2013 AT - Montero 4x4 vs Santa Fe 4x2 vs Chevrolet Trailblazer 4x4

[SiRbossR]

I really like this Trailblazer!

[renzo_d10]

I really like this Trailblazer!

Yup. It looks more upscale than its competitors, sans the new Santa Fe.

Mags nalang kulang dito sa Trailblazer. The stock seems a bit too small for its size.

[sleepy]

Pwede bang malaman specifically ano mga naging problema mo sa Montero? Product defects ba o dealer/service center issue? Thanks.

!month pa lang yung unit namin noon at umiilaw ang check engine, ang diagnose ng Casa eh marumi daw yung diesel or may tubig na nadetect at kailangan ibaba kaagad ang fuel tank. Di daw sagot ng warranty at sinisi pa nila yung Petron(yung prominent sa north fairview Atherton na hindi naman binabaha). Nadissapoint lang ako sa fuel filter ng Montero P2,600 pero nalulusutan ng tubig at dirty diesel. Imagine ibaba kaagad yung tank ng bagong bili mo na sasakyan. Tapos may ginawa yung casa para kahit euro 2 na diesel ang ikarga mo eh ok lang, ang kaso kumupad naman yung sasakyan. Alam yan ng ibang naka montero at strada na naka experience. Some of them are not forumers of tsikot.

[d_mac]

!month pa lang yung unit namin noon at umiilaw ang check engine, ang diagnose ng Casa eh marumi daw yung diesel or may tubig na nadetect at kailangan ibaba kaagad ang fuel tank. Di daw sagot ng warranty at sinisi pa nila yung Petron(yung prominent sa north fairview Atherton na hindi naman binabaha). Nadissapoint lang ako sa fuel filter ng Montero P2,600 pero nalulusutan ng tubig at dirty diesel. Imagine ibaba kaagad yung tank ng bagong bili mo na sasakyan. Tapos may ginawa yung casa para kahit euro 2 na diesel ang ikarga mo eh ok lang, ang kaso kumupad naman yung sasakyan. Alam yan ng ibang naka montero at strada na naka experience. Some of them are not forumers of tsikot.

Honesty is the best policy ;)

.... KUDOS sa iyo chief for sharing what is your true and downright experience about your ride, even if it means you have an attachment to it, like anyone of us do have anyway with each of our own respective brand of rides....

Hiding the truth from someone, especially moreso if he's just enquiring which car is to pick from his list of choices, is not helping him at all make the best purchase he deserves....

Cheers!

[Egan101]

I have been following this thread for a while and I was quite impressed with the Trailblazer specs. Sadly though, the lower end (MT) model does not have all the features the 4x4 (6AT) model has. Chevy PH now has all specs listed in their site.

Chevrolet Philippines - Specifications

[arsen]

Just a brief chief,

If you wish a relatively NEW ENGINE, get the all-new Chevrolet Trailblazer. In comparison, the Fortuner 3.0 D-4D engine is a 2001 base model powerplant, while the Fortuner 2.5 D-4D engine is a 2004 design, the Alterra 3.0 Ddi-iTEQ engine is also a 2004 base model powerplant, the current Philippine-issue Everest 3.0 TDCi comes with a 2007 base model powerplant from Mazda, while the Monterosport 2.5 Di-D non- VGT and GT-V engine is an old 1986 base model powerplant that was mated with an intercooler, a common-rail, an EGR, and series of different turbochargers over a period of 3 decades. While a lot of them smoke less visually to even nil, the Monetrosport's engine billows out the most smoke from time to time, which is much more so pronounced when one presses suddenly the accelerator pedal.

If you wish to have the SAFEST mid-size SUV of the bunch, get the Chevrolet Trailblazer as this SUV, just like its pickup-variant, the Colorado, has the highest safety rating for passengers in an event of severe collision or impact.

Cheers!

This is also relatively NEW... google these keywords : The 2.8 L VM Motori turbodiesel is offered as options outside of U.S. as it does not satisfy the U.S. emission control standards

Seems like a large purchase order/shipment from Italy was denied entry in the US. It was abandoned somewhere in the west-coast (maybe near the San Diego Port?) then the north equatorial ocean current of the Pacific simply drift the ship further west of the US. After few years, the ship managed to cross the Pacific Ocean and landed Southeast of Asia.

