Khaos Super Gas Saver

[Freeman]

15,000 units
80 dealers
6 months of operation

Thats about 1 unit per day per dealer.

Have you thought of the overhead when you claimed that figure?

Thats ONE unit Khaos device costing P6,500.00 will pay for the ff:
-salary of the dealer
-salary of the mechanic/installer
-rent of the location
-logistics of distribution (delivery van, etc)
-advertising percentage
-advertising material (brochures, etc)
-percentage cut of the investor
-materials cost
-manufacturing cost
-hoses and fittings
-electricity
-phone

I wouldn't be surprised if the manufactured cost of the device is just P250 to P500 per piece. The remaining balance is gross profit.

Now why are you getting into the subject of profitability? Your post here does nothing to dispell my claim that over 15,000 units have been sold since late 2003. Spend a day in Inventionhaus and you'll know what I mean.

[ghosthunter]

Now why are you getting into the subject of profitability? Your post here does nothing to dispell my claim that over 15,000 units have been sold since late 2003. Spend a day in Inventionhaus and you'll know what I mean.

Ah! First you claim NOT to be linked to Inventionhaus then here it your statement seemingly contradicting your initial claim.

So the PR people list grows:
1. Odee
2. Vixen
3. whatever-moochie
4. Freeman

BTW, items being transported from the head office to outlets does NOT mean its sold. It just means its at the outlet. Spend a few years selling items to supermarkets and department stores and you'll know what I mean.

[Freeman]

Ah! First you claim NOT to be linked to Inventionhaus then here it your statement seemingly contradicting your initial claim.

So the PR people list grows:
1. Odee
2. Vixen
3. whatever-moochie
4. Freeman

BTW, items being transported from the head office to outlets does NOT mean its sold. It just means its at the outlet. Spend a few years selling items to supermarkets and department stores and you'll know what I mean.

Obviously anyone who has something good to say about Khaos automatically becomes Khaos PR personnel. So what does that make you? I am sorry if there is a minority in this forum that does not share your thoughts and convictions. You'll just have to live with it because that is what a discussion board is all about. I have written neither good nor bad about Khaos. What I brought to this thread is a sober assessment of what has been presented here by many. And that is DOUBT, doubt that it works, and doubt that it does not work.

Review my posts - what I have written from my first post here is that no one has solid proof to PROVE or DISPROVE the Khaos device. Khaos' documents are all inadequate. The critics/skeptics can only go by tests of other gadgets they believe is similar to Khaos. Let them test the actual Khaos device before they dismiss it as a hoax/scam/miracle etc.

I find your logic very amusing. But I will leave that for the other readers of this thread to judge.

Khaos distribution and retail system differs from the supermarket and mall system. Most of the Khaos dealers usually purchase small amounts of 10 to 20 units per week. They turn them all over and purchase another small batch the folowing week. They are not forced to stock and purchase heaps of product. Please try not to force something you are unfamiliar with into your sphere of knowledge and familiarity. It is a big world out here, not all are boxed within the confines of the corporate or supermarket world.

[Karding]

Ito pala ang una kong mod sa S13 ko eh :jump:

elib na ko talaga dito kay ghosthunter, he can even hunt idiots

[kiper]

Karding..ako na ba magpapadala sayo jan sa US?

[Karding]

kips, yeah please? Dagdagan mo na din para maipamahagi natin sa mga kabayan dito

[BlueBimmer]

dati pa pala hindi na talaga ok yan..o wel its always bout the money eh?

[zechs]

1000 different types of vehicles? hmm..thats a long list. i cant even name past a hundred. hahaha

15000 units sold, but yeah, how many are really working? based on the last 3 pages of this thread, 5 na ang hindi nagwowork..how many are there like these?

80 dealers nationwide, siguro karamihan sa probinsiya..yung mga walang magcriticize ng product nila..kawawa naman yung mga consumers doon.

5 international distributors? name the country and the company distributing it, para ma-verify namin

[Freeman]

15000 units sold, but yeah, how many are really working? based on the last 3 pages of this thread, 5 na ang hindi nagwowork..how many are there like these?

80 dealers nationwide, siguro karamihan sa probinsiya..yung mga walang magcriticize ng product nila..kawawa naman yung mga consumers doon.

5 international distributors? name the country and the company distributing it, para ma-verify namin

That is what I too want to know. I would like to see hard scientific evidence to back up their claims and numerous testimonials. At this point no one can really prove or disprove Khaos. It can't be proven here, we can all discuss, insult, rant, rave and argue until oblivion. Unless Khaos or a consumer rights group employs a competent third party to evaluate this product thoroughly, Khaos will remain a question mark.

Please refer to Khaos recent full page advertisement in the Philippine Star dated January 16, 2005 - main section. All local and international dealers and distributors are listed with their respective contact details and contact person.

