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  1. Join Date
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    #111
    Parehong masikip ang seating configuration Urvan at Hi-Ace (Entry level). Mas malakas nga lang ang makina ng Toyota.

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    #112
    tnanong q ung sales agent ng nissan, chain dw gamit dun sa urvan eh... nwei mas maingay pa din at mvibrate isuzus kc they are true truck based..definitely hndi ang urban.. hi-ace/urban-Medium duty lang yan!! pero ms mlamig ang aircon ng hi-ace khit 18pax kumpara sa urban na parang blower lng.. tama ang cnabi d2 na 12-15 lng dpat max pax ng urban..kc hraap na ung aircon pg 18px..

    sa 22o lng, hndi kayang tapatan o lalo na higitan ng nissan ang ISUZU... isuzu is num1 in truck making segment(khit ung nissan diesel na separate entity ng nissan eh panis pa rin), num1 diesel engine producer... so kumbaga pag pang medium business/medium duty ppuwede na cgro yang urban o hi-ace.. but for pure blooded hauler with people + gamit = ISUZU na...

    ung flexi-truck ng isuzu= 2325 kg payload(max pax of 23 people); ung i-van 2200kg + payload(16-18-20) seat configuration..pero i tink kung ssgarin nla pwde umabot ng 23-25 pax capacity kc mas mhaba ung i-van ng isuzu kesa sa urban at hi ace.. e ung urban at hi ace, medium nlng un kc tig-1600 kg payload lng cla....

    maaring ttgal din yang urban gaya ng isuzus pero medium category nlng yan..ung mga isuzu pang heavy duty...

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    #113
    Quote Originally Posted by mondragon View Post
    tnanong q ung sales agent ng nissan, chain dw gamit dun sa urvan eh... nwei mas maingay pa din at mvibrate isuzus kc they are true truck based..definitely hndi ang urban.. hi-ace/urban-Medium duty lang yan!! pero ms mlamig ang aircon ng hi-ace khit 18pax kumpara sa urban na parang blower lng.. tama ang cnabi d2 na 12-15 lng dpat max pax ng urban..kc hraap na ung aircon pg 18px..

    sa 22o lng, hndi kayang tapatan o lalo na higitan ng nissan ang ISUZU... isuzu is num1 in truck making segment(khit ung nissan diesel na separate entity ng nissan eh panis pa rin), num1 diesel engine producer... so kumbaga pag pang medium business/medium duty ppuwede na cgro yang urban o hi-ace.. but for pure blooded hauler with people + gamit = ISUZU na...

    ung flexi-truck ng isuzu= 2325 kg payload(max pax of 23 people); ung i-van 2200kg + payload(16-18-20) seat configuration..pero i tink kung ssgarin nla pwde umabot ng 23-25 pax capacity kc mas mhaba ung i-van ng isuzu kesa sa urban at hi ace.. e ung urban at hi ace, medium nlng un kc tig-1600 kg payload lng cla....

    maaring ttgal din yang urban gaya ng isuzus pero medium category nlng yan..ung mga isuzu pang heavy duty...
    Can you please type in proper english or tagalog? It's such a chore to read this type of post.

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    #114
    I just test drove the Isuzu i-Van.

    If you just need to haul bodies or stuff, ok na ito. Yung tipong mga hindi mo naman kilala o kamag-anak ang sakay mo. And hindi mo naman personal na sasakyan at ipapa-drive mo lang sa driver, pwede na din. Otherwise, I'd look at something else.

    First off, Isuzu can boast all day about their 'legendary engines' but at the end of the day a 4JB1-TC engine is still a 91 horsepower pick up truck engine forced into a truck body and forced to carry all the weight. Acceleration is slow to say the least and you can barely crack 120kph. I'm not expecting a sports car but I wasn't expecting it to be so slow either. The engine is heavily taxed and on long trips, you will be rowing through the gears like a mad man to keep the engine within the power band.

    And yes, there's that shifter. It's so notchy I thought I was rowing through a bowl of rocks. But I can live with it, not just very comfortably.

    The ride is what you'd expect from having four rock hard leaf springs on all four corners - very bouncy. Bring your Bonamine for the rear passengers. Bumps that a Hiace or Urvan can easily take results in a crash boom bang concert in the i-Van. Isuzu recommends very soft tire pressure for the front to soften up the ride as well as using Bridgestone Dueler light truck tires on alloy rims instead of heavy duty truck tires on steel rims. I guess it helps, but you cannot hide the primitive underpinnings of the truck. As a cargo truck, it works well enough, but it seems ill fitted for people carrier duty.

    And speaking of primitive, I wouldn't trust anything with 4 wheel drum brakes! At highway speeds, stopping distances are very long and there's no pedal feel to speak of. The pedal just reaches the floor and you pray that you don't hit the vehicle in front. It may work for city speeds but after repeated stops from highway speeds, the brakes have already faded (weakness of drum brakes since they are unable to dissipate heat fast enough like disc brakes) to the point of being dangerous. Isuzu NHR trucks can be had with disc brakes in other markets, why can't we have them, too? And yes, I can here some Isuzu fanboys now arguing that even 10 wheelers and semi-trailers have drum brakes and can stop. Yes they can stop because the are using air brakes (doesn't boil over like hydraulic systems) and they have extremely huge drums with a large friction surface area. But still, more advanced trucks in other markets are already switching over to discs.

