lightning lab or jbl speakers (separates)

[seven6red]

^^There..I hope this would clarify matters regarding what a rebrand is.

[jhnkvn]

Yep. K.I.L.L si correct.

For one, I didn't equate it with fake goods.. I simply called it a rebrand. Yun nakakatawa dito, ako pa daw hindi may alam kung ano meaning ng rebranded

When did I say products made in China are useless? I simply stated sa first post ko dito that LL is a China-rebrand and JBL, as part of the larger Harman Group, will win out in brand power.

Feel ko nakikipagargue ako sa di nagaral. It'll be ironic if I said no offense pero I keep on saying the exact thing and you still don't get it. Binigyan na nga ng fifteen (15) examples - not just one example.. but fifteen!

As much as I do admire the tricycles with 105,000php setups, tricycles sila. Looks like people there have a very bad sense of investment for me.

Straight Cerwin Vega, cool! Is it a Stroker? Pwede ko ba bilhin? I won't call the CV cheap.. why should I? I like their old-school Strokers.. but I'll call the tricycle cheap. Yep.. since it's a tricycle.

Parang ganito lang kasi yun analogy. Let's say you're a person with a net worth of Php1 million and you're an owner of a Lamborghini. I won't call the Lamborghini cheap.. but I'll say that the person IS cheap because he's buying things that aren't really value-adding. Just some life advice: it's how the poor becomes poor... so, boss, don't go that route since it's not just bad taste.. it's bad for your finances.

Uhh... bakit naman nasama si Google dito? Ano correlation ng Google sa pagyayabang? If I had to Google each and every one ng post ko dito sa Car Audio section ng Tsikot, ang dami kong oras kung ganun, boss.

Ay, hindi ba umabot yun isang amplifier? Sorry boss.. ede gawin natin dalawa . Madami pa akong pieces sa kotse ko as spare.. For example.. di pa included speakers ko.. or processors.. woodworking expenses.. wiring, etc.

So boss, alam mo na ba kung bakit ang Targa ay matigas bumayo tapos ang Manix malambot bumayo? Wala pa rin kasi ako nakikitang sagot para malaman naman ng mga fellow forumers natin kung bakit at makatulong tayo sa edukasyon nila abot sa car audio.

Hindi naman mahirap tanong ko... 12 years na ka installer diba? Dapat mabilis nalang ito! Gusto mo ba ng hint? tips maybe? Hehehehe...

Don't flaunt the 12 year installer/experience/karpintero flag since if that's your profession.. konting naawa ako as I do this as a hobby. How did I start? Just like everybody else -- walang alam.. pero nagtatanong at natututo and since there were people kind enough to teach me dati, I give back by teaching others.

I don't like flaunting my equipment. Both the equipment and cost. That's why I don't usually join competitions. Why should I? Like I said.. it's for self-satisfaction. But if you'll taunt me na "natalo ka lang sa LL dati kaya sinisiraan mo sila", now that's a whole different ball game.

To correct you there.. fact is, it's also almost impossible that I'll be fighting LL sa category na sinasali ko. I compete under EMMA Philippines' SQ Advanced Unlimited category.

Unfortunately, yun mga kalaban ko usually mga big-pockets customers or installer cars that ranges Php250,000 upwards as minimum. Lightning Lab isn't even an option on our category. Gamitin namin yan at papagtawan kami.. Hell.. tignan mo competitors ko.. most expensive award if I remember still goes to Mike's Subaru Forester with a cool Php 2million worth of Bewith stuff inside back in EMMA 2012.

So please.. raise your standards, read more, learn more, and be a better installer.

Since 12 years mo? Is kinda useless if you don't progress.

[NMuranoZ51]

Wala na ko masabi kung hindi basahin padin thread na to kung may nagaaway paba o wala LOL


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[JasLi Art]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

A bit incorrect, red.

Example: Bumili si LL ng JBL speaker. Tinanggal nya yung JBL logo, pinalitan nya ng LL logo bago ibenta. that's Rebranding.

To be a rebrand, you need to be outsourcing your speakers to a generic mass-manufacturing speaker company then you relabel.

If you buy a JBL speaker, tinangal mo yun logo and change it with a logo of your choice then you resell it.. tawag na dyan is a fake or counterfeit.

The reasons for this is because JBL has numerous patents on their speakers and simply rebranding those means copyright infringement.

Once you know it's a copy of a known product, it's already called a counterfeit.

Parang bags lang yan.. let me give you an analogy.



Let's say you have a Louis Vuitton bag. You know it's an LV bag kasi.. well.. design and logo palang alam mo na LV siya.

Let's also say you managed to change the LV with the Louis Vuitton logo. Since ayaw mo ng LV.. ginawa mo MV.. for Michael V but everything else remains the same except the logo.