Since the shipment just arrived so it is considered/treated as NEW. If it was not there yesterday or even seconds ago... of course its NEW...

[glenn_duke]

!month pa lang yung unit namin noon at umiilaw ang check engine, ang diagnose ng Casa eh marumi daw yung diesel or may tubig na nadetect at kailangan ibaba kaagad ang fuel tank. Di daw sagot ng warranty at sinisi pa nila yung Petron(yung prominent sa north fairview Atherton na hindi naman binabaha). Nadissapoint lang ako sa fuel filter ng Montero P2,600 pero nalulusutan ng tubig at dirty diesel. Imagine ibaba kaagad yung tank ng bagong bili mo na sasakyan. Tapos may ginawa yung casa para kahit euro 2 na diesel ang ikarga mo eh ok lang, ang kaso kumupad naman yung sasakyan. Alam yan ng ibang naka montero at strada na naka experience. Some of them are not forumers of tsikot.

Sir sleepy, ang adulteration ng diesel ay hindi lang naman sa pag baha nangyayari, kadalasan sa delivery. Kahit hindi binabaha yung fuel shop kung adulterated naman yung na deliver ganun din epekto non. Nabiktima din ng adulterated fuel from refutable shop yung isang sasakyan ko, palit filter at linis fuel tank, pero hindi ko sinisi yung brand ng sasakyan ko, ano ba alam ng sasakyan kung bad fuel yung kinakarga sa kanya. wala namang dila yung fuel lid nya para matikman nya kung okay ba yung kinakarga mo. At wala namang diesel engine ang resistant sa adulterated na fuel, maselan talaga ang mga CRDI sa adulterated fuel. Ano ba dapat ang price ng reliable na fuel filter? Namamahalan ka sa 2,600, considering na every 20t km ang palit nito.
Pag pina adjust mo yung ECU mo sa casa, papipillin ka kung gusto mo ng fuel economy o performance, hindi mo siguro naintindihan.

Wala kanaba iba pang reklamo sa monty mo , tulad ng SUA o yung eye sore dahil sa sobrang dami na sa daan o mau-sok, etc. ?
Siguro pag tagal tagal ma notice mo din yung mga na mention kong normal na reklamo above. .

[ano727]

This is also relatively NEW... google these keywords : The 2.8 L VM Motori turbodiesel is offered as options outside of U.S. as it does not satisfy the U.S. emission control standards

Seems like a large purchase order/shipment from Italy was denied entry in the US. It was abandoned somewhere in the west-coast (maybe near the San Diego Port?) then the north equatorial ocean current of the Pacific simply drift the ship further west of the US. After few years, the ship managed to cross the Pacific Ocean and landed Southeast of Asia.

Since the shipment just arrived so it is considered/treated as NEW. If it was not there yesterday or even seconds ago... of course its NEW...

Hmmmmm... interesting piece of info.

Is it confirmed that this 2.8 L VM Motori turbodiesel refers to the exact same diesel engine used in new Trailblazer? So will this have any problem with Euro 4/5 fuel?

Thanks.

[d_mac]

....double post....

[d_mac]

This is also relatively NEW... google these keywords : The 2.8 L VM Motori turbodiesel is offered as options outside of U.S. as it does not satisfy the U.S. emission control standards

Seems like a large purchase order/shipment from Italy was denied entry in the US. It was abandoned somewhere in the west-coast (maybe near the San Diego Port?) then the north equatorial ocean current of the Pacific simply drift the ship further west of the US. After few years, the ship managed to cross the Pacific Ocean and landed Southeast of Asia.

Since the shipment just arrived so it is considered/treated as NEW. If it was not there yesterday or even seconds ago... of course its NEW....

Haha! Diyan ako bilib sa iyo chief eh, on your total reliance is the Wikipedia again, just like in TopGear PH. Nae-edit mga contents ni Wiki bosing ng kahit sino :hysterical: ....Bakit ko alam, eh dami ko na kayang na-edit at Wiki, concerning dirtbikes pa hehe....

No need to google this, dito ka kasi maki-tsismis: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/10/c...ickup-for-u-s/

....and you'll see it's a different VM Motori or an improved VM Motori powerplant, not the previous year 2007 400-Nm powerplant that Wiki told you so for the all-new global model Chevrolet Colorado that's headed for US (356 lb-ft or 480 Nm torque)....