International Distributors and their phone nos. and email (if listed) :

1. Brisbane Queensland, Australia - Call +614 240 69640, Rollen_nolasco*ozemail.com.au
2. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - +966 947 5037
3. Jakarta, Indonesia - +21 260 1667, yiodaw*yahoo.com
4. Spain - +343 866 2707
5. Saipan - + 670 234 8264

[ghosthunter]

That is what I too want to know. I would like to see hard scientific evidence to back up their claims and numerous testimonials. At this point no one can really prove or disprove Khaos. It can't be proven here, we can all discuss, insult, rant, rave and argue until oblivion. Unless Khaos or a consumer rights group employs a competent third party to evaluate this product thoroughly, Khaos will remain a question mark.

The fact that Inventionhaus' much mentioned Taiwan testing figures shows a FAILING score for all tests (CO, NOx, hydrocarbons) when compared to US-EPA Federal standards should be more than enough to prove that Khaos device does NOT work as claimed.

"Reducing vehicle's emissions by almost 99%" is stated in the Khaos sales brochure but the taiwan test shows emissions of at least three (3) times more than the ACCEPTED LIMIT.

The reason why we have "standards" is so we can grade something if it will fail or pass, correct?

[Bogeyman]

It's called bluffing, a classic PR tactic, attempting to silence potential challengers. Beyond the "oooohs" and "aaaahs" of 15,000 gullible Filipinos, I'd say the Inventionhaus portfolio is nothing but air being brought down consumer's throats, the way Khaos brings more air into your engine. Don't agree? Then what we're asking is fairly simple: PROVE IT.

IMO, there's nothing much that can be done anymore as far as fossil fuels are concerned. There's no denying that it's a finite resource. Products like Khaos are just delaying the obviously inevitable.

Maybe Planas would have been applauded if he just devoted the last 30 years to developing alternative fuel sources, which will eventually free us from depending on petroleum products.

Instead, his product and others like it deserve a most fitting label: Caveat Emptor

[Freeman]

It's called bluffing, a classic PR tactic, attempting to silence potential challengers. Beyond the "oooohs" and "aaaahs" of 15,000 gullible Filipinos, I'd say the Inventionhaus portfolio is nothing but air being brought down consumer's throats, the way Khaos brings more air into your engine. Don't agree? Then what we're asking is fairly simple: PROVE IT.

IMO, there's nothing much that can be done anymore as far as fossil fuels are concerned. There's no denying that it's a finite resource. Products like Khaos are just delaying the obviously inevitable.

Maybe Planas would have been applauded if he just devoted the last 30 years to developing alternative fuel sources, which will eventually free us from depending on petroleum products.

Instead, his product and others like it deserve a most fitting label: Caveat Emptor

I am not bluffing. I am stating facts. I am not a marketing professional, nor was I trained to be one. Like all of you I am just giving my inputs as I know them. There are at least 15,000 people who bought Khaos. How many of them are happy with Khaos? I do not know. Who were duped? Who were suckered? So far I only know of 5.

As in all purchases, buyers bear the risk. However, the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

[Bogeyman]

Who were duped? Who were suckered? So far I only know of 5.

I know of at least 80. Go figure, these are the various dealerships/distributors who were enticed by the prospect of instant profits arising from a boom for this kind of device. Unfortunately, they also stand to bear the brunt of consumer complaints when the time comes, while Planas and his cohorts laugh all the way to the bank--and beyond.

the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

After you make the necessary fuss at their balking and showing them that you're immune to their sales talk. Hopefully it never gets to the point where someone has to lose life or limb before getting his/her money back.

Mr. Planas, now in his 70's, labored for 3 decades to finally find success and comfort in life

In light of all that hard work, I'm all for the man succeeding in his lifetime. But I hope he does not attain that success at the expense of other people's intelligence.

[Freeman]

I know of at least 80. Go figure, these are the various dealerships/distributors who were enticed by the prospect of instant profits arising from a boom for this kind of device. Unfortunately, they also stand to bear the brunt of consumer complaints, while Planas and his cohorts laugh all the way to the bank.



After you make the necessary fuss at their balking and showing them that you're immune to their sales talk. Hopefully it never gets to the point where someone has to lose life or limb before getting his/her money back.



I'm all for the man succeeding his lifetime, but certainly not at the expense of other people's intelligence.

Lets try to be objective and less philosophical. But yes, once Khaos is proven a dud there'll be a heap more than 80 who will belong to the P.T. Barnum adage.

I wish I could take your line of thinking and judge it based on what was laid on the table and put this issue to rest. But no it is still not enough, there is still reasonable doubt. I am reserving judgement till I see the hard data I was talking about. I heard an unconfirmed report that a thorough evaluation is underway in another country very soon. If true, I will strive to get the results and relay it regardless of verdict.

In the meantime let us all brace ourselves for an impending fuel price hike.

[ghosthunter]

Lets try to be objective and less philosophical.

Er...., the tsikot.com people here (from day-one) have been asking for proper proof, data and tests that khaos works as claimed. All we got from them are half-baked tests worth nothing, testimonials from god-knows-who-they-are and more advertising lines.

But yes, once Khaos is proven a dud there'll be a heap more than 80 who will belong to the P.T. Barnum adage.