    The truck handles nervously at speeds above 100kph. A combination of being slab sided and having a primitive suspension set up. Constant corrections are required to maintain a straight path.

    And how is the rest of the vehicle? The conversion from cargo truck to van seems to be poorly executed. The vinyl trim feels cheap and there are a lot of glue marks and oversprays on the trim. The ceiling is interrupted by a bare metal bow and the front edge of the headliner is held up with nothing but the sunvisors! The rear a/c vents aren't even lined up squarely. The right rear swing door has scratches on its door jamb from grinding with the door opening. The rear door panel made up of fiberglass and feels very cheap. On the unit I tested, the screws are exposed and the door pocket has been cracked already (the unit had less than 1500kms on the odo). Also when the swing door is closed, I can see sunlight entering the lower edges. The lift up tailgate, considering how tall the truck is, doesn't even lift up high enough to clear my head when I'm loading stuff. The struts (a German brand) seem to be too short for the job.

    Up front the Isuzu cabin is pleasant enough. A tilt and telescope steering wheel is a nice feature. As well as a standard tachometer. The Sony Xplod head unit has an aux-in port also and the a/c is very effective. The rear a/c control is also up front so rear passengers have no control over the system. And speaking of rear a/c, an unattractive mesh grill mars the rear quarter panel to accommodate the low mounted rear a/c evaporator.

    In the engine compartment, you need to go under the vehicle to access and check the air cleaner (just like the Urvan) and because the coolant jug used to rest behind the truck cab, Isuzu simply deleted it. So I guess the radiator just dumps the coolant on the road as the system boils over? Which is kind of dumb on a modern vehicle.

    Some photos:

    "Proudly Built by Isuzu"


    Why don't you just change the oil and oil filter at the same time?


    Even Isuzu is not sure how much oil to put into their own engine. hehehe


    Engine compartment with add-on Sanden A/C


    Front wheel drum brakes. Bridgestone tires. Alloy wheels. They didn't even bother to change the lug nuts to something more matched to the alloys.

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    #115
    Whoa~ Looks like I can just get a surplus Elf with a 4HF1-T engine and front disc brakes with ABS and let the conversion boys in Subic custom make the body and it'll turn out much better than the i-Van.

    But then maybe this can turn out to be a new challenge for car customizers like Atoy. And then in the engine department, I suppose you can crank up the turbo boost for more power?

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    #116
    I'd upgrade the brakes first, I guess. I've had my share of slow cars but most of them can stop well enough from speed. hehe.

    More photos:

    Rear a/c evaporator and aux fan in quarter panel. Mesh screen is already dented and distorted.


    The headliner just ends. No trim to finish it off. Just cover it up by folding the sunvisor. Wow.


    There is vinyl and glue overlap. And the door literally scratches itself in normal use.


    Fiberglass door panel. Cheap looking with auto self destruct function. Note the exposed mounting hardware.


    Exposed steel beam above driver's head. The vinyl trim has lots of glue marks and finger prints.


    Sitting in the cockpit.

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    #117
    So are you still gonna get these for your ambulance fleet? After looking into your review, it makes the Foton View very modern and luxurious in the process.

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    #118
    possible po ba na gawing passenger van ang hyundai starex?
    magaganda kasi yung mga 2nd hand na nasa mindanao ave.

    kasi kesa bumili ng brand new na isang urvan or hi ace, dalawa na yung mabibili mong starex.

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    #119
    You mean the Korean surplus for GT Express service? Pwede naman siguro since they were just imported from Korea and registered recently so they have a long service life ahead of them. And I'm pretty sure people will prefer the Starex as compared to the ubiquitous Urvans, Crosswinds and Hiaces since alam naman ng lahat na comfortable yung Starex. Just make sure that yung kinuha mong unit ay talagang maganda at hindi lang mukhang maganda because many of these Korean surplus ay laspag na talaga before disposing of to other countries. Pinakasulit is to get the long wheelbase turbo intercooler variant with manual transmission para makatipid ka sa krudo at mas marami ang masasakyan.

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    #120
    khit kelan di kayang pantayan ng nissan ang isuzu sa pggiging heavy duty kahit ung nissan diesel na yan.. isuzu pa rin top sa pgging heavy duty... #1 truck maker(obvious naman sa mkkita mo sa kalsada anu pinakamarami?db isuzu?, #1 diesel engine producer... mga nilumang makina ng elf nasa mga jeepneys.. mgsurvey k sa mga makina ng jeepney ilang gumagamit ng isuzu,mitsu,hundai,nissan.. i bet isuzu pinakamadami jan... may marine at industrial engines ang isuzu bukod sa commercial vehicle engines... mas nauna pa ang isuzu kesa sa mitsu sa pag gawa ng diesel engines ha.... ilang million ang npproduce ng isuzu na diesel engines kada taon... kahit sa mga hitachi gumagawa din cla dun... nkagawa n din cla ng engines sa suzuki, honda, mazda..

    sayang lang di ata na2loy collaboration ng toyota sa isuzu.. cnu ti-nap nila na mkktulong sa pgdevelop ng diesel?Nissan ba?definitely no!!,mitsu ba?hndi din.... ISUZU lang.. kasi they too believe na #1 truck maker ang isuzu.. san ka pa

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