"Tamang OC lang" - a newbie's guide to car appearance maintenance

**red_one** · October 24th, 2014 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by llcooljed

Thanks sir monty. Very helpful, nawala lungkot ko.. Hehehe. The moment the detailer told me na wala na daw clearcoat, nasira araw ko eh... There's no paint pigment pa naman everytime i wax my car, so it should be ok..

thanks

confirm ko lang, anong wax ang gamit mo? if carnauba wax or sealant, then hindi pwedeng pang-test yan dahil wala silang abrasive components. cleaner wax or all-in-one, polish, and scratch removers ang options mo.

**llcooljed** · October 24th, 2014 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by red_one

confirm ko lang, anong wax ang gamit mo? if carnauba wax or sealant, then hindi pwedeng pang-test yan dahil wala silang abrasive components. cleaner wax or all-in-one, polish, and scratch removers ang options mo.

Mukang carnauba wax nga lang sir... If ever, pwede ko bang gamitin ang rubbing compound instead of polishing compound pang test?

**red_one** · October 24th, 2014 11:04 AM

^yes, you can use rubbing compound for testing. mas aggressive nga lang siya kaysa polish.

**llcooljed** · October 25th, 2014 01:54 AM

Ayus na sir red_one, confimed, there's still clearcoat.

salamat

**red_one** · October 25th, 2014 09:49 AM

^good to hear that.

**crosswind** · October 29th, 2014 09:23 PM

* bro red_one
since your active in this thread that states that you know alot about
paints and detailing
May I ask you
what's the difference of faded paint and oxidated paint and
how will I know if it's faded or oxidated?

**red_one** · October 30th, 2014 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by crosswind

* bro red_one
since your active in this thread that states that you know alot about
paints and detailing
May I ask you
what's the difference of faded paint and oxidated paint and
how will I know if it's faded or oxidated?

Faded paint looks dull or dim.
Oxidized paint looks dull and cloudy/hazy. Some may also show sign of clear coat failure.

Faded paint and oxidized paint can be fixed by compounding and/or polishing.
Clear coat failure can only be fixed by repainting the panel. The problem is already IN the paint, not only ON the paint surface.

Faded paint. BEFORE and AFTER paint correction:

Oxidized paint. BEFORE and DURING paint correction:

Clear coat failure. Clear coat has turned white and started to flake off:

**crosswind** · October 30th, 2014 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by red_one

Faded paint looks dull or dim.
Oxidized paint looks dull and cloudy/hazy. Some may also show sign of clear coat failure.

Faded paint and oxidized paint can be fixed by compounding and/or polishing.
Clear coat failure can only be fixed by repainting the panel. The problem is already IN the paint, not only ON the paint surface.

Faded paint. BEFORE and AFTER paint correction:

Oxidized paint. BEFORE and DURING paint correction:

Clear coat failure. Clear coat has turned white and started to flake off:

Bro can you I identify if this paint is faded or oxidated

Btw can you see the affected part?

**red_one** · October 30th, 2014 05:35 PM

*crosswind: It is hard to see in the photo as i can see the reflection of the car cover on the paint.

Oxidation is more common to single-stage paint system while clear coat failure is more common to two-stage paint system. Generally, oxidation will cover the whole panel while clear coat failure can either affect small areas or the whole panel.

Causes of clear coat failure:

1. Thin clear coat (wet sanded too far)
2. Frequent sun exposure
3. No protection -- wax/sealant (most common reason)
4. Paint has dried out

Here's a car that shows early stage of clear coat failure. The middle area of the hood is becoming cloudy/hazy but not yet flaking or peeling off.

**monty_GTV** · October 30th, 2014 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by crosswind

Bro can you I identify if this paint is faded or oxidated

Btw can you see the affected part?

i think its not even a case of fading and oxidation, but i see watermarks that already etched on the paint. compounding and polishing/finishing may remedy the problem. i think kaya yan ng M105/M205 combo. an application of sealant after will protect the paint from further damage.