I think Inventionhaus' taiwan test vs US EPA Federal Standards is more than enough to prove that its a dud, bud.

I wish I could take your line of thinking and judge it based on what was laid on the table and put this issue to rest.

thats just because you might be just another one in the long line starting from Odee, then Vixen, then whats-his-name-moochie...

But no it is still not enough, there is still reasonable doubt.

god! if all the people think like you, they wold still believe that the world is flat!

I am reserving judgement till I see the hard data I was talking about.

Ahem! Does the infamous Taiwan test ring a bell?

I heard an unconfirmed report that a thorough evaluation is underway in another country very soon.

let me guess,.... India?

If true, I will strive to get the results and relay it regardless of verdict.

I am not holding my breath....

[ghosthunter]

As in all purchases, buyers bear the risk. However, the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

I think the only reason why inventionhaus would return your money is because it was legally threatened. Otherwise they would be giving you the long walk.

[ghosthunter]

I am not bluffing. I am stating facts.

what facts? where are the supporting proper documentation that the device works as claimed?

I am not a marketing professional, nor was I trained to be one.

you could have fooled me.

Like all of you I am just giving my inputs as I know them.

uh-huh...., just like odee, vixen and what's-his-name-moochie.

There are at least 15,000 people who bought Khaos.

do you have the supporting documentation for this statement or are you just pulling "facts" out of thin air?

How many of them are happy with Khaos? I do not know. Who were duped? Who were suckered? So far I only know of 5.

five people we know even without trying to find them. How many more if we actively searched them out?

btw, is this an example of selective memory?

As in all purchases, buyers bear the risk.

...especially with PR people like Vixen.

However, the manufacturer of Khaos has a money back policy - it aint refined nor quick. But they will eventually give your money back.

duh!... they'll give you back your hard earned money after they have wasted a full day, a lot of gasoline and your precious time thru their so-called verification test.

[Freeman]

Where is your documentation to say otherwise that there are less than 15,000 chaos units sold? Is it so hard to believe that a local product can sell so much?

I am not a marketing professional period. My formal training was in computer programming. Do not be so easily fooled.

Do not discredit me by putting me in the league of Vixen and company. Just because I do not agree with you should not mean I am biased or in alliance with them. Review my posts and see where I am coming from.

I believe it is the other way around, it is you who are being the skeptic. You remain adamant on judgement based only on what you have read and heard. Have you had first-hand account?

For Inventionhaus to claim 99 percent reduction in emmision is downright irresponsible. Near impossible! But, if it reduces emmissions significantly then there is something to it. In this light, the Taiwan test is inconclusive because we do not know exactly what level of emissions the engine was registering before the Khaos device was fitted? For all we know the readings could have been 100, 200, or 400 times more before Khaos was fitted.

India. So what if it were actually done in India? It is a highly industrialized nation with a unique culture. I hope you are not implying that nothing good can come out from India if it were evaluated there.

You need not hold your breath. There is something else that needs to be held back. But I will leave that to your discretion.

[ghosthunter]

Where is your documentation to say otherwise that there are less than 15,000 chaos units sold? Is it so hard to believe that a local product can sell so much?

Its not for me to prove otherwise. Its your claim of such a high number, prove it or its jsut another "fact" from thin air.

I am not a marketing professional period. My formal training was in computer programming. Do not be so easily fooled.

My formal training was in mechanical engineering.

So what does your statement supposed to prove?

Do not discredit me by putting me in the league of Vixen and company. Just because I do not agree with you should not mean I am biased or in alliance with them. Review my posts and see where I am coming from.

you claim to be coming from the middle ground but you are seemingly biased to one "particular" side. Re-read your own posts and see what I am refering to.

I believe it is the other way around, it is you who are being the skeptic.

So? I have proven engineering principles and experience as my background. Whats your's Mr. Computer Programmer?

You remain adamant on judgement based only on what you have read and heard. Have you had first-hand account?

Oh yes, I have more than simply tinkered with my cars since 1992. This includes adjusting air-fuel ratios, etc. to gain either performance or fuel economy.

How about you?

For Inventionhaus to claim 99 percent reduction in emmision is downright irresponsible. Near impossible! But, if it reduces emmissions significantly then there is something to it.

It is still a flat out lie. If it kills you, you are still dead.

In this light, the Taiwan test is inconclusive because we do not know exactly what level of emissions the engine was registering before the Khaos device was fitted? For all we know the readings could have been 100, 200, or 400 times more before Khaos was fitted.

so what?... Inventionhaus is trumpeting this test as the answer to all technical questions. The fact is, the numbers are still very much OVER and BEYOND the US-EPA Federal limits for emissions.

India. So what if it were actually done in India? It is a highly industrialized nation with a unique culture. I hope you are not implying that nothing good can come out from India if it were evaluated there.

If you wanna know... There are only 3 places in India who have the equiptment for testing in india. All of them are privately owned by large industrial companies for their own private use (one of them being a heavy construction machineries). That is what. (Reference: Pop Sci magazine 2004)

[mazdamazda]

There are at least 15,000 people who bought Khaos.

the same people who bought: