Hyundai Grand Starex vs. Toyota Super Grandia

**weisshorn** · December 29th, 2009 10:49 AM

My vote is for GS. Despensa na po sa mga SG owner.

Isang rason na ayaw ko sa SG ay ang placement ng makina.
Hindi ko po talaga gusto ang nasa ilalim ng upuan ang makina, pag humina ang aircon ayon may instant heater ang cabin.

Mahirap magtrabaho/access ang makina, visual monitoring/inspection/repair ay hindi convenient. Mas madali mag-inspect ng makina sa GS.

Hindi ko type ang boxy design ng SG feeling mini bus ang dating sa akin.

Super ang lamang ng power ng GS compared to SG.

Cheers po, free personal opinion ko lang.. "Advance Happy New Year To All"

**scharnhorst** · December 29th, 2009 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by kjcc0012

HAHA! gUYS. Tanggapin na natin na kapag diesel Engines, mas maganda na ang koreans. Ang mga Hyundai/Kia/ adopted the BOSCH CRDI Technology ng Germany na unang nagdevelop ng CRDI kia mas maganda EUROPEAN Engineered eh. And Toyota/Mitsubishi DENSO CRDI Technology ng Japan.

Well, you haven't seen the Japanese/American/European diesels OUTSIDE the Philippines.

If you're doubting the japanese diesel engines, look at the YDDTi on the Nissan Navara. 174 hp. on a 2.5 liter displacement.

on par with the 152 hp output of the 2.2 liter sta. fe

**Eriche** · December 29th, 2009 09:37 PM

are hyundai grand starex imported?or just made here in the philippines like mitsubishi? are both of them have a baggage space for 12 seater GS?

**eggman** · December 29th, 2009 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Eriche

are hyundai grand starex imported?or just made here in the philippines like mitsubishi? are both of them have a baggage space for 12 seater GS?

Walang planta rito ang Hyundai kahit ang distributor nito ay yun ring sa Nissan-UMC...

Maganda talaga ang Grand Starex..As a satisfied Grand Starex Gold and TCI GL M/T owner eh sulit talaga sya..

Hyundai i800 pala ang pangalan nya sa Europe ng GS..Maganda ang ratings at reviews sa kanya.

**Eriche** · December 29th, 2009 09:50 PM

i just read that hyundai launch new version of grand strarex royale...is there posible hyundai would launch GS royale here the philippines?

**Eriche** · December 29th, 2009 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by eggman

Walang planta rito ang Hyundai kahit ang distributor nito ay yun ring sa Nissan-UMC...

Maganda talaga ang Grand Starex..As a satisfied Grand Starex Gold and TCI GL M/T owner eh sulit talaga sya..

Hyundai i800 pala ang pangalan nya sa Europe ng GS..Maganda ang ratings at reviews sa kanya.

Thanks for the info... were planning to have 1 and just wanna make sure they don't manufactured here...

**kjcc0012** · December 30th, 2009 01:55 AM

I jst wanna react to scharnhorst

1st issue
Sir. BOSCH CRDI system inadopt po ng HYUNDAI/KIA/FORD/NISSAN
kia po gnun kalalakas mga makina nilang diesel. yung navara,sta.fe, GS, basta lhat ng diesel na crdi nila bosch ang crdi fuel system nila.kung ang sinasabi nio po eh yung sa crdi from us, europe eh most of them bosch fuel system and inadopt nila na inadopt din po ng MAN,VW,etc. ang alam ko lng na nag denso eh yung toyota, isuzu at mitsubishi.

2nd issue
yung point ko dun sa sta.fe eh mantakin mo nmn ang 2.2 engine lng ang sta.fe 150 n kgd ang naiproproduce na horsepower. sa torque ksi cla nagkatalo ng fortuner pti sa body weight.base po yun sa experience ko na pumapalo ang mga bosch crdi ng 200kph compared sa mga denso na hirap na sa 180kph eh ang lalaki ng mga makina nila compared sa mga mas maliliit na makina.maniniwala b kau na ang mga carens na 2.0 lng ang makina 140ps ang kaya iproduce compared sa innova na 2.5 pero 102ps lng ang kayang ibuga.

**kjcc0012** · December 30th, 2009 02:10 AM

eto pa po. sir scharnhorst

compare nio po ito.

