Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[mantoy]

aba meron na palang Autogas ang shell. so kung saka-sakali pwedeng magpa-refill in any shell station?

[orly_andico]

according to shell's FAQ, the gas consumption will be 10% to 15% higher due to the lower energy content of LPG. also according to shell, it's 25% cheaper (if gasoline reaches 40 pesos per liter, autogas should be 30 per liter).

since i'm consuming around 80L/month of gasoline (3200 * 40/L), that would be ~90L of autogas (2700), a savings of 500 pesos a month. i don't know how much the conversion costs but shell claims, 18000 pesos. So it would take roughly 3 years to recover the cost. at least, cleaner-burning, less engine wear, etc.

[ghosthunter]

according to shell's FAQ, the gas consumption will be 10% to 15% higher due to the lower energy content of LPG. also according to shell, it's 25% cheaper (if gasoline reaches 40 pesos per liter, autogas should be 30 per liter).

since i'm consuming around 80L/month of gasoline (3200 * 40/L), that would be ~90L of autogas (2700), a savings of 500 pesos a month. i don't know how much the conversion costs but shell claims, 18000 pesos. So it would take roughly 3 years to recover the cost. at least, cleaner-burning, less engine wear, etc.

Given your computation of 25% savings by using LGP over gasoline... I consume about P6000 of gasoline a month. At that rate, I should recover the cost of the LPG kit in about 1.7 years.

And that assumes the gasoline price stays at P40/L during that 1.7 years.

[orly_andico]

Given your computation of 25% savings by using LGP over gasoline... I consume about P6000 of gasoline a month. At that rate, I should recover the cost of the LPG kit in about 1.7 years.

And that assumes the gasoline price stays at P40/L during that 1.7 years.

gh,

the amount of savings will go up as prices go up. assuming the price differential remains the same at 25%.

please, could you post the pricing info etc. once you get it from mr. angeles? i also emailed him but no reply so far. i think this is something of interest to all of us here.

not to mention your car runs cleaner, quieter, and with increased maintenance service intervals. but the cost savings isn't that great (although it's still appreciable).

[mbt]

if im not mistaken, mileage per liter is worse with LPG, but mileage per peso is better.

identical lang ba yung performance and everything of LPG with gasoline?

for fleets lang yung shell LPG diba? yung petron meron na rin ata niyan, for fleet use.

[ghosthunter]

if im not mistaken, mileage per liter is worse with LPG, but mileage per peso is better.

identical lang ba yung performance and everything of LPG with gasoline?

as mentioned by Ryan, LPG's fuel milage is lower than gasoline but it is still cheaper if computed pesos/kilometer.

He also mentioned that the car's performance will be identical and the driver will not know the difference if based on the car's performance.

[red888]

mga sir, do you need to use another kind of motor oil,when using LPG in your engine ?

[Mile2]

mga sir, do you need to use another kind of motor oil,when using LPG in your engine ?

Normal oil (mineral) and spark plugs (copper) is sufficient.

[ghosthunter]

mga sir, do you need to use another kind of motor oil,when using LPG in your engine ?

The usual motor oil would do just fine.

As for spark plugs, it depends. Some users are fine with their regular sparkplugs. Others use one step "colder" sparkplugs. And there are other people who use platinum sparkplugs for their longer lasting tips.

[scorpion255]

hope the guru's here could help me, i had my avanza converted to sgi kit at greenfuel 2 yrs ago,it went there last monday for its calibration and will return to greenfuel, waiting for the chief mechanic because the mechanic on duty cannot fix the "kumakadyot" while using lpg. it also happens that my avanza is experiencing overheating problems. I have replaced the radiator cap, took out the thermostat, cleaned the radiator, and check the other one related also to overheating but it is still ok. My avanza will be 4yrs old in nov this yr, so i'm wondering how could this be happening, my suspicion right now could be the lpg kit which is connected to the radiator as well. Hope someone could give me an idea on what to do while waiting for the chief mechanic of greenfuel. the people whom i know is no longer with greenfuel like mike lim and lorna. Thanks in advance!

[ghosthunter]

I just got off the phone with Ryan Angeles. The price is P30K for the conversion kit.

included with the kit:
lpg evaporator
60L lpg tank to be fitted in the trunk.
fuel guage adapter to show the current fuel level (LPG or gasoline).
euro style interior switches (for the elegant touch )
etc.

The LPG refilling point on the car will be fitted beside the gasoline cap. This means it will use a special valve to refill the LPG tank. Current LPG refill stations were mentioned by Ryan and additional LPG refilling stations are planned. Currently only selected Petron stations have the capacity to refill but Shell will be doing this by end of the year too.

[theveed]

libre nga ba? buti nacontact mo :D

[Pro Staff]

kahit saang kotse ba pwede yan? i'm planning to install one in my vios kapag tapos na un warranty.

[ghosthunter]

kahit saang kotse ba pwede yan? i'm planning to install one in my vios kapag tapos na un warranty.

the LPG conversion kits are applicable for any gasoline fed car... carb or efi.

[ghosthunter]

unfortunately they already have the Corolla they were looking for the exhibit.

[orly_andico]

30k is kinda steep though... :P

i guess if you commute from cavite or laguna to manila everyday, or from bulacan to manila, it would be worth it. but for us 5000-ish a month gasoline bills, medyo matagal ang recovery period.

[Cobalt Blue]

There is one in Pioneer Near Shaw Boulevard You Wont Miss it has a huge sign. I suggest not to have it converted it shortens the life span of the engine and it will wear the fuel lines faster.

[ghosthunter]

There is one in Pioneer Near Shaw Boulevard You Wont Miss it has a huge sign. I suggest not to have it converted it shortens the life span of the engine and it will wear the fuel lines faster.

how do you know it shortens the lifespan of an engine?.. Given the oldest NAIADSS installed kit is less than a year old...

[niky]

I've been calculating it myself... I'd need to drive at least 50,000 kilometers to break even with the EFI kit, and just a little less to break even with the carb kit (considering I may not be able to tune the carburated kit for optimum mileage). This is probably a process best reserved for rental units and delivery vans, for me. I can't justify the costs, even for our newest car, because by the time I break even, the car will be 100,000 kilometers old!

Then I started, for fun, to calculate costs and savings for a variety of things, including car-buying. And you know what? You have to drive a very loooong way in a CRDi to make back the extra money you spend for one over the gas version of the vehicle.

And that's even taking resale value into account.

Anyway, if I ever get the jack to repair the 626, since it's already a loss to repair (total repairs = 25% of total value), I might as well look at converting it into an LPG car for my brother and sister to use. At least they won't take the brunt of the cost of fuel.

[userfriendly]

Like carwise said, it only makes sense for a modern small engine 1.6 or smaller, fuel efficent car if you really drive a lot. Ala taxi kung baga. But for big gas guzzlers like mine it does make sense. I get around 5km/l city driving and I need to use 95 octane so converting makes sense for me. If I use Korean system, I'll recoup my outlay in about 10,000 kms or 1 year driving. If I use the Euro system it will be a little over 2 years or 20,000+ kms.
Hopefully I can find a system that is in between the two. Newer technology but at a more reasonable price.