What you have there is a fake good. You aren't rebranding.. it's a copy because LV's has patents sa design and logo imprints ng bag niya.. and that constitutes its brand identity. Even if you change the LV mini logos of the bag into MV.. you're still liable for counterfeiting and LVMH can sue you for that since what they patent also is the "design".

TAMPERING ang tawag jan sa sinasabi mo hangal!

Noun 1. tampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperlytampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperly
meddling
change of state - the act of changing something into something different in essential characteristics


ano paninindigan mo pa rin ang kahangalan mong rebranding?

binili ko lahat ng produkto mo tapos pinalitan ko ng ibang pangalan at logo
rebranding?
sarili mong produkto pag pinalitan mo ng name or logo ang matatawag mong rebranding!
meaning binuhay mo ulet sa makabagong style or pangalan hay nako
sira na talaga ulo mo
nakalog na yata ng subwoofer mo utak mo brad hahaha boooo!


ano nga ulet? isang ampli mo palang isang buong setup na namin?
wooooaa! lakas ng hangin dito wooaa!
hambog mo palang nakakahawi na ng damuhan nyahahaha!

[jhnkvn]

*sigh* Galing ng utak

At least marunong na mag Dictionary.com

Noun 1. tampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperly
tampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperly
meddling
change of state - the act of changing something into something different in essential characteristics

Problema lang.. nakalimutan niya makita yun synonym. HAHAHAHA

Synonyms
1. interfere.

Tamper | Define Tamper at Dictionary.com

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binuhay mo ulet sa makabagong style or pangalan

Uhhh....

Rebranding is a marketing strategy in which a new name, term, symbol, design, or combination thereof is created for an established brand with the intention of developing a new, differentiated identity in the minds of consumers, investors, and competitors. -Wikipedia.org (Rebranding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Hindi ko na kilangan magtype ng counter-argument .. Wikipedia does it for me

San na ba yun sagot mo sa tanong ko? Di parin makasagot? Naka isang araw na.. mukhang nahihirapan 12 years of experience mo, boss

[JasLi Art]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

*jhnkvn: hahaha.. oo nga pala. i missed that part. di nga pala pwede basta magtanggal na logo lang. reworded..

Rebranded Goods.
Example: Bumili si LL ng generic speaker from an OEM/ODM manufacturer from China, had it labeled with LL logo, tapos ibinenta sa Pinas. that's Rebranding.

joined forces? haha
sige brad magdidikit ka kay rebranding ng pati utak mo maging rebrand narin hahaha


bumili si LL ng speaker from an oem manufacturer from china had it labeled with
LL logo tapos binenta sa pinas thats TAMPERING.

cme on! nagaral ba kayo? siguro naman
or sadyang hindi lang ginagamit ng tama ang utak
hindi po accessories sa ulo yan hahaha

[seven6red]

Bro jasli, are we to assume then that LL has a factory in China?

Marami palang tampered products ang Cd-R King ano? tsk tsk

[jhnkvn]

joined forces? haha
sige brad magdidikit ka kay rebranding ng pati utak mo maging rebrand narin hahaha


bumili si LL ng speaker from an oem manufacturer from china had it labeled with
LL logo tapos binenta sa pinas thats TAMPERING.

cme on! nagaral ba kayo? siguro naman
or sadyang hindi lang ginagamit ng tama ang utak
hindi po accessories sa ulo yan hahaha

Hahaha.. red, pati ikaw nadamay na!

Okay, let's try your logic, so now you're saying that Lightning Lab is now a tamperer. Siya nagsabi nun ha.. hindi ako. All I said is that LL is a rebrander.

Now.. for the tsikoteers here.. ano tingin niyo ang legal ? Somebody who tampers or somebody who rebrands?

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Kung spokesperson ka, you're doing a very bad job at it.

#whatalogic

[JasLi Art]

Bumili ako ng isang kahong SARDINAS tapos pinalitan ko ng label
thats called TAMPERING!

May sarili akong product brand pero gusto ko palitan ng pangalan.
thats what you call it REBRANDING

pagkalinaw linaw na nyan jhnkvn

[jhnkvn]

Bumili ako ng isang kahong SARDINAS tapos pinalitan ko ng label
thats called TAMPERING!

May sarili akong product brand pero gusto ko palitan ng pangalan.
thats what you call it REBRANDING

pagkalinaw linaw na nyan jhnkvn

Bumili ako ng isang daang isda sa open-market. Inilagay ko sila sa isang tin can at binigyan ko sila pangalan ng Mega Sardines. Hindi tawag tampering dyan.. tawag dyan labeling.

Bumili ako ng isang daang speakers kay Guangzhou or <insert any city> Speaker Manufacturing Limited sa kahit anong part ng China. Pina-import ko sa Philippines at itinawag ko siya "Lightning Lab". Tawag doon rebranding.