Dito ka kasi ulit maki-tsismis sa mga official manufacturers website to witch-hunt, not anywhere else chief hehe ---- http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/dettaglio.jsp?id=56

Could it be the RA428 engine, or even so, the mo-betta A428 engine, all Euro 5 emission compliant engines? Don't know, perhaps you know so.... Ask your trusted Wikipedia to provide you the info


Anyway, while you're at Wikipedia, no need to Google this as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Astron_engine

Your vaunted dinosaur-age year 1986 2.5-litre 4D56 engine started from 75 hp.... As years and 3 decades went by, it was mated with the following:

1. Non-intercooled turbo; to
2. Non-intercooled turbo 1st generation; then to
3. Non-intercooled turbo 2nd generation; then to
4. Intercooled turbo non-CRDi (water-cooled); then
5. Intercooled turbo 1st generation Di-D common-rail; then
6. Intercooled turbo 2nd generation Di-D; and most recently
7. Intercooled turbo so-called 3rd generation Di-D with VGT....

AGAIN, from 75 hp to 178 hp (2.4 times more power, or 240%), PUHUNAN ay BOOSTING, not excuses

Chief, sabi mo pala di ba, with conviction pa hehe, kaya binababaan ang compression ratio ng diesel engine para mas compliant sa emission standards, mainly CO2 kamo na, sama na ang NOx, add na rin hydrocarbons.... Bakit pala binaba na ang compression ratio ni dinosaur-age 4D56 from 21.1 : 1 then to 17.1: 1 then down to 16.5 : 1 for the past 3 decades, tinurbo-charged pati ng limpak-limpak pa, bakit mauusok pa rin?

Nakakatawa pati yung mala ratio-and-proportion mo na pinangalanan mo pang Arsen Mhikk equation sa TopGear PH na bakit 178 hp si 4D56 at 200 hp si Santa Fe.... Magandang huwag nalang patulan :hysterical:

Cheers!

[TholitzReloaded]

1. Hyundai Santa Fe
2. Mitsubishi Montero Sport
3. Chevrolet Trailblazer

All new Santa Fe for me... drives like a car daw.

[gvtheogioB]

Chuc mot ngay moi lam viec hieu qua
Cam on da post noi dung hay tren dien dan cua chung toi
Tran trong cam on.

[bjreyesmd]

Sometimes the older engines are the most reliable because it is tried and tested. For new engines, you need a couple of years to check its reliability

[vinj]

Sometimes the older engines are the most reliable because it is tried and tested. For new engines, you need a couple of years to check its reliability

I agree here. That's also the reason why i prefer purchasing vehicles that have undergone a midlife cycle update as chances are issues that first came out are usually addressed.

[beni23]

Haha! Diyan ako bilib sa iyo chief eh, on your total reliance is the Wikipedia again, just like in TopGear PH. Nae-edit mga contents ni Wiki bosing ng kahit sino :hysterical: ....Bakit ko alam, eh dami ko na kayang na-edit at Wiki, concerning dirtbikes pa hehe....

No need to google this, dito ka kasi maki-tsismis: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/10/c...ickup-for-u-s/

....and you'll see it's a different VM Motori or an improved VM Motori powerplant, not the previous year 2007 400-Nm powerplant that Wiki told you so for the all-new global model Chevrolet Colorado that's headed for US (356 lb-ft or 480 Nm torque)....

Dito ka kasi ulit maki-tsismis sa mga official manufacturers website to witch-hunt, not anywhere else chief hehe ---- http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/00/01/dettaglio.jsp?id=56

Could it be the RA428 engine, or even so, the mo-betta A428 engine, all Euro 5 emission compliant engines? Don't know, perhaps you know so.... Ask your trusted Wikipedia to provide you the info


Anyway, while you're at Wikipedia, no need to Google this as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Astron_engine

Your vaunted dinosaur-age year 1986 2.5-litre 4D56 engine started from 75 hp.... As years and 3 decades went by, it was mated with the following:

1. Non-intercooled turbo; to
2. Non-intercooled turbo 1st generation; then to
3. Non-intercooled turbo 2nd generation; then to
4. Intercooled turbo non-CRDi (water-cooled); then
5. Intercooled turbo 1st generation Di-D common-rail; then
6. Intercooled turbo 2nd generation Di-D; and most recently
7. Intercooled turbo so-called 3rd generation Di-D with VGT....