DENSO(Japan)
TOYOTA LAND CRUISER
4.5 engine
V8
CRDI Twin turbo Intercooler engine
282ps

BOSCH (Germany)
HYUNDAI VERA CRUZ
3.0 engine lang
V6 lng
CRDI
240ps na kagad

sa laki ng makina ng LC 4.8 tpos V8 pa
tpos twin pa ang intercooler

dpat milya2 ang lau ng horsepower nila.

eh yung vera cruz 3.0 lng tpos V6 lng pero 40ps lng ang difference las konti pa ang difference ng GS na crdi against sa hiace na 68ps.

im sure kaya pang unahan ng veracruz ang LC kc mabigat ang katawan ng LC.

**s_quilicot** · December 30th, 2009 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by kjcc0012

I jst wanna react to scharnhorst

1st issue
Sir. BOSCH CRDI system inadopt po ng HYUNDAI/KIA/FORD/NISSAN
kia po gnun kalalakas mga makina nilang diesel. yung navara,sta.fe, GS, basta lhat ng diesel na crdi nila bosch ang crdi fuel system nila.kung ang sinasabi nio po eh yung sa crdi from us, europe eh most of them bosch fuel system and inadopt nila na inadopt din po ng MAN,VW,etc. ang alam ko lng na nag denso eh yung toyota, isuzu at mitsubishi.

2nd issue
yung point ko dun sa sta.fe eh mantakin mo nmn ang 2.2 engine lng ang sta.fe 150 n kgd ang naiproproduce na horsepower. sa torque ksi cla nagkatalo ng fortuner pti sa body weight.base po yun sa experience ko na pumapalo ang mga bosch crdi ng 200kph compared sa mga denso na hirap na sa 180kph eh ang lalaki ng mga makina nila compared sa mga mas maliliit na makina.maniniwala b kau na ang mga carens na 2.0 lng ang makina 140ps ang kaya iproduce compared sa innova na 2.5 pero 102ps lng ang kayang ibuga.

Originally Posted by kjcc0012

eto pa po. sir scharnhorst

compare nio po ito.

DENSO(Japan)
TOYOTA LAND CRUISER
4.5 engine
V8
CRDI Twin turbo Intercooler engine
282ps

BOSCH (Germany)
HYUNDAI VERA CRUZ
3.0 engine lang
V6 lng
CRDI
240ps na kagad

sa laki ng makina ng LC 4.8 tpos V8 pa
tpos twin pa ang intercooler

dpat milya2 ang lau ng horsepower nila.

eh yung vera cruz 3.0 lng tpos V6 lng pero 40ps lng ang difference las konti pa ang difference ng GS na crdi against sa hiace na 68ps.

im sure kaya pang unahan ng veracruz ang LC kc mabigat ang katawan ng LC.

Ok. Pero sana hindi ka nag type sa SMS/Text format.

1st point: Nakakahilo basahin.

2nd point: Bawal po yan dito sa tsikot.com forums. Kindly read the rules first.

**scharnhorst** · December 30th, 2009 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by kjcc0012

eto pa po. sir scharnhorst

compare nio po ito.

DENSO(Japan)
TOYOTA LAND CRUISER
4.5 engine
V8
CRDI Twin turbo Intercooler engine
282ps

BOSCH (Germany)
HYUNDAI VERA CRUZ
3.0 engine lang
V6 lng
CRDI
240ps na kagad

You fail to look at the more relevant feature of diesel engines.

The 3 liter v6 on the veracruz has these figures...
Maximum power 240.3 PS (237.0 bhp) (176.7 kW) * 3800 rpm

Maximum torque 450.0 Nm (332 ft·lb) (45.9 kgm) * 1750-3500 rpm

the 4.5 litre 1VD-FTV on the land cruiser on the other hand...
Maximum power 285.9 PS (282.0 bhp) (210.3 kW) * 3600 rpm

Maximum torque 650.0 Nm (479 ft·lb) (66.3 kgm) * 1600-2800 rpm

650?! That's enough to move a mountain. And if you're doubting its capacity to move a huge vehicle as the Land Cruiser, know that this is ALMOST DOUBLE the torque rating of the 5.4 liter v8 found on the massive Ford Expy.

the 200 Nm difference in torque isn't something to laugh at either. That's more than what most 2.5 liter pre-CRDi diesel engines can put out

besides, both maximum power and torque comes earlier for the landcruiser.

Sir, there is no replacement for displacement when it comes to torque. And this is what matters in real life, not horsepower (lalabas lang to kung gusto mong mangarera sa SCTEX). Just ask any diesel vehicle owner her in tsikot.

Regarding the "only 102 hp" on the 2.5 liter D-4D found on the IMV platform, take into account that this is a low pressure turbo without an intercooler.

Denso, Bosch... etc. etc. the technologies are there. But car manufacturers tune or detune engines to their needs