So you're not exactly good at logic.. not exactly good in saying why a speaker sounds bad or great.. and you have 12-years of experience in building enclosures.

BIGYAN NG JACKET yun KARPINTERO!

Don't worry, okay lang naman mahangin. Since when it comes down to it... I'm still richer than you. Oops. Shouldn't have typed that.

[automot0]

Bumili ako ng isang kahong SARDINAS tapos pinalitan ko ng label
thats called TAMPERING!
Kaso ang aabutin mo niyan pag ginawa mo yan kasi piracy/tampering ang ginawa mo and that is illegal

May sarili akong product brand pero gusto ko palitan ng pangalan.
thats what you call it REBRANDING
pano naging sarili ng LL ang product nila sila ba ang may ari ng planta sa china para masabi na sarili nila yung produkto, kahit sino na may puhunan kaya din mag-order sa manufacturer ng LL speakers sa china at palitan ang pangalan nito sa halip na LL pwede BB

pagkalinaw linaw na nyan jhnkvn

naaliw mo ako sa mga post mo salamat at lumipas ang oras ko at hindi ako naiinip magantay ng uwian

[Ry_Tower]

Asan na BIR 2303 ni LL, jasliart?

[jhnkvn]

Asan na BIR 2303 ni LL, jasliart?

Baka naman tampered 2303 yun ibigay HAHAHAHAHA

[Ry_Tower]

Baka naman tampered 2303 yun ibigay HAHAHAHAHA

Baka naman rebranded este, remanufactured. :hysterical:

[JasLi Art]

*jhnkvn

brad kawawa lang sayo
google kapa!
sa mga tao jan sa paligid mo ka magtanung kug matatawag na rebranding sinasabi mo

ayaw ko makipagusap sa taong puro yabang alam mahina naman utak!

GOOGLE KAPA!

[JasLi Art]

Bro jasli, are we to assume then that LL has a factory in China?

Marami palang tampered products ang Cd-R King ano? tsk tsk

LL mismo may sabi sa china ginagawa yang LL

at si cdr king na hari ng substandard na produt one time use only ika nga
chinese din mayari ng cdr king na yan kaya lahat made in china

[jhnkvn]

LL mismo may sabi sa china ginagawa yang LL

at si cdr king na hari ng substandard na produt one time use only ika nga
chinese din mayari ng cdr king na yan kaya lahat made in china

So lahat ng Made in China ay Chinese na rin mayari.

Shet... ibang klase ka brad. I love your thinking.. galing! HAHAHAHA.

[JasLi Art]

ay bobo nga!

dahil ang tinutukoy ko jan ay lahat ng product ng cdr king
at di lahat ng made china around the world

sealed with bobo logo original!

alam mo brad sinisira mo lang sarili mo dito
kawawa lang sayo! hahahahaha

[jhnkvn]

ay bobo nga!

dahil ang tinutukoy ko jan ay lahat ng product ng cdr king
at di lahat ng made china around the world

sealed with bobo logo original!

alam mo brad sinisira mo lang sarili mo dito
kawawa lang sayo! hahahahaha

Nah, no need to worry about me. Masnagaalala nga ako sayo eh :gayfight:

Tignan natin umikot logic mo ha..

CDR-King = Hari ng sub-standard -> why? -> "because Made in China ang producto".

Tapos sasabihin mo.. "LL mismo may sabi sa china ginagawa yang LL".

English translation: "LL says their products are made in China"

Now you're inferring that Lightning Lab's products are sub-standard because it's Made in China.

Benta lang sobra pare..

Or as they say... "Difference in Class" :naughty2:

*jmpet

Madadamay ka rin na kasabwat din kita mamaya tignan mo bwahaha!

[JasLi Art]

"Bumili ako ng isang daang speakers kay Guangzhou or <insert any city> Speaker Manufacturing Limited sa kahit anong part ng China. Pina-import ko sa Philippines at itinawag ko siya "Lightning Lab". Tawag doon rebranding."




Pusang Gala bobo nga!
tagalog ng rebrand ay palit pangalan or label
kung ikaw mismo original gumawa.

iba gumawa tapos palitan mo ng brand kahit iparehistro mo yan di tatanggapin yan dahil may naunang katulad at pag sinuri yan pwede kapa kasuhan dahil ng tamper ka ng produkto ng iba. hindi mo gawa sasabihin mo sayo dahil pinalitan mo ng pangalan? pirating! tampered!

utak na bugok pag ginamit mo palyado
di gagana concentrate ka nalang sa hambog mo may yabang kana may hangin kapa
nyahahaha

rich my ****in ass punta ka nalang dito sa anabu coastal imus show your yabang
afraid? yabang nalang sa internet wala naman nakakakita sayo dito e hahahaha