AGAIN, from 75 hp to 178 hp (2.4 times more power, or 240%), PUHUNAN ay BOOSTING, not excuses

Chief, sabi mo pala di ba, with conviction pa hehe, kaya binababaan ang compression ratio ng diesel engine para mas compliant sa emission standards, mainly CO2 kamo na, sama na ang NOx, add na rin hydrocarbons.... Bakit pala binaba na ang compression ratio ni dinosaur-age 4D56 from 21.1 : 1 then to 17.1: 1 then down to 16.5 : 1 for the past 3 decades, tinurbo-charged pati ng limpak-limpak pa, bakit mauusok pa rin?

Nakakatawa pati yung mala ratio-and-proportion mo na pinangalanan mo pang Arsen Mhikk equation sa TopGear PH na bakit 178 hp si 4D56 at 200 hp si Santa Fe.... Magandang huwag nalang patulan :hysterical:

Cheers!

May galit ka ata sa mitsubishi, siguro di ka nila tinanggap nung nagaapply ka dun as janitor no? Kawawang nilalang. Tsk.

Just to get things right, ang sinasabi mong newer engines ng ford vs mitsubishi engine eh yung 2008 ranger at 2010 everest namin pagdating ng 2500rpm eh sobrang mausok na. I know, kasi kapag tumatakbo ako ng ganun nakikita ko sa rearview mirror at naiilawan ng mga nasa likod. Versus our Strada na sinasabi mong 1986 engine eh bakit kahit pinipiga ko walang lumalabas na usok? Again, sa amin itong mga sasakyan na ito, at hindi lang sa nabasa ko to thru the internet na katulad mo. Kawawa ka talaga, wala kang friends.

And to add, idle palang ng dalawang ford namin may white smoke na while on the strada walang visible smoke. Yan ba ang 1986 engine na sinasabi mo? Eh ang dmax mo? Hahahaha

[d_mac]

Chuc mot ngay moi lam viec hieu qua
Cam on da post noi dung hay tren dien dan cua chung toi
Tran trong cam on.

Chuc Mung Giang Sinh vui ve va Chuc Mung Nam Oi em

Ban co noi tieng Anh khong? Jeeze, ten tieng Viet cua toi xau.... Can thuc hanh ting Viet!

Welcome to Tsikot Philippines em oi!

Cheers!

[SiRbossR]

May galit ka ata sa mitsubishi, siguro di ka nila tinanggap nung nagaapply ka dun as janitor no? Kawawang nilalang. Tsk.

Just to get things right, ang sinasabi mong newer engines ng ford vs mitsubishi engine eh yung 2008 ranger at 2010 everest namin pagdating ng 2500rpm eh sobrang mausok na. I know, kasi kapag tumatakbo ako ng ganun nakikita ko sa rearview mirror at naiilawan ng mga nasa likod. Versus our Strada na sinasabi mong 1986 engine eh bakit kahit pinipiga ko walang lumalabas na usok? Again, sa amin itong mga sasakyan na ito, at hindi lang sa nabasa ko to thru the internet na katulad mo. Kawawa ka talaga, wala kang friends.

And to add, idle palang ng dalawang ford namin may white smoke na while on the strada walang visible smoke. Yan ba ang 1986 engine na sinasabi mo? Eh ang dmax mo? Hahahaha

I think you should get your cars checked, cause im not experiencing those smoking problems with my fords and nor does the people whom i know that owns one.

[beni23]

I think you should get your cars checked, cause im not experiencing those smoking problems with my fords and nor does the people whom i know that owns one.

With regular maintenance, 5k PMS and 10k PMS. Our everest is due for 30k PMS, I will have it checked.

[d_mac]

I think you should get your cars checked, cause im not experiencing those smoking problems with my fords and nor does the people whom i know that owns one.

With regular maintenance, 5k PMS and 10k PMS. Our everest is due for 30k PMS, I will have it checked.

Nagsisinungaling lang si idol bosing Beni23.... Ang totoo mausok ang 4D56 niya na may namumulang GT-V na emblem

Hayaan mo boss Beni23, sasagutin ko yung post mo, busy lang tayo at ngaun idol ;)

Cheers!

[bjreyesmd]

I think not all 4D56 ay mausok. I for one has a gls-v, and initially, medyo may usok siya. When I changed to euroIV diesel nawala sya and no problems since