 approximately 15? In other books I've read, the stoichiometric ratio is sometimes 14.6. So to say that Khaos makes an engine burn lean is baseless.

The question should be for you naysayers is does the Khaos device actually regulate 15:1 a/f ratio? If so how?

There I have armed you with a more potent weapon. Only Planas can answer that.

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I can't find the thread that explains this at length...

[ghosthunter]

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Come on!? Stop throwing objectivity out of the window with your juvenile responses. Lets talk facts :

Fact 1 : 15: 1 A/F ratio is NOT LEAN. Reference - The Double A : Book of the Car. Compiled from works of 37 contributing writers such as A. Baker BSc(Eng) FIMechE. ACGI, Donald Bastow BSc(Eng). CEng., Dr, Stephen Black MRCS, MRCP etc. I will quote from P. 60, the chapter on Petrol - What it has to do. "The correct ratio of air and petrol for good combustion is approximately 15 parts of air to 1 part of petrol by weight. This allows complete combustion with minimum waste, but it may be weakened to 16:1 for economical steady speed cruising."

The operating word here is approximately. Is not 14.7 approximately 15? In other books I've read, the stoichiometric ratio is sometimes 14.6. So to say that Khaos makes an engine burn lean is baseless.

The question should be for you naysayers is does the Khaos device actually regulate 15:1 a/f ratio? If so how?

There I have armed you with a more potent weapon. Only Planas can answer that.

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I can't find the thread that explains this at length...

I dont have the thread either but some thinking I have deduced the working mechanism of the Khaos device.

The knobs on the device is to tune it for a specific car. This would be connected to a spring-actuated valve. The valve is set to open/close on a certain vacuum pressure coming from the engine's air intake. The spring rate is critical in where the device should be fully open to let air in when vacuum is high (example: 20psi vacuum) and fully closed when vacuum pressure reads zero. The spring actuated valve should be partly open between 0-20psi vacuum pressure. Add a dish scrubbing pad to act as air filter to minimize dirt from entering the engine's internals thru the device.

This is why you can see pictures of Mr. Pablo Planas holding a vacuum guage during a demo of the device to some peeps from the press.

Nothing so mysterious & secret about the Khaos Super Duper Turbo Charger device. :twak:

[mazdamazda]

Add a dish scrubbing pad to act as air filter to minimize dirt from entering the engine's internals thru the device.

can you believe it? instead of installing a proper air filter / breather (which will cost only P500) they installed a foam? filter they say? first time i heard of a filter that can be cleaned by soap & water (and also without adding the "holding" oil)

i wonder how much gunk & dirt gets sucked into your engine everytime the KSTC lets in unmetered air.

and this is a P6500 device!!! dont' tell me the rest of the cost is spent on "R&D"

[luckytruck]

yung PR/Advertising strategy ng Khaos ay parang tumatabo ng politics. sidestep lang sa mga educated questions/ request for concrete 3rd party test. hanap lang ng gullible na pwedeng madala sa billboards and testimonials.

if they are so confident in their product, then they should sent it to the US or EU for independent accreditation.

and who in the world has heard of a cell phone stall selling an automotive product? that's just ridiculous.

andy

[BlueBimmer]

and look at that brochure..MONSTER POWER!!! this product is the shiznit!! dragracers buy 1 quick!!!! hmm maybe i oughta buy 1..then i could keep up with a 325i or even an ///M car! wakekekeke

[ILuvDetailing]

Funny thing is that the proof they have is from an old automotive book, and taiwan tests, ek ek.... Why not test in the Philippines? In our road conditions, traffic, etc. that would be more credible if they indeed want to backup their claim of up to 25% fuel savings.

The product name is indeed misleading. "SUPER TURBO Charger"? AFAIK a Super Charger and a Turbo Charger are different. but thats already been discussed.

[Freeman]

Funny thing is that the proof they have is from an old automotive book, and taiwan tests, ek ek.... Why not test in the Philippines? In our road conditions, traffic, etc. that would be more credible if they indeed want to backup their claim of up to 25% fuel savings.

The product name is indeed misleading. "SUPER TURBO Charger"? AFAIK a Super Charger and a Turbo Charger are different. but thats already been discussed.

Agree. Dumb marketing move to call it such. I do not know if it was intended to mislead. In the international market it is now called Khaos - Super Gas Saver/Reducer.

[ghosthunter]

Agree. Dumb marketing move to call it such. I do not know if it was intended to mislead. In the international market it is now called Khaos - Super Gas Saver/Reducer.

Ufortunately we are talking about the product as it is being marketed locally, which is Khaos Super Turbo Charger.

This kind of product labeling/naming just more marketing hype. Other examples of similarly named products:

-Turbo Zet
-Turbo Swirly
-Turbo Flo
-Turbo Shield
-Turbo Fuel Mizer